Max's B5 A4 Racecar Build Thread

[Max@034]

Extremely excited to finally get this project going; its been a long time coming.

Many OG Audizine folks will be familiar with this car; it won the 2004 Eurotuner 1.8T Challenge and was owned by an old forum member, audimus ed. It's probably one of the most well used B5 A4's out there, with over 215,000 miles, tons of track time, and even driven briefly by Gary Sheehan at one point. It was purchased by a buddy about a year ago, and we were going to build the car together, but plans changed and we decided recently that I would take on the project by myself. She finally came home yesterday. [:D]

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The car sits basically the way it was back in 2004, with a few minor changes, specifically the gorgeous Casa white paint job and 4 bent valves in the head (2nd or 3rd time this has happened...). She's already pretty dialed and been this way for quite awhile, with an APR Stage 3 complete turbo kit, spherical control arms, Neuspeed bars, Stoptech brakes, Recaro seats, 4:1 diff, and more.

However, I've got a bitttttt more then that planned for her!!!

First order of business is to get the car up and running, which means a complete Supertech valvetrain into the AEB head. Inconel exhaust valves, stainless intake valves, high rate valve springs, and ti retainers are all going in next week. Hopefully add an Integrated Engineering drop-in "factory timed" mild intake camshaft, and we are good up top! Going to keep the shortblock stock for now, since I do not want to build the 058 block; I will begin building an 06A block on the side.

The car will be run on 034EFI standalone engine management system instead of the APR Motronic; specifically a Stage IIc, which gives me incredibly easy tuneability, as well as a host of options needed for racing, such as "Push to Pass" boost control (kills understeer by a huge amount), gear based boost control, anti-lag, flat foot shifting, CAN integration for logging, AIM dash, and much much more.

After the engine is up and running, I will be swapping the 01E 6 speed drivetrain over from my other A4, at which point I will do the rear cage and the interior starts to get pulled in preparation for the front cage, along with battery relocated to the trunk and a complete set of 034Motorsport aluminum subframe bushings and motorsport/track mounts to replace the aging units.

Then comes the most important part of the car, suspension; while it is already outfitted with adjustable control arms front and rear, it is only sitting on a Koni strut/spring combo which is hurting its performance. The car will get either another pair of Ohlins Motorsports, the Ohlins off my S4, or a Performance Shock Inc. rebuilt and revalved set of Koni coilovers with 800/900 Hyperco springs (basically more aggressive Tracksports). I will also be swapping out most of the CPP adjustable control arms and links for our own updated 034Motorsport spherical race control arms, top and bottom, front and rear.

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I currently run 235/40/17 Nitto NT01 DOT-legal tires on some Kosei T1's, but I will be rolling the fenders even more and pulling a bit so that I can fit 245/40/17 NT01 or RA1s (much larger then street tires); I will run the standard 255/40/17 for street tires that I run on all my other B5's. Besides pulling the sunroof, I don't have any body modification plans, since the car has a full S4 body kit and a new paint job. Pains me to know that this will probably get damaged as a track car, but so be it.

The 06A block will have JE 9:1 pistons, 2L crank, IE rods, and may immediately go to a dry sump system. The goal is for a competitive and relatively easy to maintain Time Attack car; there is a pretty vibrant TA scene here in California, and another coworker is doing basically an identical build as me, but 2.0L from the start. We are very lucky to have the 034Motorsport B5 A4 Time Attack race car right here, since it is one of the fastest road-racing B5's in the entire world, and we are both using it as a model and inspiration.

Next year I have the goal of removing all glass as well as some other major weight savings. I want the car under 2750 without full stripping, which shouldn't be a problem considering the 034 Time Attack car sits about there and still has full glass and a very heavy cage. With a bit more planning from the start, I should be able to do a lighter and just as effective design.

I'll be updating this as time goes on and I juggle time with my other project; my single turbo B5 S4.

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The nice pics are all stolen from Ed; I've been to busy to take my own. But the car looks just as good now as it did in the photos. If only I could easily insure it for more, I'd swap my S4 into this chassis and make the race car out of my beatup S4.

[TConklin821]

Car is gorgeous, can't wait to see progress.

[coolgraymemo]

What wheels are those in the first picture? Rotas or Works?

[andyrew]

Very interested in your plans!

Very interested in what you do as far as weight reduction. My car needs to go on a serious diet :)

[howardfootball]

Stunning car! Excited to see the progress!

[A4Rob]

Awesome Max! I will go ahead and move this to the Projects & Builds section.

[Max@034]

Very interested in your plans!

Very interested in what you do as far as weight reduction. My car needs to go on a serious diet :)

It's a give and take with the cage; I want to go as far as I can without dipping and trussing the frame from the very start. I'll probably keep the stock glass this year, but moving to composite can save well over 100 pounds. Besides moving the actual glass, just getting rid of the motor/regulator assembly is significant. The sunroof weighs over 50 pounds and sits at the highest point above the COG of the car. I'll do a carbon roof eventually as well; they are surprisingly less money then I thought, but aren't possibly without the cage fully done since the roof is a load bearing item.

Aluminum uprights, no glass side windows (i'll keep the windshields for awhile), no sunroof, interior gutted, remove A/C, 1 piece driveshaft, my Koseis weigh 15 pounds each, Odyssey race battery in trunk (the weight difference is almost negated by the amount of wire necessary, but it does move weight rearward). The steering column is a big one.

Unfortunately, the other half of the battle is making sure not too much weight is removed from the rear compared to the front; of course, its always easier to ballast to wherever you want.


What wheels are those in the first picture? Rotas or Works?

They are true Work, but unfortunately did not come with the car. =( Car originally came with BBS rims but I traded em for some stockers and a rear roll cage.


Awesome Max! I will go ahead and move this to the Projects & Builds section.

Thanks much, Rob!

[Gumby]

So bad ass. I originally planned on building a track car out of my a4, but I opted to make it a street car after I got it.

Some day I'll have another just for this...

[andyrew]

It's a give and take with the cage; I want to go as far as I can without dipping and trussing the frame from the very start. I'll probably keep the stock glass this year, but moving to composite can save well over 100 pounds. Besides moving the actual glass, just getting rid of the motor/regulator assembly is significant. The sunroof weighs over 50 pounds and sits at the highest point above the COG of the car. I'll do a carbon roof eventually as well; they are surprisingly less money then I thought, but aren't possibly without the cage fully done since the roof is a load bearing item.

Aluminum uprights, no glass side windows (i'll keep the windshields for awhile), no sunroof, interior gutted, remove A/C, 1 piece driveshaft, my Koseis weigh 15 pounds each, Odyssey race battery in trunk (the weight difference is almost negated by the amount of wire necessary, but it does move weight rearward). The steering column is a big one.

Unfortunately, the other half of the battle is making sure not too much weight is removed from the rear compared to the front; of course, its always easier to ballast to wherever you want.



They are true Work, but unfortunately did not come with the car. =( Car originally came with BBS rims but I traded em for some stockers and a rear roll cage.



Thanks much, Rob!

All concerns that I have when I put a plan of action for my potential setup... However I have thoughts of going a little bit more radical with the car and making something like an exoskeleton open cockpit racer..

[michael66899]

Sick, love it Max!

[Max@034]

A big huge thanks to Supertech! This just arrived today;

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We are big Supertech dealer, its what I run on my built S4 motor, and what we love and recommend @ 034Motorsport. Folks can always hit me up for a valvetrain package!

[Max@034]

I feel bad I'll be partially destroying just a beautiful car...

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Old Seats
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New Seats
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[csosnowski]

awesome project max!

whats the details on the original recaros? also, why are you choosing to build a 06A instead of the 058, did I miss the boat on something?

[coolgraymemo]

You should give me those Works.

[A4Rob]

Was the car originally black?

[Gumby]

Ever find out what type of Status seat that is?

[Max@034]

awesome project max!

whats the details on the original recaros? also, why are you choosing to build a 06A instead of the 058, did I miss the boat on something?

The Recaro are Sportster, and I'll probably be selling them soon since I want to find a matching seat for the Status seat.

As far as the 06A vs 058, there are a variety of advantages of the later 06A block. No balance shaft is the main one, no external water pump, etc etc. The balance shaft has to be clearanced for the 2L crank, requires the ABA crank, etc etc. Besides some different coolant and breather hoses, which we make, everything else fits on it.


You should give me those Works.

Hahah, you and everyone else; if they were 17", I'd be all over em, but they are 18's and I only run 17s. I also run the Rota replica's already. But I am going to powdercoat my Kosei white to match the car.


Was the car originally black?

Yes, originally black when it did the Eurotuner challenge. It got hit in the rear or something and then got the new paint job.


Ever find out what type of Status seat that is?

I did. It's a custom Status seat, Tjin Edition; FIA drift. One of a kind. Came out of an R34 Drift Skyline that has a GT42R, pretty famous car, all over the web and the magazines.

pic is from original Tjin Edition owner

http://genetjin.com/blog_pictures/3937_large.jpg

[Max@034]

Quick update:

I am shifting funds from different areas of the car; namely, I am selling off my Stoptech brake kit and my Recaro seats in order to help fund the rest of the car (PM me if you are interested!)

I already have a Boxster BBK kit with race pads that is sufficient for my current needs, and I already have the above Status seats.

Roll cage goes in very soon as well, and the head should be back from the machine shop in a couple weeks.

Still debating whether I want to deal with the trouble of swapping over the entire 01E drivetrain from my other A4; the car currently has an RS4 clutch in good condition and the transmission is shifting fine, but I know once I am 2.0L and putting down 400whp...that things might not be as happy.

I don't care about gear ratios for drag racing; this is a road racing car. I've never owned a powerful enough 1.8T to bust 3rd gear. I will most likely install my SPEC 3+ disc and RS4 PP into the A4 when I reinstall my carbon clutch in my S4. It is holding my 450-500 ft/lbs of torque I've been running around with, so that should be plenty for the A4.

However, the fullsize clutch kits shift so, so, so, so slow.

[viceprp]

Are you planning on running a 30r size turbo? You keeping the Apr hardware or moving on?

[Max@034]

Are you planning on running a 30r size turbo? You keeping the Apr hardware or moving on?

Yes, am going to be running a Precision 5857 turbo; the motor build is basically going to follow our Time Attack A4 build, just maybe without the dry sump to start with.

SPA manifold and downpipe.

The APR Stage 3 kit will be for sale as a whole package, including the inconel manifold. I'd love to keep the manifold but I don't want to be limited by the T-25 flange. For the time being, I'll just be running low boost and keeping the revs low as well, while I build up an 06A block.

Integrated Engineering is helping out, so a big thanks to them! If only they weren't out of their CVA1/A2 cams though!!!!!! [rolleyes]

[nunya]

Quick update:

I am shifting funds from different areas of the car; namely, I am selling off my Stoptech brake kit and my Recaro seats in order to help fund the rest of the car (PM me if you are interested!)

I already have a Boxster BBK kit with race pads that is sufficient for my current needs, and I already have the above Status seats.

Roll cage goes in very soon as well, and the head should be back from the machine shop in a couple weeks.

Still debating whether I want to deal with the trouble of swapping over the entire 01E drivetrain from my other A4; the car currently has an RS4 clutch in good condition and the transmission is shifting fine, but I know once I am 2.0L and putting down 400whp...that things might not be as happy.

I don't care about gear ratios for drag racing; this is a road racing car. I've never owned a powerful enough 1.8T to bust 3rd gear. I will most likely install my SPEC 3+ disc and RS4 PP into the A4 when I reinstall my carbon clutch in my S4. It is holding my 450-500 ft/lbs of torque I've been running around with, so that should be plenty for the A4.

However, the fullsize clutch kits shift so, so, so, so slow.

I could use a good shifting 01A if that helps at all. My 2nd gear syncro is fubar'd under load. I have been eyeing those seats too. Lets talk next time i am up there.

--dillon

[Max@034]

Things ended up looking better then I expected.

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[NeedingAnAudi]

Are you going to remove the mechanical fan?

[belinko]

Hmm, a car after my own heart. Keep up the good work.

Nice to see some B5 A4 track cars popping up. [drive]

I'll be at big willow this weekend. Just got my car back from the alignment shop; -2.1° in the rear, thanks to the 034 rear adjustable CA's.

Maybe I'll see you out at some of the Socal or Audi Club Track events.

DO WORK!

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[Max@034]

Are you going to remove the mechanical fan?

Most definitely; don't need that parasitic loss.


Hmm, a car after my own heart. Keep up the good work.

Nice to see some B5 A4 track cars popping up. [drive]

I'll be at big willow this weekend. Just got my car back from the alignment shop; -2.1° in the rear, thanks to the 034 rear adjustable CA's.

Maybe I'll see you out at some of the Socal or Audi Club Track events.

DO WORK!

Definitely need to get out to Willow Springs; haven't been to any of the SoCal tracks, but we do have 3 great ones so close to home up here. The car will be street legal for awhile I hope. I've currently got full CPP sphericals, but need to change over to 034 stuff!

[JohnCash]

Yo, I was watching a B5 track car on you tube. If I am correct they had a 2.o vr6 in there pushing 450 HP. Wicked ass car, I think it was quattro also. Kinda made rethink VR6 in a B5. I'll post the link.

[JohnCash]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEhHOkmCJO8&feature=related

[viceprp]

They use to run the vr6 car but swapped it out to the 1.8 and beefed it out.

[Max@034]

Yo, I was watching a B5 track car on you tube. If I am correct they had a 2.o vr6 in there pushing 450 HP. Wicked ass car, I think it was quattro also. Kinda made rethink VR6 in a B5. I'll post the link.


They use to run the vr6 car but swapped it out to the 1.8 and beefed it out.

Yes the 034Motorsport B5 A4 Time Attack race car originally had a 24v VR6 turbo motor, but we swapped it out for a 2.0L 06A turbo motor since it saved weight, had better weight distribution (didn't overhang so far forward), and dropped about 1.5 seconds on the track.

My car that I am building here will be following in the same basic footsteps, just slowly iterating towards it.

[Max@034]

Very excited to say that a lot of parts have been sold, and progress is moving forward to build up an 06A right now instead of in the future.

RS4 front fenders have been added to the mod list; going to rock the ghetto RS4 front fender and stock sideskirt rear, since the rear can be made to fit a 265 tire pretty easily. I'd like to fit a 255 r-compound for now, or 265 street. Hopefully pick up the rear quarter panels and doors in the summer time, then run a true 275 r-compound.

Excited to get the 06A in with the 01E and then get this baby running!

[Gumby]

good to hear Max [up]

i'm really excited to watch this thing evolve.

[Sales@RAI]

Max I would look out for those supertech valves. I've seen them ruin a handful of motors

[Max@034]

Max I would look out for those supertech valves. I've seen them ruin a handful of motors

We've had great success with em, they are local to us, we work directly with them, and they helped me out big time on this project.

I run them on my S4, we run them on our GTi-RS and our Time Attack B5 A4. Ran em on our VR6-T that produced 800+ whp and do pretty much every build of ours with them (and that is a LOT of builds). I don't really know of any of our builds that have gone wrong because of the valvetrain.

[Sales@RAI]

We've had great success with em, they are local to us, we work directly with them, and they helped me out big time on this project.

I run them on my S4, we run them on our GTi-RS and our Time Attack B5 A4. Ran em on our VR6-T that produced 800+ whp and do pretty much every build of ours with them (and that is a LOT of builds). I don't really know of any of our builds that have gone wrong because of the valvetrain.

No worries, I've just seen when they are supposed to bend they snap causing all kinds of problems. Happened to 3 separate builds by 3 separate people around here

[jaychen]

No worries, I've just seen when they are supposed to bend they snap causing all kinds of problems. Happened to 3 separate builds by 3 separate people around here

Pretty sure Mike Hood runs them in his 500+whp B5. No problems there either..

[Dan[FN]6262]

Clint use to fanboy the shit out of Supertech valves, until his engine blew up. He convinced me to buy them when I wanted Ferrea valves.

I have 12 bent Supertech valves sitting on my work bench.

There was a dude in the B5 section that had a Ferrea valve just break off at the base of the grooves for the keepers. Destroyed his engine.

I never heard of a Supertech valves doing that.

No big deal, not trying to start anything, just saying.

When shit goes wrong, and valves hit pistons, anything can happen, no matter what you have in there.

[gmx]

He admitted installation fault though Dan (ferrea snapt at the keepers)

[belinko]

RS4 front fenders have been added to the mod list; going to rock the ghetto RS4 front fender and stock sideskirt rear, since the rear can be made to fit a 265 tire pretty easily. I'd like to fit a 255 r-compound for now, or 265 street. Hopefully pick up the rear quarter panels and doors in the summer time, then run a true 275 r-compound.

Excited to get the 06A in with the 01E and then get this baby running!

What are you going to do in the rear to get 265's to fit. I ran a street tire 255/35/18 et+32 with very light rubbing. The sheet metal in the rear looks double walled. Currently running 235/40/18 r-comps. I want to go to 255/35/18 r-comps. With the increased camber it looks plausible.

Why are you going with an 01E?

[Max@034]

What are you going to do in the rear to get 265's to fit. I ran a street tire 255/35/18 et+32 with very light rubbing. The sheet metal in the rear looks double walled. Currently running 235/40/18 r-comps. I want to go to 255/35/18 r-comps. With the increased camber it looks plausible.

Why are you going with an 01E?

255 street tires fit just fine with appropriate track camber and no trimming, just careful placement between the upright and the fender. I tend to run not as wide rims so I can get a better contact patch, which helps fitment (ie, a 255 wide tire on 8" wide rim, versus a 255 tires on a 9" wide rim).

The fact that I also ONLY run 17" wheels makes it easier as well, due to the larger sidewall aspect ratio/height. However, with a 5mm pull and roll and some care taken to flatten it out, 265/35/18 street tires will fit. 17" version will fit even better with a not as wide rim. Finally, this is a race car so I'm not concerned with the aesthetics of it. Although, it will hurt to mess it up since it has a brand new paintjob and perfect body panels. But with the salvage title and all, I need to just look past the perfect exterior and interior.

And I am going with the 01E because of the strength, because I have it, because it needs a rebuild anyways, and because the 01E in our Time Attack car is bloody gorgeous. Cryo and WPC, lots of care taken when built, Allroad 3rd and 4th gear, custom 5th and 6th. 01A just cannot handle more then 400whp in my opinion; at least not continuous beatings and so much time spent in 3rd/4th gear. However, for road racing, I'd say the 01A has better gears stock.

I have a complete 01E drivetrain on my other A4, and I need a 5 speed drivetrain to sell it, which is the other reason I need to put the 01E in this car. I know at some point in the future I would be swapping to an 01E anyways for strength and such. I'll take the sacrifice of slower shifting with the heavier gears.

[Max@034]

Also, if it wasn't clear before, I run 255/40/17 on all my B5's. 8" rim with 35 offset. Only the front needed a little rolling. Same contact patch as a B7 RS4 stock.



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When shit goes wrong, and valves hit pistons, anything can happen, no matter what you have in there.

Exactly. I am also running a Gates racing belt, so unless one of the other components fail (and I religiously replace timing rollers and tensioners), I shouldn't have an issue. If something does go wrong, I'm expecting pretty catastrophic stuff to happen anyways.

[flynnr]

Also, if it wasn't clear before, I run 255/40/17 on all my B5's. 8" rim with 35 offset. Only the front needed a little rolling. Same contact patch as a B7 RS4 stock.

what is your gtf? 255 seems meaty for a b5


(or maybe i just need to step up my game?)

[gmx]

I ran 255 on a 8" wheel until one got punctured.
I wouldn't do it again with street tyres though - way too much flex.

The RS4 runs a 9"wide wheel...

[Raacerx]

what is your gtf? 255 seems meaty for a b5


(or maybe i just need to step up my game?)

Depends on the car, but of course I am not slammed; I am performance minded, I don't care much about aesthetics. The roads I tend to drive are nasty too. I'm about 25.5 or 25.25".

Everyone always cries that 255's are not possible; this is the only size tire we run on B5's here @ 034Motorsport. Extensive track testing with the Time Attack B5 A4 was done before it went widebody, and the 255/40/17 tire on an 8" wide rim was found to be the most ideal. Contact patch is huge.

However, GMX, while there is considerably more sidewall flex then a lower profile tire on a larger rim, this doesn't necessarily equate to better performance; at all. There are a variety of advantages (such as ride quality, the ability to conform to rough road surfaces, more rim protection, and better launching as well), compared to the slight difference in breaking point. A tire with less profile and less squirm will hold more lateral grip, but will release in a much more abrupt way.

We run 275/35/17 on the Time Attack B5, 9.5" rim.

I've tracked the 255/40/17 setup as well as pushing it well beyond the limits, in addition to running a ton of other rim and tire and sidewall combinations. I will ALWAYS run 255/40/17 on narrow body street B5's; the amount of data and back to back comparisons done by 034 in the earlier days is undeniable. I don't expect razor sharp reaction times in a 3700 pound front heavy pig. =)

[flynnr]

nice. ill have to go that route then

[flynnr]

I am more performance oriented as well. i would never 'slam' my car either. I was asking gtf so i could mimic your setup. If you get a chance to take a for sure measurement let me know!

[Max@034]

Right now, I am 25.3" front 25.5" rear.

[NeedingAnAudi]

I ran 255s on 17x8 et35/27 for a while. Only problem I had was turning, because I like being low.

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[Max@034]

Stuff is coming together.

Got a full 06A shortblock. Just need a crank and some pistons, and I am good to go!

Big Thanks to the Integrated Engineering Crew, too! Juiced on my new set of Tuscan rods!

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[SleeperAvant]

Nice, what turbo you going with Max?

[Max@034]

Nice, what turbo you going with Max?

Precision 5857, journal bearing, and a 38mm Tial WG. Probably just do a SPA manifold for the time being or possibly a PSI, and build a tubular manifold next year.

I think for the time being I will also just modify my big port intake manifold (further porting and maybe some horn work), or possibly just reuse the runners and fabricate my own. Either way, I'll run a 65mm throttle body body likely.

[A4Rob]

What throttle body?

[Raacerx]

What throttle body?

Not sure, but I have quite a bit of flexibility with the 034EFI Stage IIc. Probably just use a V6 for now?

Next news is that I decided I'm going to keep these Work Emotion CR Kai wheels. They are so sexy white, and while they aren't 9" or 9.5", I just picked up a whole bunch of Continental Extreme DR race tires (none of that DOT legal crap!) in 245/40/18 so the 8.5" width on the Work's will match the wear pattern on the tires (from our Subaru STi 25 Hour race car).

Next on List: FSI crank

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[AudiForeman]

i just did a little reading through this thread and i approve lol. how do you find the time for all of the things youre involved in?

[NeedingAnAudi]

Precision 5857, journal bearing, and a 38mm Tial WG. Probably just do a SPA manifold for the time being or possibly a PSI, and build a tubular manifold next year.

I think for the time being I will also just modify my big port intake manifold (further porting and maybe some horn work), or possibly just reuse the runners and fabricate my own. Either way, I'll run a 65mm throttle body body likely.

Any possibility you will run the PSI mani? I've been eyeing it for about a year now

[Max@034]

i just did a little reading through this thread and i approve lol. how do you find the time for all of the things youre involved in?

Hah, I have a very understanding girlfriend. [:D]


Any possibility you will run the PSI mani? I've been eyeing it for about a year now

The SPA manifold is in stock and the price is pretty unbeatable, especially with the downpipe. However, the PSI manifold does look nice.

If I was going to be running a MAF element, then I would go for the PSI so I could run our XL turbo inlet hose. But I am MAFless so I do not need a "stock fit" style manifold really.

I'm still trying to figure out what pistons to use. Been trying to go JE since that is what I have on my S4 and my builder knows them well, but might look into trying something else.

[Issam@INA]

Next on List: FSI crank
Max do you *need* the FSI crank? I have a few of the AZG CAST units I could spare for this project.

[Max@034]

Got some more goodies. Hancook race tires not pictured. Continential race take offs.

http://fototime.com/%7B8DE45F90-882B-47D7-BC0E-29A706DAC312%7D/origpict/tiresA.jpg


Max do you *need* the FSI crank? I have a few of the AZG CAST units I could spare for this project.

I don't necessarily "NEED" the forged crank, looks like there are some people are at the power levels I want with the cast unit, but it just seems like a good idea for peace of mind. They certainly are expensive though.

[nunya]

Take those seats out already would ya! :-P

--dillon

[Issam@INA]

I don't necessarily "NEED" the forged crank, looks like there are some people are at the power levels I want with the cast unit, but it just seems like a good idea for peace of mind. They certainly are expensive though.
Send me an email in the morning. Ill show what we got.

[Max@034]

Got some exciting news about pistons! More to come in the near future! This is turning into quite the build, so I think I will be going FSI crank just because I already did premium rods and everything else. The pistons should be a great compliment to this project.

-Max

[SleeperAvant]

Pretty exciting stuff !

[Max@034]

Pistons have arrived, and I am excited.

Big thanks to JE Pistons!

I will be running their FSR (asymmetrical) stroker piston set in my 2.0L. Really excited about them because of their lighter weight (almost 20 grams per piston!!!) and their asymmetrical design, which decreases drag and friction losses on the up stroke of the piston!

82.5mm bore, just under 9.0:1, extra deep valve reliefs for variable valve timing at high rpm with aggressive cams.

With Integrated's Tuscan rodset and JE's new piston design, I am 40 grams lighter per cylinder compared to the traditional H-beam + normal piston style. That's 160 grams in the rotating assembly, which is seriously significant. A quarter pound!

http://fototime.com/%7BB2DB141B-DBE2-4E8D-B03E-663EFD747B0A%7D/origpict/IMG_6344A.jpg

[biglou]

damn , this is just as serious as my car !!! im building a 1997 M3 . My custom pistons are about 83 grams lighter than anyone else on market. good for 2000hp :). also using tuscan rods, IE said they are good for 1400hp on my car, well see lol. this stuff is alot of work and patience :( . how much is your car going to weigh?
good luck with everything !!!

[KMEL65STANG]

Been out of the loop for a sec! Did u pick this up from Gil?! I swear it's the same car when I went to pick up mike's Imola! This is a sick ride bro!

[Max@034]

Been out of the loop for a sec! Did u pick this up from Gil?! I swear it's the same car when I went to pick up mike's Imola! This is a sick ride bro!

Yep. We were going to build it together but he's got other plans now and I wanted to take it on by myself. Decided to keep the Work's too, they are on the S4 right now. =D

Unfortunately, this project is on hold right now while I finish the single turbo S4. My plan is to have the A4 broken in and tuned and ready for track testing in August. I have just about everything I need to get the motor built, and I still need to swap in my 01E 6 speed drivetrain and get some real suspension, but I've got it on full sphericals now.

I'll be learning how to tune on this bad boy too.

[SleeperAvant]

Wow nice, what would a setup like that cost (pistons only)?

[Max@034]

Wow nice, what would a setup like that cost (pistons only)?

The FSR piston set? Depends what bore/stroke/coatings but they aren't too much more then the normal JE pistons.

[SleeperAvant]

Ah, okay.

[silverman]

Are those new JE pistons available in 10:1 ?

And you keep bringing such good info to the table! Good luck with both builds.

[Max@034]

Are those new JE pistons available in 10:1 ?

And you keep bringing such good info to the table! Good luck with both builds.

Most of their pistons are available in custom compression ratios. Are you looking to run only race gas? 10:1 on the 1.8T is pretty aggressive, especially if your head has been decked before.

9.5:1 is great for 93 octane, just can't run quite as much boost but more timing.

[silverman]

In dream land... I plan on running a 2.0, meth and 93 and standalone. I just want more low end for daily driving while being able to bounce off the limiter. I pretty much thought 10:1 would be the highest to go on a "street" motor. This is all a dream but as we all do, I've been researching for 6+ years...Long before I had the car.

[rvca3112]

Any advancements in this project or still with the s4? What's going on with that thing? This thread is what I'm basing my build off of.

[Max@034]

Any advancements in this project or still with the s4? What's going on with that thing? This thread is what I'm basing my build off of.

Yep, unfortunately still with the S4, just trying to get everything finalized for the single turbo kit.

All the parts for the 2.0L are sitting here teasing me, but just no time to start getting a motor built. I really don't want to have the shortblock put together, and then have it sit for a month or two. But at the same time, the girlfriend is getting sick of the car taking up most of our garage...

My first priority is to get the 6 speed drivetrain swapped into the car.

Already have the Stage IIc ECU and the engine harness ready to go.

Once things start moving forward, they should progress very very quickly. Right now I'm trying to decide if I should keep the RS4 clutch for awhile and just hang out around 350whp (dunno if it will hold), or go straight to a Tilton setup. I would like to be able to drive the car on the street for the first year, in case the S4 is being worked on, but the ultimate goal is a race car so I want to skip forward as much as I can.

[Grip99]

Nice build/car, Max!

Cant wait to see this thing run!

-Pete

[morzechowski]

The ultra lightweight JE pistons are so noisy inside the block. The ultra lightweight aspect is awesome, but the noise is so annoying.

[nunya]

Yep, unfortunately still with the S4, just trying to get everything finalized for the single turbo kit.

All the parts for the 2.0L are sitting here teasing me, but just no time to start getting a motor built. I really don't want to have the shortblock put together, and then have it sit for a month or two. But at the same time, the girlfriend is getting sick of the car taking up most of our garage...

My first priority is to get the 6 speed drivetrain swapped into the car.

Already have the Stage IIc ECU and the engine harness ready to go.

Once things start moving forward, they should progress very very quickly. Right now I'm trying to decide if I should keep the RS4 clutch for awhile and just hang out around 350whp (dunno if it will hold), or go straight to a Tilton setup. I would like to be able to drive the car on the street for the first year, in case the S4 is being worked on, but the ultimate goal is a race car so I want to skip forward as much as I can.

I run a Southbend setup max. No issues. Its an OFE SS stage 4, well it was until they changed the names. Now it may be a stage three. Not the easiest to drive but also not an on off switch. I think the new part number is K70205-SS-TZ-SMF, good for 425 ft/lb's. Much cheaper then the tilton setup too. Southbend rebuilt mine for $175 i think.

--dillon

[Max@034]

Nice build/car, Max!

Cant wait to see this thing run!

-Pete

Thanks Pete! I basically forgot about it the last 2 months because of the S4, but now the pistons and rods and bearings and valvetrain and everything else is just staring at me from my sun room...beckoning for me to build it!

The 06A block is ready to go, and the AEB head has already been Stage 2 ported.


The ultra lightweight JE pistons are so noisy inside the block. The ultra lightweight aspect is awesome, but the noise is so annoying.

I consider normal JE pistons to be one of the noisiest pistons out there, but never had any issues with them; they just seem loud. I'm not surprised that the FSR's are even louder, but this is a race car so I'm not concerned about engine noise; I'm sure it will be drowned out by the lack of sound insulation and a short 3.5" side exit exhaust!

Are you running them Mike? Can't remember.


I run a Southbend setup max. No issues. Its an OFE SS stage 4, well it was until they changed the names. Now it may be a stage three. Not the easiest to drive but also not an on off switch. I think the new part number is K70205-SS-TZ-SMF, good for 425 ft/lb's. Much cheaper then the tilton setup too. Southbend rebuilt mine for $175 i think.

--dillon

If it was a Southbend setup, I wouldn't think twice about just wearing it out. But since it is an RS4 pressure plate and I think a pretty basic S4 or Stage 1 or 2 disc, not only do I think the current setup won't hold +400whp, but it's just so so heavy. I really do not want to run a traditional style single disc clutch, specifically because of the weight; not even so much the power. The big huge 240mm discs just take forever to shift, and combined with the 01E, it's just way too slow for a dedicated track car.

I don't mind rough engagement, I used to have a twin disc on my S4, and eventually I'll end up with an iron sintered Tilton twin disc, which is a freaking bear to drive... If i had a proper Southbend in there, I'd deal with the slow shifting for now, but since the current clutch probably won't hold the power AND it is slow as hell, it has me thinking of following my primary motto of "DO IT ONCE, DO IT RIGHT!"

The Tilton is really not that expensive; the clutch itself retails for barely over $1000 (with hardware and billet TOB), leaving only the flywheel. Of course, I wouldn't expect it to last more then 5000 miles, but it should take years to put that kind of miles on the car (or maybe never).

I plan on stripping the interior sooner, rather then later, specifically so I don't get tempted to just build a street car. I want to get so far into this build that there is no turning back and no desire to cut corners.

[nunya]

I see how it is, you are saying i did it wrong! :-P

--dillon

[Max@034]

I see how it is, you are saying i did it wrong! :-P

--dillon

You're clutch is perfect for a daily driver!!!

I knew from the start what this car would be used for, and I'm learning my lessons from my B5 S4... There are lots of things I regret not doing in that build, and it taught me that you either go slow and pussy foot it, or you do it once and do it right and go balls to the wall!

Of course, balls the wall would be acid dipping and trussing the chassis... I don't think I'll be going that far hahaha, but something like a clutch, I don't want to mess around with, especially with a 5858 and its potential.

But on the good side of things, I just sold my MKII GTi and will hopefully have my other A4 sold soon, and then its time to get this show on the road. I'm still hoping to have things together by the end of August.

[SleeperAvant]

Update?

[silverman]

Yeah c'mon! It's Sept, 19th!

[Max@034]

Dead in the water until I recover from taking 11 days off on vacation. Priorities... =)

I've slowly still been picking up things here and there, but need to move in a couple months so that may light my fire to get it done. I don't want to have to tow the car.

The 2.7T Single Turbo has just taken up an immense amount of time. I still hope to have it ready this fall for some wet track days.

[RudeJude518]

Awesome, just pure awesomeness.

[Max@034]

A sudden turn of events; someone is hopefully picking up my V6 this weekend, which will give me enough money to finish the motor build on the 2.0L and get back on track.

Excited to get this thing done. The AEB head should be back from porting next week. Went pretty aggressive with it.

Will need to decide what to do about an intake manifold as well.

[Max@034]

Well, it appears it is the time for the A4 to be born.

My S4 was totaled yesterday, insurance check arrives next week.

Full green light to finish the motor and get the car up and running.

Look for some updates real soon!

[s3apra4]

My S4 was totaled yesterday

Um what?!?!?!

[SleeperAvant]

Um what?!?!?!

seriously, what happened??

[Max@034]

Cement Truck 1
B5 Audi S4 0

All that matters is that the S4 is gone, totaled, and myself and my friend are mostly ok, minor injuries. The motor and single turbo kit and everything are still good, it was a rear end collision, so I'll be removing everything. I had planned on selling the S4 in December anyways and swapping over the suspension and hood and such to the A4.

[s3apra4]

Cement Truck 1
B5 Audi S4 0

All that matters is that the S4 is gone, totaled, and myself and my friend are mostly ok, minor injuries. The motor and single turbo kit and everything are still good, it was a rear end collision, so I'll be removing everything. I had planned on selling the S4 in December anyways and swapping over the suspension and hood and such to the A4.

Well glad everyone is ok. Bring on the a4 build! [evilsmile]

[Max@034]

Progress continues. 06A oil pump cog installed.

http://fototime.com/%7BD21C4E6D-C288-4B98-AFEC-1BF6D65D656E%7D/origpict/IMG_9656A.jpg

[Max@034]

Currently contemplating whether to just do a basic rebuild on the 01E 6 speed going in the car, or whether I should bite the bullet and go All-Road 3rd/4th gear (what we run in the Time Attack car). Regardless, will be doing diff pump and already has a high-bias center diff. Also going to take this time to install a rear LSD, but keep it open in the front.

The new timeline for the car is to have her up and running in February, but at a much gnarlier level!

I expect the A4 to be 50% stripped of the interior, potentially even with a fuel cell installed, by this time.

Running a standard 034Motorsport dual Bosch 044 surge tank with a Walbro in the stock tank feeding it.

Cams are still up in the air.

[Max@034]

Things are getting closer and closer.

Big thanks to Scotty@Advanced for helping me with a transmission. Going to be running a rebuilt 01E with an RS4 3/4 gear, which while not as close as the All-Road 3/4, will be an improvement over the stock ratios and help keep the 2.0L up in the powerband. The All-Road setup was just going to cost too much and was too much of a risk.

Also decided it's not feasible to keep the stock RS4 clutch, so it's time to move up to a Tilton cerametallic twin disc setup and a 034 Tilton aluminum flywheel. Good bye daily driving.

[silverman]

Anxiously waiting!

[terraflata]

, so it's time to move up to a Tilton cerametallic twin disc setup and a 034 Tilton aluminum flywheel. Good bye daily driving.

Is it that bad? I was under the impression this was the more harcore but streetable setup without forking out the cash for the Carbon Tilton clutch?

[Max@034]

Is it that bad? I was under the impression this was the more harcore but streetable setup without forking out the cash for the Carbon Tilton clutch?

Depends a lot on what you consider is acceptable in a clutch.

I've driven many clutches, single and twin, and given the area I live in it's just not terribly feasible to run an unsprung twin disc in 45 minutes of traffic each way, everyday. If you have a light drive or not much stop/go traffic, it's totally fine, but it's more of an on/off switch without that spring to soften the engagement and it can get tiresome commuting day after day in stop and go. Around town, you get used to it and learn it, just not much slipping available (but a lot more than the iron sintered).

The term "daily driving" gets tossed around a lot; this car isn't going to be much fun to DD even with an easy clutch. The aggressive twin disc and very light clutch/flywheel assembly makes 1st gear engagement even more difficult, but of course makes rev matching and such an instant response.

[Max@034]

Things have been delayed a bit once again because I've been spending too much money on my new A3 VR6.

However, the new transmission from Advanced Automotion is in transit.

Engine harness is pretty much complete as well. Still trying to decide what to do about cams.

On other news, we can finally share the latest power update from our 2.0L Time Attack motor that I am copying; over 600whp with a Precision 6262 and full boost by 4000rpm, pretty much the same powerband as my 2.8L V6 with a 6262. This shows you how much a proper and efficient manifold design can improve stuff, although running A8D fuel sure helps.

[stunner247]

Big thanks to Scotty@Advanced for helping me with a transmission. Going to be running a rebuilt 01E with an RS4 3/4 gear, which while not as close as the All-Road 3/4, will be an improvement over the stock ratios and help keep the 2.0L up in the powerband. The All-Road setup was just going to cost too much and was too much of a risk.

Just curious as to why the allroad trans was going to be so much more then putting rs4 gears in? I run an 01E with my 2.0l and was thinking of tracking down an allroad trans to help with the gear ratio's, but also up for rs4 gears if that is a cheaper way to go.

BTW, love the build Max and I feel your pain with dailying the twin disk[headbang]

[Max@034]

Just curious as to why the allroad trans was going to be so much more then putting rs4 gears in? I run an 01E with my 2.0l and was thinking of tracking down an allroad trans to help with the gear ratio's, but also up for rs4 gears if that is a cheaper way to go.

BTW, love the build Max and I feel your pain with dailying the twin disk[headbang]

The problem is that the allroad gears require the allroad gear shafts as well, which basically means you need an entire donor transmission and it needs to be in very very good shape. They are pretty rare to find in very nice condition. The parts new are a total arm and a leg, and it is my understanding that the RS4 gears can be used on the stock S4 01E shafts, requiring only the gears. In the end we went with an RS4 3rd and 4th and an RS2 5th, can't remember what we did with 6th gear.

I had to make a decision about how far I wanted to go with the whole "do it once and do it right" philosophy, but realized that there wasn't much point in going to the allroad 3/4 if I wasn't also doing a straight cut 1st and 2nd, so if the RS4 stuff is still too tall, then I will have to bite the bullet and go all the way. I decided to skimp on the diff pump as well for now, I won't be needing it in the next year anyways, and could always add an electric pump (although just as expensive).

[stunner247]

Gotcha, thanks for the info. look forward to seeing how the rs4 gears work out for you...might go that way if it makes a difference.

[Max@034]

Gotcha, thanks for the info. look forward to seeing how the rs4 gears work out for you...might go that way if it makes a difference.

It will definitely make a difference as the stock S4 gears are simply too wide for the 2.0L, especially if you aren't running solid lifters. Right now the 2nd to 3rd shift just drops power too low. I don't want to have to wring it out to 8000rpm every time I want to drop into a good powerband for 3rd or 4th and the majority of the time on our tracks you are in 2-4th, especially my primary track Thunderhill.

The RS4 stuff isn't crazy shorter by any means, but it's definitely better than nothing and when a half second makes all the difference, that adds up over some laps. It's pretty much in between the stock S4 and the Allroad gears and is worth a couple hundred RPM.

On an S4, from 4200rpm to 6500rpm, the RS4 third gear gets to 6500rpm about a quarter second faster. Since I want most of my focus between 50mph 130mph, closer ratios mean faster times.

[un1ko]

Progress continues. 06A oil pump cog installed.

http://fototime.com/%7BD21C4E6D-C288-4B98-AFEC-1BF6D65D656E%7D/origpict/IMG_9656A.jpg

Max - Can't wait to see your build finished. So, you decided to go with a cast crank?

As for an intake manifold. You should go with something like this.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l109/un1ko/AudiSEMManifold.jpg

or maybe Issam can make you one of these.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2461/3809599131_fd8c42fc1c.jpg

[gmx]

Coming a long well. Then again, didn't expect anything less from you :P

What rear LSD are you looking at and not torsen type is it?

[UCFQuattroguy]

FWIW: I've been *extremely* happy with the OS Giken differential I've had in my A4 for the last year or so. Very smooth/progressive. None of the typical NVH issues most clutch plate diffs will give you because of the preload stack resisting breakaway during tight/slow turning on the street or parking lot.

[gmx]

It's not a torsen type diff is it?
Just read some of your posts on motorgeek.. what adjustable control arms are you running and do you have more room for adjustment to go further than -2.5?

[UCFQuattroguy]

It's not a torsen type diff is it?
Just read some of your posts on motorgeek.. what adjustable control arms are you running and do you have more room for adjustment to go further than -2.5?

The OSG is a clutch plate diff. As to what makes it "special" from others...search Google for "negative preload differential". That should give a decent idea how it works. Essentially, there's more to it than your typical cone washer, clutch, and ramp arrangement. Sets of interchangeable springs are used to control the progression of the lock (as opposed to preload itself), which allows for very low amounts of preload to be used (mine only has 10kg, or 22lbs). This virtually eliminates any of the binding, grabbing, etc you typicall get in slow/tight maneuvers. On the track, it gives you a very smooth transition from no lock to as much lock as you tune into it (clutch and ramp arrangement). You can use the previously mentioned springs in varying tensions to lock anywhere from almost instantly, to slow and progressive. I've retuned mine a couple of times. Once it's out of the car, it's VERY easy to take apart and swap springs around.

I'm running Stern arms, as they were the only ones I could find that were legal for SCCA SOLO II Street Prepared classing. I can get more camber if I use the "other" lower control arm mount point.

But, we digress. This thread isn't about my car. I was just throwing out another diff option for Max. IIRC retail is right at $2k. :-)

[Max@034]

Transmission is done, sitting in my garage. The motor got dropped off, FINALLY. Looking at around 2 weeks before it's back, and then the long block assembly starts.

That is a 2.0FSI crank, forged from the factory.

I'll be running just an enlarged AEB manifold for the next 4-5 months, and then our own 034Motorsport Intake Manifold, should be out this summer.

http://www.034motorsport.com/images/VW_18T_Intake_Manifold_Teaser_12.jpg

For now I'm going to stick with a SPA exhaust manifold and 3" downpipe, into my 3.5" rear system I already have. Next year I will go to a tubular manifold and a full 3.5" downpipe. I need to get used to the car on the track so I'll be spending most of the next year around 350whp.


Coming a long well. Then again, didn't expect anything less from you :P

What rear LSD are you looking at and not torsen type is it?


FWIW: I've been *extremely* happy with the OS Giken differential I've had in my A4 for the last year or so. Very smooth/progressive. None of the typical NVH issues most clutch plate diffs will give you because of the preload stack resisting breakaway during tight/slow turning on the street or parking lot.

I'll be running a Guard rear LSD, clutch disc style. We've worked with them before and my Porsche friends like them a lot. I like how clutch plate/pack diffs feel in general, but the constant need to rebuild and how nasty on/off they get as they wear sucks. Luckily the Guards seem to not get so clunky as they wear, and this car won't see much mileage. I originally come for big lifted Jeep scene and running around daily driving a full on Detroit locker so a little bind is fine.


It's not a torsen type diff is it?
Just read some of your posts on motorgeek.. what adjustable control arms are you running and do you have more room for adjustment to go further than -2.5?

I'm running our 034Motorsport Race Upper Adjustable Control Arms, different than our Density Line Adjustables. They are spherical inner and outer joint and allow up to 3 degrees negative camber. We can also make custom ones for even more. As UCF mentioned, you can also use the A6 lower control arm hole to increase track and camber. We use this on our Time Attack car. It requires a CV joint spacer.

[stunner247]

I'll be running just an enlarged AEB manifold for the next 4-5 months, and then our own 034Motorsport Intake Manifold, should be out this summer.

http://www.034motorsport.com/images/VW_18T_Intake_Manifold_Teaser_12.jpg



Wow! kind of wish I didn't buy my SEM manifold. Will There be a comparison test between the SEM and this? I would like to see that.

[gmx]

... As UCF mentioned, you can also use the A6 lower control arm hole to increase track and camber. We use this on our Time Attack car. It requires a CV joint spacer.

Wow, never heard of this. Tricks of the trade I guess.

[gmx]

Any progress?

Just wanted to ask since, does anyone readily make the CV spacers and how thick should they be?

[Gumby]

Any progress?

Just wanted to ask since, does anyone readily make the CV spacers and how thick should they be?

http://www.034motorsport.com/chassis-components-audi-a4s4a6s6-cv-spacer-kit-15mm-vwaudi-100mm-108mm-cvs-p-19955.html

[Max@034]

Thanks Matt!

Progress is going well, the motor should be done end of next week. Since I'm not in a huge rush, I'm letting them take their time to save me a few bucks.

I actually think the first start should be within the next few weeks. I'm at the point where I just want to start breaking in the car, so I'm going to hold off on swapping in the built 01E transmission until everything is already running. Plenty of other things to deal with besides doing an entire driveline swap.

[Gumby]

i'm so stoked to see this thing up and running. i'd still like to build a b5 track car some day.

you'll have to get some updated pictures of everything when you get the engine all buttoned up.

[Max@034]

As always things get a little delayed, somehow the wrong guides got ordered, but back on track and should be less than a week now.

[Grip99]

I'll be running just an enlarged AEB manifold for the next 4-5 months, and then our own 034Motorsport Intake Manifold, should be out this summer.

http://www.034motorsport.com/images/VW_18T_Intake_Manifold_Teaser_12.jpg


Awesome...Interested to see how this flows

[Operator]

and then our own 034Motorsport Intake Manifold, should be out this summer.

Will you have a B7 option avail?

[spindoctor]

Awesome...Interested to see how this flows

Interested as well :)

[Max@034]

Shortblock and head are done. HELL YEAH!

Picking them up on Monday.

Finally managed to recover the pink slip too, that saves a ton of DMV work.

I don't think we have a 2.0TFSI intake manifold in the works, just too much stuff going on. The 1.8T Intake Manifold flows a serious amount; not willing to give out too much specific information until we get closer to release, but needless to say there are some gains to be had for sure.

[spindoctor]

That's what I wanna hear :) more teaser pics of the intake manifold?

[s3apra4]

Shortblock and head are done. HELL YEAH!
The 1.8T Intake Manifold flows a serious amount; not willing to give out too much specific information until we get closer to release, but needless to say there are some gains to be had for sure.
Is there a possibility that it will be ready around late may? Ill let you guys pull the Apikol IM off and put that one on while my car is at 034 right before Wuste!!![:D]

[Max@034]

How exciting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Before the shortblock gets put back together, I will need to test for valve interference. Even though I had the pistons custom machined, I still want to ensure that a combination of aggressive lift/duration cams and variable valve timing won't bring things too close together.

For the sake of getting everything up and running, I'll be running the stock AEB cams for now. This may also allow me to run a tubular exhaust manifold right from the start. I'll have to decide what is more beneficial to me at the moment; some cams or tubular exhaust manifold. They are both probably worth similar amounts of power, and both can be added at a later time.

http://fototime.com/%7B90A45E6C-0209-4F06-B91E-F8FEC6DBE5FC%7D/origpict/IMG_3330A.jpg

http://fototime.com/%7B6E6E3803-31AA-43B2-8284-1F9465977D39%7D/origpict/IMG_3335A.jpg


Is there a possibility that it will be ready around late may? Ill let you guys pull the Apikol IM off and put that one on while my car is at 034 right before Wuste!!![:D]

My inclination is to say no, it won't, but we do have a prototype here that we can use for dyno comparisons, etc, and perhaps will wind up on my car.

[SleeperAvant]

Sexy!

[melomandn]

Gonna be sick man, do you have any more info or just some good links about making power with the VVT? All I've been able to find is guys speculating about it.

Would love to see some real world results!

[Operator]

I don't think we have a 2.0TFSI intake manifold in the works, just too much stuff going on.

Just don't forget about us!!!!

The build is looking TOPS!!!!!!!

[Max@034]

More news! Cams and tubular manifold have been decided, right from the get go.

Super excited to be running a set of the new CAT factory degree'd 3658 camshafts; these have all the power advantages of the 3658's, but without the need to get them degree'd by a machine shop (incredibly expensive). The factory timing marks have been developed with years of Bob Q's dyno testing on a BAT 1.8T. You obviously can still adjust via an adjustable cam gear, but now you have the option of simply dropping a factory cam gear onto them and you'll be in a great place for a turbo motor.

Will post pictures of the tubular manifold construction soon, hopefully be done in 1-2 weeks.

Man this is getting expensive!


Sexy!

Thanks Steve! It's awesome to have to start thinking about small meaningless things like what color I want my valve cover, because it's actually getting close to being finished.


Gonna be sick man, do you have any more info or just some good links about making power with the VVT? All I've been able to find is guys speculating about it.

Would love to see some real world results!

I can definitely pull up some back to back dyno results for you, it makes a HUGE difference in low and top end power, although it is easier to work with when using something like our 034EFI SEMS, where the VVT is made an easily programmable general purpose order. But massive gains can still be made with the factory Motronic system too.

On our 2.0L Time Attack motor, we gained over 30whp at various parts of the curve (primarily down low and up top), and this is with CAT 3658 Billet cams. We of course had to heavily machine for the additional valve clearance, as you can see I did on mine. On our big GTi-RS mid engine project car, which is running a 3.0L APB single turbo motor, we made the mistake of not machining enough clearance into the pistons and had the tough choice of limiting timing, or disabling VVT.

From a powerband standpoint, it would have been more beneficial to run very little timing, but enabling VVT; however the car was designed for big power and to hit over 900whp like we did, it was more beneficial to just dial on straight timing versus the VVT, as power in the low/mid band wasn't important and more power was gained up top with pure timing.


Just don't forget about us!!!!

The build is looking TOPS!!!!!!!

You know, I was actually wrong; we have been developing one and will release it later this year, but it's taking a back seat to a lot of other current projects. It will be geared towards BAT cars, not K04 stuff, whereas our 1.8T manifold actually has good gains on a stock turbo all the way up to a BAT.

[melomandn]

I can definitely pull up some back to back dyno results for you, it makes a HUGE difference in low and top end power, although it is easier to work with when using something like our 034EFI SEMS, where the VVT is made an easily programmable general purpose order. But massive gains can still be made with the factory Motronic system too.

On our 2.0L Time Attack motor, we gained over 30whp at various parts of the curve (primarily down low and up top), and this is with CAT 3658 Billet cams. We of course had to heavily machine for the additional valve clearance, as you can see I did on mine. On our big GTi-RS mid engine project car, which is running a 3.0L APB single turbo motor, we made the mistake of not machining enough clearance into the pistons and had the tough choice of limiting timing, or disabling VVT.

From a powerband standpoint, it would have been more beneficial to run very little timing, but enabling VVT; however the car was designed for big power and to hit over 900whp like we did, it was more beneficial to just dial on straight timing versus the VVT, as power in the low/mid band wasn't important and more power was gained up top with pure timing.


I would love to see some back to back dyno's. I've always thought that the VVT could be very beneficial on our cars but you really never hear of anyone doing it. If you could post up anymore info or anything that comes up during your tuning period that'd be awesome!

[un1ko]

More news! Cams and tubular manifold have been decided, right from the get go.

Super excited to be running a set of the new CAT factory degree'd 3658 camshafts; these have all the power advantages of the 3658's, but without the need to get them degree'd by a machine shop (incredibly expensive). The factory timing marks have been developed with years of Bob Q's dyno testing on a BAT 1.8T. You obviously can still adjust via an adjustable cam gear, but now you have the option of simply dropping a factory cam gear onto them and you'll be in a great place for a turbo motor.

Will post pictures of the tubular manifold construction soon, hopefully be done in 1-2 weeks.

Man this is getting expensive!



Thanks Steve! It's awesome to have to start thinking about small meaningless things like what color I want my valve cover, because it's actually getting close to being finished.



I can definitely pull up some back to back dyno results for you, it makes a HUGE difference in low and top end power, although it is easier to work with when using something like our 034EFI SEMS, where the VVT is made an easily programmable general purpose order. But massive gains can still be made with the factory Motronic system too.

On our 2.0L Time Attack motor, we gained over 30whp at various parts of the curve (primarily down low and up top), and this is with CAT 3658 Billet cams. We of course had to heavily machine for the additional valve clearance, as you can see I did on mine. On our big GTi-RS mid engine project car, which is running a 3.0L APB single turbo motor, we made the mistake of not machining enough clearance into the pistons and had the tough choice of limiting timing, or disabling VVT.

From a powerband standpoint, it would have been more beneficial to run very little timing, but enabling VVT; however the car was designed for big power and to hit over 900whp like we did, it was more beneficial to just dial on straight timing versus the VVT, as power in the low/mid band wasn't important and more power was gained up top with pure timing.



You know, I was actually wrong; we have been developing one and will release it later this year, but it's taking a back seat to a lot of other current projects. It will be geared towards BAT cars, not K04 stuff, whereas our 1.8T manifold actually has good gains on a stock turbo all the way up to a BAT.

Are you going with a custom tubular that 034 would fabricate or from another company that already sells them? Is that I remember you guys use to sell them, but not I don't see them on your guys website.

BobQ, I wonder what happened to him. I bought his purple cams, can't wait to see how respond. Nice choice with the 3658's

Can't wait to see some pics!

[biglou]

You got a lot of crazy stuff on ur car


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[Max@034]

I would love to see some back to back dyno's. I've always thought that the VVT could be very beneficial on our cars but you really never hear of anyone doing it. If you could post up anymore info or anything that comes up during your tuning period that'd be awesome!

Check this out: http://blog.034motorsport.com/category/tuning/

Here is one of the tests;
http://www.034motorsport.com/images/Laszlo/Audizine/Dyno/Time_Attack_B5_A4_Cam_Test.jpg


Are you going with a custom tubular that 034 would fabricate or from another company that already sells them? Is that I remember you guys use to sell them, but not I don't see them on your guys website.

BobQ, I wonder what happened to him. I bought his purple cams, can't wait to see how respond. Nice choice with the 3658's

Can't wait to see some pics!

I am going to go with a copy of our Time Attack tubular manifold. It's shorter than most tubular headers, specifically to be lightweight, and I want to do everything I can to reduce weight in the front of the vehicle. Just by swapping out my Precision intercooler for a lightweight fin model (an Evo intercooler), and the shorter tubular header, should save me about 30 pounds, and that's all in front of the front axle.

BobQ dropped off the face of the planet, but resurfaced last year or so, citing health problems.

I would have considered the Full Race manifold, but it only comes with a T4 flange and with a race car you really need a v-band turbine flange or the turbo will just constantly need to be tightened.


You got a lot of crazy stuff on ur car


Crack phone

Thanks Lou, getting excited to see it all tied together.

[biglou]

I can imagine !


Crack phone

[Max@034]

Not much new to report; I've lost some motivation with the project and trying to get back into the swing of things so I can get the motor back together.

Hoping to get the S4 uprights swapped in this weekend from the A4 V6 uprights I had on there. Only reason I am doing so is because my Brembos came with S4 adapters and it's cheaper to swap uprights rather than machining or buying new brackets to fit the A4 uprights.

My goal was also to get the cage done before installing the motor, but I realized I'm going to miss the good weather track days if I keep lagging. I also am hoping to have it running before May 14th before I leave for a 6 week vacation and deplete all my extra funds. =/

All these small motor parts really add up too, like oil pump, guides, tensioner, etc.

[Seerlah]

http://www.034motorsport.com/images/VW_18T_Intake_Manifold_Teaser_12.jpg



Yeah, that thing is f*cking sweet. Love the versatility behind the runners with velocity stacks to be used on both the transverse and longitudinal engines. Waiting for release thread and price.

[un1ko]

Yeah, that thing is f*cking sweet. Love the versatility behind the runners with velocity stacks to be used on both the transverse and longitudinal engines. Waiting for release thread and price.

Hmm.. I wonder if 034 is going to add their brand on it?

[Max@034]

Hmm.. I wonder if 034 is going to add their brand on it?

Yep. The transverse will be released in a month or so. Longitudinal is probably (realistically) going to be end of the summer. I will hopefully be rocking the prototype on my car well before that though. [evilsmile] [evilsmile] [evilsmile]

Finally got my engine stand, so things are moving in the right direction. Now if someone would just buy my Sparco Roadster seats, I could fund the rest of this project! ;)

Looking to have the motor ready to drop in next week or so, as there will be some time to get all the coolant hoses in order. Just need an oil pump and I can button up the pan with the rear main seal. Once the motor is sitting all shiny on the stand, I think that will give me some motivation. Too bad the 30v V6 needs a timing belt job this weekend too so I can sell that thing and have some more funds to do things right the first time.

Of course, I leave for Europe on May 14th; doubtful things will be running before then, and I will be gone for 6 weeks. Anyone want to finish it for me? =D