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BzzzBom
12-10-2011, 08:56 AM
How much do we know about the 2013 refreshed S4 besides the exterior and interior changes? Will it get the crown differential? Will it get a mild HP increase? The 2013 model is supposed to be available in the US in June but there is speculation that it will be much sooner to coincide with the BMW F30 launch. It is already on the UK and German websites for configuration.
Thanks

iraudi
12-10-2011, 09:01 AM
same engine. same drivetrain. only a facelift.

zerinA4
12-10-2011, 09:09 AM
And updated MMI.


same engine. same drivetrain. only a facelift.

tomh009
12-10-2011, 09:20 AM
I don't think production of the new A4/S4 models starts until March (new A5/S5 starts in late January IIRC) so I wouldn't count on seeing them here until the summer.

BzzzBom
12-10-2011, 09:23 AM
And different steering?

iraudi
12-10-2011, 09:49 AM
And different steering?
wheel yes. steering as functionality, not that i am aware of.

wwhan
12-10-2011, 12:27 PM
I don't think production of the new A4/S4 models starts until March (new A5/S5 starts in late January IIRC) so I wouldn't count on seeing them here until the summer.

In the past, Audi had a MY production change over in May / June.

tomh009
12-10-2011, 02:25 PM
In the past, Audi had a MY production change over in May / June.

That's the normal timing, yes. But facelifted cars will become available (at least in Europe) before that, so they'll need to start production earlier, too.

BzzzBom
12-10-2011, 02:36 PM
2013 cars will be available in Europe beginning of March.

autoluxe
12-10-2011, 03:55 PM
http://www.audi.co.uk/new-cars/a4/s4-saloon.html

BzzzBom
12-10-2011, 05:31 PM
http://www.audi.co.uk/new-cars/a4/s4-saloon.html

So they are already taking orders in the UK?

wwhan
12-10-2011, 06:05 PM
The UK is typically ahead of the USA.

autoluxe
12-10-2011, 06:32 PM
So they are already taking orders in the UK?

The pricing and options are on the website. You just can't build it yet :( but you can download the brochure online. Check it out!

prowl647
12-10-2011, 08:25 PM
Lookin at interior photo from uk website it appears steering wheel isn't flat bottomed anymore

autoluxe
12-10-2011, 08:31 PM
Lookin at interior photo from uk website it appears steering wheel isn't flat bottomed anymore

only in one picture, the net one it is flat bottomed. i noticed that too...what are the chances of the US getting the flat bottom wheel? slim to none I'm guessing

JimmyBones
12-10-2011, 09:01 PM
wheel yes. steering as functionality, not that i am aware of.

They are switching from the hydraulic power steering system to the electromechanical steering just like the rest of the models. It started in the A3s and Mk2 TTs then the A8s followed by the C7 A6s and A7s. That is good news because I never saw any issues with the A3s or TTs steering. The other cars haven't been out long enough for a good judgement but they had been good so far.

This is the article that Audizine posted in the news section: http://www.audizine.com/news/news.php?nid=236&p=2

Hard Driver
12-11-2011, 09:57 PM
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20111026/CARNEWS/111029898

I think the autoweek article details the changes. There is a change to the steering, drive belt accessories and some stop start engine system that is supposed to improve gase milage. Not sure is these are on the S4 too. But I don't believe there is a HP bump. The changes appear to be mostly cosmetic.

tomh009
12-11-2011, 11:16 PM
Facelifts usually are mostly cosmetic. [:D]

But the electromechanical steering, the stop-start system and clutched accessories are all mechanical changes, though - mostly aimed at reducing fuel consumption.

iraudi
12-12-2011, 05:27 AM
i believe the start stop system is only for EU. Cars in europe have the feature where they turn off and back on when you step on the clutch.
Maybe i am wrong...

autoluxe
12-12-2011, 07:16 AM
you can build the 2013 S4 on the UK website now...

http://configurator.audi.co.uk/controller?next=model-page&mandant=accx-uk

MayorAdamWest
12-12-2011, 09:03 AM
I'll definitely be ordering a fully loaded 2013. Anyone have an idea when we can order in the US? If they'll be available by may or June, it seems like orders should be taken in the next few months?

autoluxe
12-12-2011, 09:10 AM
I'll definitely be ordering a fully loaded 2013. Anyone have an idea when we can order in the US? If they'll be available by may or June, it seems like orders should be taken in the next few months?

I would imagine so...im guessing january/feb? I'm not entirely sure thought because the refresh isn't even mentioned on the audiusa site

NWS4Guy
12-12-2011, 10:17 AM
I would imagine so...im guessing january/feb? I'm not entirely sure thought because the refresh isn't even mentioned on the audiusa site
Audi ALWAYS always updates their US guide in early May - sometimes it leaks out a little sooner. Dealers will allow you to put your name on a car for production, but will NOT talk pricing until a car arrives anyway, and when the guide comes out for the US that is when pricing is released.

Every year around this time the topic comes up, and every year the same answer. Search rocks!

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/425291-2012-S4-Order-Guide-is-Out-(No-Pricing-Yet)?highlight=new+price+guide

MayorAdamWest
12-12-2011, 10:38 AM
Audi ALWAYS always updates their US guide in early May - sometimes it leaks out a little sooner. Dealers will allow you to put your name on a car for production, but will NOT talk pricing until a car arrives anyway, and when the guide comes out for the US that is when pricing is released.

Every year around this time the topic comes up, and every year the same answer. Search rocks!

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/425291-2012-S4-Order-Guide-is-Out-(No-Pricing-Yet)?highlight=new+price+guide

Darn! If they don't even release the guide until late April, chances are I won't even see my custom car until September :-(

NWS4Guy
12-12-2011, 12:34 PM
Darn! If they don't even release the guide until late April, chances are I won't even see my custom car until September :-(

Yes, or possibly early August. The production lines are taken down in May to retool for changes, the first cars start hitting US shores in very late July, and are sometimes held till closer to mid August for release, but this is typically for new models not a yearly itteration or refresh.

zerinA4
12-12-2011, 12:41 PM
Some of the production lines are already retooling. EU deliveries of the refreshed model will be starting soon.


Yes, or possibly early August. The production lines are taken down in May to retool for changes, the first cars start hitting US shores in very late July, and are sometimes held till closer to mid August for release, but this is typically for new models not a yearly itteration or refresh.

BzzzBom
12-12-2011, 03:46 PM
I wonder if the refreshed S4 will get the crown differential? http://www.audiworld.com/news/11/crowngear/

autoluxe
12-13-2011, 10:27 AM
I just want to be able to build one on the US site...actually I just want to see it at the NY car show! I'm excited to see the new little differences

Stereodude
12-13-2011, 06:54 PM
How much did the price go up in Europe for the facelifted model?

Kandiru
12-13-2011, 06:57 PM
I don't think production of the new A4/S4 models starts until March (new A5/S5 starts in late January IIRC) so I wouldn't count on seeing them here until the summer.

Correct, i had a 2011 order placed in March, got converted to 2012 in May, car arrived in August, same for many others.

madmadS4
12-13-2011, 07:04 PM
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20111026/CARNEWS/111029898

I think the autoweek article details the changes. There is a change to the steering, drive belt accessories and some stop start engine system that is supposed to improve gase milage. Not sure is these are on the S4 too. But I don't believe there is a HP bump. The changes appear to be mostly cosmetic.

Stop/start! ack! Imagine you're doing your launch control at a red light and the engine has to start first.

tomh009
12-13-2011, 07:35 PM
Stop/start! ack! Imagine you're doing your launch control at a red light and the engine has to start first.

You can switch it off.

MayorAdamWest
12-13-2011, 09:51 PM
Correct, i had a 2011 order placed in March, got converted to 2012 in May, car arrived in August, same for many others.

It's going to be a long 8 months!

BzzzBom
12-14-2011, 08:19 AM
Audi needs to expedite the release to compete with the new BMW 3 series. We should be able to start placing orders in February or March

kausbose
12-14-2011, 08:22 AM
wheel yes. steering as functionality, not that i am aware of.

BWAHAAAAH!!!!

TofuShop
12-14-2011, 10:52 AM
2013 gets lower curb weight according to the press release.

Stereodude
12-14-2011, 07:18 PM
So, when is the cutoff date to order a 2012 or has that already past?

offthewall
12-14-2011, 10:12 PM
Very interested in this thread. I was set to order an S4 late this month for spring delivery. If the 2013's are truly coming a bit early and will be in the US showrooms in June, I want to wait. If it's late August / September as has been in the past, I'm not interested.

I'm going to check with my dealer in a week or so and see if he has any more info.

NWS4Guy
12-14-2011, 10:14 PM
Very interested in this thread. I was set to order an S4 late this month for spring delivery. If the 2013's are truly coming a bit early and will be in the US showrooms in June, I want to wait. If it's late August / September as has been in the past, I'm not interested.

I'm going to check with my dealer in a week or so and see if he has any more info.

Cutoff should be in Jan to early Feb for a custom order.

BzzzBom
12-22-2011, 05:21 PM
[QUOTE=Stereodude;7110028]So, when is the cutoff date to order a 2012 or has that already past?[/QUOTE

I asked the biggest dealership, Keys in Los Angeles. The cutoff date will be the end of January.

Stereodude
12-22-2011, 07:39 PM
I asked the biggest dealership, Keys in Los Angeles. The cutoff date will be the end of January.
Thanks!

So, a end of January order = end of April delivery or so right? Does that mean the 2013's will start showing up in May or will there be some downtime between the 2012's and 2013's?

bcampbell
12-24-2011, 01:26 AM
I have a 2010 S4 - ordered in Jan 2010 built in 2010 and delivered in 2010. I call it a 2010 model. The first of the new facelift models are going to be on the streets in 2012 (UK). I would refer to this as a 2012 model. Why is it then that 2012 models as being the old ones when 2012 is still a week away? And reference is being made to 2014 models wich I think is the one I would refer to as the 2012 model.

phatAvant
12-24-2011, 01:49 AM
I have a 2010 S4 - ordered in Jan 2010 built in 2010 and delivered in 2010. I call it a 2010 model. The first of the new facelift models are going to be on the streets in 2012 (UK). I would refer to this as a 2012 model. Why is it then that 2012 models as being the old ones when 2012 is still a week away? And reference is being made to 2014 models wich I think is the one I would refer to as the 2012 model.

Its just the way that the model years are referred to in different areas. Mine was delivered in Nov 2010, but for some reason its 2011 model even in (most of ) Europe. Its just that over here we dont really refer to cars by model year, more about the production year or delivery, whilst in America its all about the model year.

tomh009
12-24-2011, 02:01 AM
I have a 2010 S4 - ordered in Jan 2010 built in 2010 and delivered in 2010. I call it a 2010 model. The first of the new facelift models are going to be on the streets in 2012 (UK). I would refer to this as a 2012 model. Why is it then that 2012 models as being the old ones when 2012 is still a week away? And reference is being made to 2014 models wich I think is the one I would refer to as the 2012 model.

If you look at the VIN of one of the new facelifted models (once they arrive) you'll see that Audi designates them as 2013 models even if that's not really talked about in the UK. This practice has been around for a long time with "next year's models" typically introduced late in the previous year. Earlier on it might have been at one of the big car shows; now it's not necessarily at a show but it will still switch over, often sometime in the summer.

bcampbell
12-24-2011, 02:36 AM
Thanks guys - will hve to go and check the VIN now

BzzzBom
01-03-2012, 11:42 PM
How much lighter will the 2013 be?

Stereodude
01-04-2012, 05:58 AM
How much lighter will the 2013 be?
Reportedly the 2013 A4 is about 50lbs lighter than the 2012, so I'd guess the S4 will be similar.

XAM989
01-04-2012, 04:15 PM
My goal was to receive a new, customized s4 by around may-ish. Point being that I really intend to use this car heavily from June-August. My dealer has told me to come in at any time to order a 2012 s4 and I should receive it in about 90 days. From what you guys know about the 2013 s4, in my situation, would you wait for the 2013 model if it would come in sometime around July? Main issue here is that I would at least miss a full month of heavy driving time with the new vehicle. I currently drive a 2010 328xi, which is a pretty boring drive compared to the s4 as I am sure you all know. Do you believe the driving experience will a significant enough change that you would hold back?

Thanks a lot.

zerinA4
01-04-2012, 04:51 PM
To be honest, any changes to the driving experience will be negligible at best. The car is fundamentally identical to the cars all of us are already driving with the exception of the electronic steering and a few other bits. Buy now or buy later...either way you'll have one hell of a car.


My goal was to receive a new, customized s4 by around may-ish. Point being that I really intend to use this car heavily from June-August. My dealer has told me to come in at any time to order a 2012 s4 and I should receive it in about 90 days. From what you guys know about the 2013 s4, in my situation, would you wait for the 2013 model if it would come in sometime around July? Main issue here is that I would at least miss a full month of heavy driving time with the new vehicle. I currently drive a 2010 328xi, which is a pretty boring drive compared to the s4 as I am sure you all know. Do you believe the driving experience will a significant enough change that you would hold back?

Thanks a lot.

Stereodude
01-04-2012, 04:57 PM
At this point I would wait for a 2013 unless you don't like some aspect of it and would rather have a 2012.

Also, reportedly you won't be able to order a 2012 after this month, so you may need to act quickly.

XAM989
01-05-2012, 05:49 AM
Thanks a lot guys. Hey, a friend told me that the 2013 is supposed to have an improved exhaust note? If anybody has seen the driving footage video for the 2013 model, to me it actually sounds a bit different to me, but I might be crazy. What do you guys think?

Stereodude
01-06-2012, 03:34 PM
Also, reportedly you won't be able to order a 2012 after this month, so you may need to act quickly.
I confirmed with the local dealer today that Jan is the last opportunity to order a 2012, and orders after that will be 2013s which should arrive in May.

Stereodude
01-07-2012, 01:54 PM
I wonder if all US facelifted 2013 S4's will have a color DIS. The UK brochure (http://www.audi.co.uk/content/dam/audi/production/PDF/PriceAndSpecGuides/a4-a4allroad-s4.pdf) shows that all facelifted B8 A4 and S4 models have a color Driverís Information System (DIS) display in the cluster. Of course in the UK all but the very bottom end A4 model had a color DIS previously so who knows.

Tracker_168
01-07-2012, 04:11 PM
I wonder if all US facelifted 2013 S4's will have a color DIS. The UK brochure (http://www.audi.co.uk/content/dam/audi/production/PDF/PriceAndSpecGuides/a4-a4allroad-s4.pdf) shows that all facelifted B8 A4 and S4 models have a color Driverís Information System (DIS) display in the cluster. Of course in the UK all but the very bottom end A4 model had a color DIS previously so who knows.

In Canada, all S4s got the Color Display regardless of Nav or Trim level.

BzzzBom
04-17-2012, 08:52 PM
I ordered a 2013 S4 last week. It is scheduled to be built mid June and arrive in L.A. in mid July. Are there any road test reviews yet?

ayz
04-17-2012, 11:11 PM
damn, you already got times from your dealer? all i'm getting from my dealer (Audi North Atlanta) is that they don't know.

i wonder if that's because they're further back in line than the LA dealers.

wwhan
04-18-2012, 08:50 AM
I ordered a 2013 S4 last week. It is scheduled to be built mid June and arrive in L.A. in mid July. Are there any road test reviews yet?

My S4 was built mid June 2010, arrived July 27th, 2010.

Marked Sold Order 04/20/2010
Vehicle Assigned 04/20/2010
Release to Manuf. 05/05/2010
Release for Production 06/07/2010
Factory Inspected 06/22/2010
Departure Port Arrived 06/23/2010
Ship Loaded 06/30/2010
Port Arrived 07/20/2010
Dealer Invoice 07/20/2010
Rel. to Carrier (Port) 07/26/2010
Dealer Delivered 07/27/2010

BzzzBom
06-04-2012, 05:15 PM
Bump

Quattroborn
06-04-2012, 05:37 PM
Why bump this old thread filled with incorrect information?

BzzzBom
06-04-2012, 05:47 PM
Why bump this old thread filled with incorrect information?
To update this old thread with new information - the 2013 is more than a facelift as originally thought. I'll start with changes from 2012:
Crown differential in DSG
Flat bottom steering wheel
Aluminum pedals
New steering
Different ECU

Stereodude
06-04-2012, 06:05 PM
Also:
New key fob
New MMI
New HVAC controls

BzzzBom
06-04-2012, 07:19 PM
More aggressive exhaust note which can be further enhanced with the dreaded Soundaktor
More aggressive shift points in dynamic mode

tomh009
06-04-2012, 07:25 PM
So ...


To update this old thread with new information - the 2013 is more than a facelift as originally thought. I'll start with changes from 2012:
Crown differential in DSG - yes, for DSG drivers
Flat bottom steering wheel - nice, but really it's cosmetic
Aluminum pedals - ditto, cosmetic
New steering - yes, this is changed to electro-mechanical
Different ECU - A different rev of the ECU, but what's really changed besides the Soundaktor support?


Also:
New key fob - cosmetic - or is there actually new functionality?
New MMI - yes, this is actually enhanced
New HVAC controls - mostly cosmetic, I think usability is little changed

Stereodude
06-04-2012, 08:23 PM
[confused] So, those aren't differences?

eyrah
06-04-2012, 09:20 PM
Just got to ride in the new 2013 s4, Jesus I didnt think they could make that car any better and they've done it lol

handruin
06-04-2012, 09:24 PM
Just got to ride in the new 2013 s4, Jesus I didnt think they could make that car any better and they've done it lol

Care to tell us more? What stood out the most in the changes between 2012 and the 2013?

autoluxe
06-04-2012, 09:30 PM
Care to tell us more? What stood out the most in the changes between 2012 and the 2013?

+1 what about the power of the car? Some said the 2013 feels like a 2010-2012 stage 1 tuned car? Details man, details!

BzzzBom
06-04-2012, 09:42 PM
Just got to ride in the new 2013 s4, Jesus I didnt think they could make that car any better and they've done it lol
You are on-line now. Details please!

tomh009
06-05-2012, 02:35 PM
[confused] So, those aren't differences?

Yes, but mostly cosmetic, not functional. But it's a facelift after all, not a new platform ...

ayz
06-05-2012, 03:32 PM
Yes, but mostly cosmetic, not functional. But it's a facelift after all, not a new platform ...

so new steering, ecu, crown diff, MMI, and hvac/interface are all cosmetic and not functional. got it.

tomh009
06-06-2012, 07:54 AM
so new steering, ecu, crown diff, MMI, and hvac/interface are all cosmetic and not functional. got it.

Power steering and MMI are new, yes. Crown diff for S Tronic, yes. So that's two or three non-cosmetic changes depending on your gearbox choice.

Nobody has been able to point out any functional differences for ECU yet other than Soundaktor support. And I consider the HVAC controls cosmetic. The functionality is the same, just the controls are somewhat changed.

Not saying the these changes are bad, or that they shouldn't make a difference to you. But the reality is that the 2013s are not a major change from a functional point of view. What I really don't understand is why this is so upsetting to you.

Habber
06-06-2012, 07:56 AM
Still waiting for the 6MT pics of the 2013 S4.

ayz
06-06-2012, 08:05 AM
Power steering and MMI are new, yes. Crown diff for S Tronic, yes. So that's two or three non-cosmetic changes depending on your gearbox choice.

Nobody has been able to point out any functional differences for ECU yet other than Soundaktor support. And I consider the HVAC controls cosmetic. The functionality is the same, just the controls are somewhat changed.

Not saying the these changes are bad, or that they shouldn't make a difference to you. But the reality is that the 2013s are not a major change from a functional point of view. What I really don't understand is why this is so upsetting to you.

what i don't understand is why you think i'm upset. just pointing out your faulty categorization.

power steering and MMI are big functional changes. crown diff for stronic is also a big one. the interior mmi/hvac controls are different, which is also a functional difference since it's significantly cleaned up.

cosmetic = looks. if it changes what it does or how you use it, it's a functional change.

those are a lot of changes in a new car. i don't really know what else you were expecting them to change, maybe a brand new engine and tranny? it's called an update, not a new car line

MaX PL
06-06-2012, 08:56 AM
i think Tomhoo9 is just trying to justify his 2012 purchase by downplaying the changes.

he's like 6/10ths butthurt.

beyond infiniti
06-06-2012, 09:05 AM
Just got to ride in the new 2013 s4, Jesus I didnt think they could make that car any better and they've done it lol

Yo tell us more!?!

eyrah
06-07-2012, 02:54 PM
The main thing I noticed was the transmission was even quicker somehow, that new diff really helps it stick to the pavement. We couldn't get on it TOO much though. it sounded like a mix between stock and a very mild aftermarket Exhaust which is very nice, because i didnt hear the "fart" as loud and noticable. and I don't know how true this is but the saler rep told me that the suspension is more refined then the pre facelift. Now I wasn't the one driving but I did notice the difference. It was a black trim on the inside, there seems to be a little more chrome accents in random little spots.
I can't compare the interior because my buddies s4 is the red one so I'm a little spoiled by his :)
For most of you guys going off pictures of the car, it's somthing you have to see to appreciate, it really is stunning! Oh and somehow the lowbeam lights are brighter, even more blinding.

Sorry for the late response I'm never over here on the s4 side!