A62turbo's Tial 770r Killer A6 Build -EPL

[A62TURBO]

Diego at AMS found me a suitable 03' A6 six speed donor car at a great price. The car will be in mid week, and we can start working on the build. My plan so far is go with the Tial 605's, fueling, light weight fly wheel, IC's, possibly 2.8 heads, and IE Rods (depending on how far I want to push it). I've owned my A6 for over 4 years now and I'm ready to take it to the next level, that TIP trans has been on my list of "to do" swaps for some time now. I'm planning on getting everything done by spring time since I am in no hurry. Pics to come!

[EinSchnellAudi]

Sounds like a bit of fun. :) Keep us posted

[MLFHNTR]

Yup. we in here like lots of pics...

[bryzf1]

Heck of a build! Good luck man... those 2.8 heads/cams can get spendy to build (roughly $3k) and may not really be worth it in for the overall gains in performance. I don't think i'd do if I were to do my build over again. Just my $0.02!

[A62TURBO]

Heck of a build! Good luck man... those 2.8 heads/cams can get spendy to build (roughly $3k) and may not really be worth it in for the overall gains in performance. I don't think i'd do if I were to do my build over again. Just my $0.02!

Thanx for the info, I was considering it since quite a few people have gone that route but I will reconsider. I'm not looking at going super crazy with this build since I'll be keeping the A6 as a DD but it would be great to pump out a nice 450hp on a daily basis.

[Mantis]

As stated, if you are not looking to go crazy with the build, stick with the 2.7t heads, there is no disputing that with the more aggressive cams and bigger ports, you can make more top end power, but if you a sticking to a 605s turbo, you are not really going to be able to justify it.

[bryzf1]

Thanx for the info, I was considering it since quite a few people have gone that route but I will reconsider. I'm not looking at going super crazy with this build since I'll be keeping the A6 as a DD but it would be great to pump out a nice 450hp on a daily basis.

Oh you'll have 450hp easy... 450whp that is! :)

[A62TURBO]

Oh you'll have 450hp easy... 450whp that is! :)

I can't wait to get started

[coolgraymemo]

sounds sweet...

[Mantis]

I am not sure what you will like more, the trans swap or the added pop form the bigger snails, kind of a toss up I would say

[A62TURBO]

I am not sure what you will like more, the trans swap or the added pop form the bigger snails, kind of a toss up I would say

To tell you the truth I think the 6 speed swap is gonna be huge for me after driving a TIP for the last four years. I just have to make sure I choose the right clutch that can hold the power but not wear me out driving every day.

[VJ's A6]

Holy SHIT Greg.. WTF!!! Can't wait to see the build pics..

[VJ's A6]

PS. I guess this thread should be deleted.. LOL...

Wife gets the A6 (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/403201-Who-wants-PSS9-s?highlight=)

[A62TURBO]

We can keep that thread for some motivation VJ. After plenty of thought I changed my mind and decided to work the A6 to the balls.

[VJ's A6]

How is going to do the tune? Unitronics or VAST?

[bryzf1]

We can keep that thread for some motivation VJ. After plenty of thought I changed my mind and decided to work the A6 to the balls.

Good decision... it's cheaper than buying a new car!

[A62TURBO]

How is going to do the tune? Unitronics or VAST?

Custom uni tune

[cbock]

Sounds like a great project! MT FTW!

[frazered]

Is it not cheaper to buy a manual car and put the tials on it?

[A62TURBO]

Is it not cheaper to buy a manual car and put the tials on it?

Considering what the car cost me 4 years ago, plus tax and interest it would probably cost me more to trade it for another car that I have no clue what has been through. I'm also getting a great deal for Te donor car and labor to do the six speed swap.

[mikehawk666]

should be a great transformation! i don't know too many a6 guys yet and what their rides look like sooo.. any pictures of your car so we know what youre working with?!

[A62TURBO]

should be a great transformation! i don't know too many a6 guys yet and what their rides look like sooo.. any pictures of your car so we know what youre working with?!

Than man, here are some pics in summer mode. After the swap I'll be going with a set of nicer wheels to finis the project.
http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/DSC_0019.jpg
http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/DSC_0024.jpg

[VJ's A6]

What is the start date?

[A62TURBO]

VJ hopefully I can get through some shit thats going on at work right now and start right away, I would love to be finished while it's still spring.

[pit viper]

I'm jealous of the Tial's. A whole lot of turbo options have become available starting right after I went Stage 3.

[A62TURBO]

Yeah but you probably got a much better price on the k04's, they have gone up a lot this past year.

[SleeperAvant]

Subscribed. I love reading swap threads.

[A62TURBO]

OK after a bunch of going back and forth with my schedule I am finally bringing my car to Diego tomorrow to start the 6 speed swap, I can't wait to get this done already because I hate driving an Auto more and more everyday.

[Mantis]

I hate driving an Auto more and more everyday.

Oddly that seems to happen once you make a final decision to ditch it

[VJ's A6]

OK after a bunch of going back and forth with my schedule I am finally bringing my car to Diego tomorrow to start the 6 speed swap, I can't wait to get this done already because I hate driving an Auto more and more everyday.

Sweet.. one more day.. How long does he need the car for the swap?

[A62TURBO]

Sweet.. one more day.. How long does he need the car for the swap?

He'll have it ready in a week.

[A62TURBO]

Oddly that seems to happen once you make a final decision to ditch it

I hated it from day one, I regretted buying an automatic since the beginning.

[in2thenightaudi]

He'll have it ready in a week.

will it just be the 6speed swap in a week, or will the tials be on too?

[A62TURBO]

will it just be the 6speed swap in a week, or will the tials be on too?

Unfortunately I will only be doing the 6 speed swap for now, I'm currently in the process of opening a new business and can't mess around with the cars too much right now. Hopefully in about six months I'll be able to do the rest.

[A62TURBO]

Dropped the car off today, should be ready mid week. I can't wait.

[ben916]

will it just be the 6speed swap in a week, or will the tials be on too?

WHA??!?!?

[chrisbostonusmc]

Wow Greg congrats....

Its good to see all us OG A6's are finally going to be Stage 3 Status.. Wofman your on deck next [>_<]

I really have been mia with this Supra build but the road is at the end

[8520]

Wow Greg congrats....

Its good to see all us OG A6's are finally going to be Stage 3 Status.. Wofman your on deck next [>_<]

I really have been mia with this Supra build but the road is at the end

Have you been getting somewhere with the supra build?

Also. C5 owners shouldn't go stage 3. It's a tarp.

[G Men 08]

Why you say that, Dre?

[A62TURBO]

Think he's joking g

[8520]

The more you modify, the more you break.

[A62TURBO]

The more you modify, the more you break.

Depends how you drive.

[8520]

I'm just bitter that egt's are $400. ha ha

[A62TURBO]

I'm just bitter that egt's are $400. ha ha

yeah, that is a scam. Good thing I had mine replaced under CPO a few years back, lets see how much longer I'll get outta them.

[chrisbostonusmc]

Have you been getting somewhere with the supra build?



http://calloutsnola.com/showthread.php?386-1995-Toyota-Supra-Complete-restoration-inside-and-out-with-2JZGTE-swap/page4

[Gumby]

I'm just bitter that egt's are $400. ha ha

You don't have any cats, why not go down to AMD and get them coded out?

[8520]

You don't have any cats, why not go down to AMD and get them coded out?

Keep toying with the idea, but I like the idea of having the factory safeguard.

[G Men 08]

I'm just bitter that egt's are $400. ha ha

lol, yeah, the bitterness of some repair costs got the best of me too.

[VJ's A6]

Greg - Which clutch and flywheel are you going to use?

[A62TURBO]

Greg - Which clutch and flywheel are you going to use?

VJ I'll be going with the RS4 clutch and stock flywheel for now, the donor car Diego got me only had like 20k original miles so most of the parts are in great shape.

[VJ's A6]

You got really lucky with the parts car..

[A62TURBO]

Yeah, Diego really hooked it up even though I took longer than expected to do the swap he still kept the parts for me. I will be using him for all my future work.

[A62TURBO]

Last night Diego sent me a small clip of my car in action, hopefully I'll pick it up today or tomorrow. I'm still amazed how fast he works, I highly recommend his shop to anyone out there looking for quality work at a great price.

[Mantis]

I sounds like Diego has his shit together, but honestly, it only takes about 5hrs more for the swap as compared to a clutch change. Glad to hear you will be getting it back soon, I bet you can't wait

[frazered]

would be good to hear what your guy is doing in detail on the trans swap

what is the approximate cost?

[Mantis]

My guess would be
-shifter
-clutch pedal assy associated switches(2 of them)
-wire reverse lights on motor side of harness
-wire clutch switches on cabin side of harness
-remove TIP trans, replace with 6mt/clutch
-install master and slave cylinders, bleed clutch line
-put it all back together
-replace propshaft with 6 mt unit
-replace diff with 6mt 4.11 diff
-replace cv axles with 6 mt axles
/done

Mine cost 4k with an upgraded clutch, and many small mistakes on my part

[A62TURBO]

My guess would be
-shifter
-clutch pedal assy associated switches(2 of them)
-wire reverse lights on motor side of harness
-wire clutch switches on cabin side of harness
-remove TIP trans, replace with 6mt/clutch
-install master and slave cylinders, bleed clutch line
-put it all back together
-replace propshaft with 6 mt unit
-replace diff with 6mt 4.11 diff
-replace cv axles with 6 mt axles
/done

Mine cost 4k with an upgraded clutch, and many small mistakes on my part

Right on the money, I'll be paying about $3,500 parts and labor with new flywheel and RS4 clutch. I should be picking it up within the next few hours.

[Mantis]

Right on the money, I'll be paying about $3,500 parts and labor with new flywheel and RS4 clutch. I should be picking it up within the next few hours.

That makes sense, cross border shipping totaled over 1k, and I ended up with an S4 diff first go round, and I tossed in a stage 3 clutch, purchased new CV axles, and changed tuning from GIAC to VAST

Did the labor myself thak god, or it would have been 5.5k

Sounds like you got the swap done at a really good rate, as stated earlier, if your guy has his crap together, it probably takes about 9hrs total

[A62TURBO]

That makes sense, cross border shipping totaled over 1k, and I ended up with an S4 diff first go round, and I tossed in a stage 3 clutch, purchased new CV axles, and changed tuning from GIAC to VAST

Did the labor myself thak god, or it would have been 5.5k

Sounds like you got the swap done at a really good rate, as stated earlier, if your guy has his crap together, it probably takes about 9hrs total

Honestly I was a little skeptical at first with his pricing, but I did my research and decided to take a shot with him. You don't even want to know what kind of quotes I was getting from other shops. I was originally going to do it at Redline speed works but they are too far.

[VJ's A6]

Greg - Did you get the car yet??

[A62TURBO]

VJ, I got it and I love it, 6 speed ftmfw!!!

[AMS autowerks]

Im glad your enjoying her Greg!!!!!!! if you love it now your going to cream once you go 605's and rods :)

[frazered]

vids and pictures would be really nice to see

[A62TURBO]

Im glad your enjoying her Greg!!!!!!! if you love it now your going to cream once you go 605's and rods :)

Its a brand new car for me Diego, thanks again for getting it back to me so quick!!!

[A62TURBO]

vids and pictures would be really nice to see

I'm gonna take some shots and post them today.

[wofman]

Wow! Your car was always looking good, but now .... Hey, ask Diego if I can have the console cup holder from the donor car!

BTW, mine is having the 150,000 mile engine refurb treatment along with brakes/rubber. Will be ready to join yours for a little spirited cruising (we have some rather similar mods, but your paint job is better).

W

[frazered]

I'm gonna take some shots and post them today.

nice one geezer

[A62TURBO]

Wow! Your car was always looking good, but now .... Hey, ask Diego if I can have the console cup holder from the donor car!

BTW, mine is having the 150,000 mile engine refurb treatment along with brakes/rubber. Will be ready to join yours for a little spirited cruising (we have some rather similar mods, but your paint job is better).

W

Thanks Warren, I'll ask Diego about the trim but I think the whole interior was already stripped. We definitely have to go for a cruise now, driving the A6 with a six speed is much more fun and brings the cars characteristics to life.

[VJ's A6]

congrats man.. Enjoy it..

[A62TURBO]

Heres a temporary interior shot, currently customizing rs6 shifter trim and locating a ash tray cover.

http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/dc256860.jpg

[frazered]

good lad, i quite like that darker rs6 trim

[jeffp477]

yet another satisfied 6pd swap owner... hmmmm.. really tempting....

[SleeperAvant]

Nice!

[patrick23]

yet another satisfied 6pd swap owner... hmmmm.. really tempting....

sooooo tempting-

this may be the beginning of the extinction of tiptronic

[A6Avant]

sooooo tempting-

this may be the beginning of the extinction of tiptronic

LOL

[G Men 08]

the c5... what a perfect car! I need another one :(

What are the benefits of your build as opposed to the traditional stage 3 k04 etc build?

[A62TURBO]

the c5... what a perfect car! I need another one :(

What are the benefits of your build as opposed to the traditional stage 3 k04 etc build?

Well the Tial 605's are able to put out more power and they are a bit cheaper at the moment compared to the K04's. Honestly I can go out and buy another car if I wanted to right now, but there is something about the C5's styling and tuning capabilities that I love. Now that it's a six speed too, I doubt I'll ever get rid of it.

[G Men 08]

ohh ok, That makes sense. Are you staying with the biturbo, or going 1 big?

And you are right about the styling and such with the c5. My c4 resembles my c5 as far as interior stuff goes so much it surprises me, but yet the c5 is much more refined and perfected.

[A62TURBO]

ohh ok, That makes sense. Are you staying with the biturbo, or going 1 big?

And you are right about the styling and such with the c5. My c4 resembles my c5 as far as interior stuff goes so much it surprises me, but yet the c5 is much more refined and perfected.

Yeah I'll most likely stay with the biturbo setup but I won't rule out a single turbo setup. The guy who did my swap is going to do a single turbo in his AR so I want to see how that goes.

[wofman]

Wow Greg congrats....

Its good to see all us OG A6's are finally going to be Stage 3 Status.. Wofman your on deck next [>_<]

I really have been mia with this Supra build but the road is at the end


I sure came close to pulling trigger, but pulled back and settled for 2+ status with replacement of K03s. In the end decided that the extra $ for fueling, intercoolers, on top of K04/manifold, etc. was too high for me in aftermath of Great Recession era. (Got some K03s for next to nothing)

So it's in shop getting cleaned up - seals all around, brakes, rubber.

W [drive]

[chrisbostonusmc]

I sure came close to pulling trigger, but pulled back and settled for 2+ status with replacement of K03s. In the end decided that the extra $ for fueling, intercoolers, on top of K04/manifold, etc. was too high for me in aftermath of Great Recession era. (Got some K03s for next to nothing)

So it's in shop getting cleaned up - seals all around, brakes, rubber.

W [drive]

Nice![cool] I feel ya..latley Ive been afraid to go past 15psi because I dont want anything to break!

[A62TURBO]

Picking up a nice 2.7 block this weekend from Gearhead (Mike) so I can start my build already. I'll post pics of the block as soon as I get it.

[bryzf1]

Picking up a nice 2.7 block this weekend from Gearhead (Mike) so I can start my build already. I'll post pics of the block as soon as I get it.

NICE! [wrench]

[up] [up]

[A62TURBO]

Picked up this bad boy today, 2 ton foldable engine stand. Gonna try to pick up the short block tomorrow. Sorry for the iPhone pics, I'll be using my DSLR for the build pics, and I will have plenty.

http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/ceb1ed3a.jpg
http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/4044e935.jpg

[A62TURBO]

Waiting on a couple of bolts I ordered to mount the block to the stand. Here it is, a very clean short block with pistons, rods, crank, and a few covers. Thanks again mike.

http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/c2c1eb2a.jpg

http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/ac23a4f4.jpg

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http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/d811d276.jpg

[Mantis]

Gearheads old block?

Looks like you are about to get serious about making power

[A62TURBO]

It's actually a spare block he was going to build, but I am serious about making some power with this. I'm still trying to decide wether I should go 605 or 770, since I'm staring this build from scratch it might be worth going all out........770's might be in my near future.

[Mantis]

Might as well go for the big guns if you are taking it all the way, the 770 doesn't cost that much more than the 605's

[A62TURBO]

Finally got the block bolted to the stand, what a pain in the ass with out a hoist.

http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/cc3eb07f.jpg
http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/a650386f.jpg

[Mantis]

Sure is a PITA, I did that once and will never do it again

[A62TURBO]

Got my IE rods and ARP 2000 bolts in today, gotta decide on pistons now.

http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/7f9ca9b1.jpg

[Sales@EPL]

We have been recommending 770s over 605s IF you are building the motor.

BTW i think that is the block out of my car??

Evan

[A62TURBO]

We have been recommending 770s over 605s IF you are building the motor.

BTW i think that is the block out of my car??

Evan

It all started out as a simple 605 build with only a few upgrades, but the mod bug has bitten me hard. I most likely will be going with the 770's now. Did you sell you block to Mike (Gearhead)? If yes, then it could be your block. He also recommended me to your machine shop, center auto. Once I get the pistons, I'll take a ride to ct and do the necessary machine work in order to put the short block back together.

[A62TURBO]

I took some better shots of my stuff when I got home from work tonight with my D90.

Some shots of my IE Rods:
http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/80b1257e.jpg
http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/08e6bfa0.jpg

Upper and lower oil pan I bought from a fellow audiziner:
http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/1659a97c.jpg
http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/b9ea437d.jpg

Intake manifold, fuel rail, front engine cover.
http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/2ebcdd20.jpg

Stockers.
http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/ef9f0fc1.jpg

ARP 2000 bolts.
http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/e2ab9fb3.jpg

What a difference, the IE rods compared to stock.
http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/7951ae76.jpg

My good friend.
http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/86b55dad.jpg

[A62TURBO]

Just got my pistons in 81.5 diameter and 9.0:1 compression, wrist pins, and rings thanks to wdbdy2000s4, also waiting for my 2.8 heads that he sent out separately. I should be ready for the machine shop as soon as I get a few more odds and ends together.
http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/4b87b053.jpg
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[julex]

Looks good!

[Mantis]

Nice work

[A62TURBO]

Thanks guys, can't wait to start assembling these parts but I have some time before that.

[gearhead1186]

just stumbled upon your thread. looking good! [up]

[A62TURBO]

Thanks Mike!

[Max@034]

Awesome dude!

What did you decide to do for the 2.8L heads (valvetrain)? Any specific goals you have?

[A62TURBO]

Awesome dude!

What did you decide to do for the 2.8L heads (valvetrain)? Any specific goals you have?
I was looking at your supertech kit, originally when I was going with the 605's the valve train was going to stay stock. I guess that idea is out the window. My goal is making the top end bullet proof at high rev's.

[Max@034]

I was looking at your supertech kit, originally when I was going with the 605's the valve train was going to stay stock. I guess that idea is out the window. My goal is making the top end bullet proof at high rev's.

I already responded to your other thread, and sent you a price, but I'm thinking about offering even a bit more!

And yeah, with 770s and your build, you are going to need a full valvetrain. I wouldn't go solid lifters, but everything else.

[gearhead1186]

hows everything coming along?

[A62TURBO]

Waiting for the heads to come in, then I gotta order full valve train. Brian at Center Auto gave me a list of exactly what I need to machine/balance everything. Hopefully I'll have the parts ready within a few weeks so I can head up to ct. and get my machine work done. I'm still stuck on hardware, since I bought the short block from you I need to sit down in front of ETK and piece together all the nuts and bolt for assembly.

[Eurotechnik]

forget brazzers, im enjoying this build much more

[hellrot98m3]

ever finish this thing? im trying to get a ride in a 770 car before i pull the trigger on them and im close to diegos shop

[A62TURBO]

I actually have this build on hold while I finish my stg 3 build. I will be looking to buy a high mileage S4 to transplant with all of these parts, and a set of 770's (or Single Turbo setup if 034 puts it into production soon).

My car as it sits now:

http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l439/a62turbo/DSC_0045.jpg