My Pet Snails Died Today.

[Austonwerner4]

So im running a giac ecu and pushing 21psi on k03s. I left highschool to go to work and a loud pop and lost a lot of power and now i can hear the drilling... I thought they would last until winter to do my build with tials, but now im going with FT K04s due to a budget now. I worked for about 4 hours today just by myself and thought I got pretty far.

FT K04s
Vast Fueling
JHM Front Mount
034 Downpipes
Vast Meth
Just the start of the list..

Finalized List:
PJK04s
JFonz Tune
EV14s 52
Vast Inlets
CX Racing Core
JHM Piping
SSAC Downpipes
E-Cutouts
Neuspeed Exhaust
Samco Hose Kit
ARP Bi-Pipe
RS4 Clutch
034 Mounts
M3 Lip
RS4 Reps

Heres some pictures.

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[joemomma]

Good luck with the build! whast the hell happened to the bumper?!

[Austonwerner4]

Bald tires in snow dont go to good... realized it a bit late when i was going backwards into a ditch

[B72.0tsline]

at least you can do the build yourself. if its me i'll have to labor plus parts.

[Austonwerner4]

Yeah the plan was to wait until senior year and use the schools lift all throughout winter but its a different game now.

[Sour]

smh

[Jung]

that sucks man. Your car was pretty much mine about 4 years ago, screwed up bumper and everything. Good luck for a fellow Wisconsinite!

[RedB5S4]

Props to you for doing the work yourself dood. I don't know what I'm gonna do when my turbos blow up. Probably cry a little bit, buy a bike to feel better about myself, and then start ripping everything apart to take out my turbos and rebuild them or do whatever I have money for at that point. Gahhhh decisions, decisions. Best of luck with the build meng [up]

[Drev500]

You are the same age as me when I did my first motor pull on the S. Good luck with it man. If your school was like mine we had access to All Data so I used that and Bently to help me out.

[s4-chicago]

looking good so far

[sherbet]

Props to you for doing the work yourself dood. I don't know what I'm gonna do when my turbos blow up. Probably cry a little bit, buy a bike to feel better about myself, and then start ripping everything apart to take out my turbos and rebuild them or do whatever I have money for at that point. Gahhhh decisions, decisions. Best of luck with the build meng [up]

can I get a hell yes for this. Same boat man. I've heard its pretty straightforward even for someone who doesnt really know what they are doing but I cant decide If im gonna want the labor done or do it myself...

[Austonwerner4]

And vasts website is down..

[spokismB5S4]

And vasts website is down..

call them.. your always better off calling

[Emilgevor]

Hey I feel the same thing is about to happen to me. I'm running GIAC93 on 17psi and KO3s started to whine this winter and now they are getting louder and louder. Inevitable is waiting to happen soon i suppose. Since I have no plans on going stage 3 I decided to keep it KO3 car and save money away towards B7 A4.

PS: Are your DVs sitting right? I thought they supposed to face eachother?

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http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2076/2001/30188500008_large.jpg

[DiscoPotato]

PS: Are your DVs sitting right? I thought they supposed to face eachother?


They work either way mounted. The way he has it mounted relieves kinks in the vacuum lines.

[Emilgevor]

They work either way mounted. The way he has it mounted relieves kinks in the vacuum lines.

???? Really
That makes no sense then?

[Austonwerner4]

can I get a hell yes for this. Same boat man. I've heard its pretty straightforward even for someone who doesnt really know what they are doing but I cant decide If im gonna want the labor done or do it myself...

Honestly I think it'll be pretty simple. Sure it's time consuming but well worth it and you learn a lot throughout the process. I don't have a big garage or a big tool box and I haven't had any problems yet.

[B6T]

Regardless of the orientation, the DV is opened by vacuum applied to the 'low pressure' side through the small vacuum hose. However, in the orientation shown on the silver car, the pressure surge between the throttle body and compressor outlet is aiding the piston/diaphragm to open which means it will open faster allowing the turbocharger(s) to keep flowing, and with less of a pressure surge on the compressor that everyone is so afraid of. I'd never run DVs any other way, regardless of what someone on the internet told me.

[Emilgevor]

Regardless of the orientation, the DV is opened by vacuum applied to the 'low pressure' side through the small vacuum hose. However, in the orientation shown on the silver car, the pressure surge between the throttle body and compressor outlet is aiding the piston/diaphragm to open which means it will open faster allowing the turbocharger(s) to keep flowing, and with less of a pressure surge on the compressor that everyone is so afraid of. I'd never run DVs any other way, regardless of what someone on the internet told me.

So you have them the same way as OP?

[sherbet]

Honestly I think it'll be pretty simple. Sure it's time consuming but well worth it and you learn a lot throughout the process. I don't have a big garage or a big tool box and I haven't had any problems yet.

what do you plan on using to hoist the motor out? And are you kind of just removing as you go or are you using some kind of a guide?

[Austonwerner4]

what do you plan on using to hoist the motor out? And are you kind of just removing as you go or are you using some kind of a guide?

I have a Matco hoist. I have a video on vimeo thats really good in detail. About 30 minutes long and a pdf that I downloaded

[Austonwerner4]

Regardless of the orientation, the DV is opened by vacuum applied to the 'low pressure' side through the small vacuum hose. However, in the orientation shown on the silver car, the pressure surge between the throttle body and compressor outlet is aiding the piston/diaphragm to open which means it will open faster allowing the turbocharger(s) to keep flowing, and with less of a pressure surge on the compressor that everyone is so afraid of. I'd never run DVs any other way, regardless of what someone on the internet told me.

Are my DVs on wrong?

[Jsmooth65]

When I did it, I just started disconnecting stuff until it was free. Its really simple once you get started.

[Austonwerner4]

When I did it, I just started disconnecting stuff until it was free. Its really simple once you get started.

Im going off your build too

[Jsmooth65]

LOL awesome! I hope the pictures of stuff helps.

[Austonwerner4]

They do for sure!
What are you running to the wheels?

[Austonwerner4]

Another question I have is, Where do you bolt the chain to from the hoist?

[Jsmooth65]

no idea what I am running to the wheels, I am still tuning.

There are loops on each head that you can run a long thick bolt into and then attach the chain to. Drivers side is towards the rear of the engine and passenger side is in the front.

[CruzS4]

good luck OP!

[bobos]

I hope you didnt just blow an intercooler hose off and are tearing the car apart for no reason.

[Dutchsider]

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/385189-Project-Papa-Smurf-Version-2.0-Better-Bigger-Badder

[RedB5S4]

can I get a hell yes for this. Same boat man. I've heard its pretty straightforward even for someone who doesnt really know what they are doing but I cant decide If im gonna want the labor done or do it myself...

Honestly, I think I could probably do it myself, but personally, I'd rather just get it done right the first time. Yeah, you're going to pay a shit ton of $$$ at a reputable shop for labor, but it's going to be done right. As far as going stage 3 at all goes, I just dumped about $2k into the car for timing belt, valve cover gaskets, cam tensioner seals, clutch, and some other odds and ends, so I know I have a reliable and well-maintained S4 for my daily driving needs right now. Instead of saving up ~$8k for a good stage 3 build, I think I'll buy a gixxer or something to satisfy my need to go fast. I'm more than happy with my GIAC stage 2 power for how I drive - to each his own though. Like I said, I'm just going to wait and see.


Honestly I think it'll be pretty simple. Sure it's time consuming but well worth it and you learn a lot throughout the process. I don't have a big garage or a big tool box and I haven't had any problems yet.

Sounds like you got it on lock brotha. Just take your time doing things the right way the first time. You'll thank yourself when you don't have to rip the whole car apart again because it's not running right. Goodluck man and be sure to keep the thread updated!

[bobos]

Regardless of the orientation, the DV is opened by vacuum applied to the 'low pressure' side through the small vacuum hose. However, in the orientation shown on the silver car, the pressure surge between the throttle body and compressor outlet is aiding the piston/diaphragm to open which means it will open faster allowing the turbocharger(s) to keep flowing, and with less of a pressure surge on the compressor that everyone is so afraid of. I'd never run DVs any other way, regardless of what someone on the internet told me.

But the blue car has them on the way they come from the factory.

[sherbet]

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Honestly, I think I could probably do it myself, but personally, I'd rather just get it done right the first time. Yeah, you're going to pay a shit ton of $$$ at a reputable shop for labor, but it's going to be done right. As far as going stage 3 at all goes, I just dumped about $2k into the car for timing belt, valve cover gaskets, cam tensioner seals, clutch, and some other odds and ends, so I know I have a reliable and well-maintained S4 for my daily driving needs right now. Instead of saving up ~$8k for a good stage 3 build, I think I'll buy a gixxer or something to satisfy my need to go fast. I'm more than happy with my GIAC stage 2 power for how I drive - to each his own though. Like I said, I'm just going to wait and see.



Yeah man, within the past 6 months Ive dumped $7k in maintenance/suspension and its killing me! But in terms of stage 3 yeah i would just be nervous that I would do something wrong and it would end up being catastrophic. I will eventually build it, but lets hope my K03s last until I can afford bigger turbos.

[RedB5S4]

I hear ya dood. I'm just saying, with the money that guys are dumping into these cars to go stage 3, I think I'd rather invest my money in something else like a bike or even just save the money. And it's not like you're getting your money back if you ever try to sell your car. Guys are taking like $6k-7k losses on their cars at this point. I don't know about you, but if I ever sell my car, I don't think I'll be willing to take that kind of hit.

[Scottie2LO]

nice bumper bro, we have the same one :P OEM snow mod

[USAF Long]

I hear ya dood. I'm just saying, with the money that guys are dumping into these cars to go stage 3, I think I'd rather invest my money in something else like a bike or even just save the money. And it's not like you're getting your money back if you ever try to sell your car. Guys are taking like $6k-7k losses on their cars at this point. I don't know about you, but if I ever sell my car, I don't think I'll be willing to take that kind of hit.

I think I'll just buy a stage 3 S4 someday. Let someone else take the financial hit on it. I could build mine up myself for a ton of money, or pick one up for like $14k that's already been done with all new parts. I may eventually replace mine with K04's or GT25's when my K03's die, but then it'll be a little while before I have the money for fueling. I don't know why the fueling is so expensive for these cars. If these were Mustangs we could toss in a 255 lph pump and a bigger MAF, and Bigger injectors for under $1000.

[RedB5S4]

I think I'll just buy a stage 3 S4 someday. Let someone else take the financial hit on it. I could build mine up myself for a ton of money, or pick one up for like $14k that's already been done with all new parts. I may eventually replace mine with K04's or GT25's when my K03's die, but then it'll be a little while before I have the money for fueling. I don't know why the fueling is so expensive for these cars. If these were Mustangs we could toss in a 255 lph pump and a bigger MAF, and Bigger injectors for under $1000.

Yeah I know. Honestly though, we can complain all we want about how expensive fueling or this and that is, but it's not going to get us anywhere. I don't really understand the point of going stage 3 and then selling the car 8k miles later. It's mostly people that try to cut corners and stuff, can't get the car to run right, get tired of dumping more money into it, and just sell it to someone so it's not their headache anymore. I don't understand the logic behind something like that - from a financial standpoint as well as doing all that work just to sell it...

I understand there are exceptions to the norm but shit, I don't think I've ever seen so many S4s for sale at once. Poorly built stage 3 cars aren't doing anything to help resale values of other S4s that are legitamately worth $14k-15k either. /rant

OP, anymore progress?

[Austonwerner4]

Yeah last night i had a friend come over and help. We worked for about 2.5 hours. We got the front section holding the radiator, the fan, belt, intercoolers and a few other things. No problems at all. Found out i had APR Bipipe. I need to do my valve gaskets. Also i plan on replacing every gasket and starter since its been making a strange noise. Drained the trans fluid and oil. Tonight Ill have the fuel lines off, exhaust off. Basically everything under the car. Ill have more pictures when i get home to see last nights progress. I got a engine stand today. I have a engine hoist but its being used in another build that my dad and i are doing, so i have to pick up a friends tomorrow morning. I plan on having the engine out this weekend.

Im confused about the power streering... HELP
Also what do compression dropping head gaskets do?

Heres the other project at the time...
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/_DSC1432.jpg
88 Foxbody.Chevy 350. When complete itll have about 700 to the wheels plus nitrous.

[RedB5S4]

^ Scary.

[S4inMN]

I hope you didnt just blow an intercooler hose off and are tearing the car apart for no reason.

this was the first thought in my head when i read the first post

[Austonwerner4]

Heres the pictures from last night.
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Today I unbolted the exhaust, took off the plate covering the driveshaft, removed injectors and such, removed coils and spark plugs and a few other things.
Tomorrow the engine will be out!!!

[Sscott09]

I did mine by myself and im about to do it again due to getting bad used k04s and it wasnt that bad at all.

[Austonwerner4]

So close to being out...
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[Austonwerner4]

Small problem!
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[Austonwerner4]

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[Kobra_Kommander]

Mad props for doing the work yourself! I've been hearing a bit of the dentist drill, but only when the car is cold. Looks like I'll be hot on the heels of you guys soon enough.

[Austonwerner4]

Thanks a lot! Its been a fun project so far, and its my first engine pull.

[IVRINGS]

Don't forget to get another fan blade when you are ordering stuff. You are missing one in those last set of pics if you look or didn't notice.

[Austonwerner4]

Yeah thats on the list of broken parts

[Austonwerner4]

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[kbjy11]

good stuff...

why did you pull off the heads?

[Austonwerner4]

Lowering compression head gaskets.

[Breecem]

The only thing Ive ever done in the engine bay is install a cold air intake on my bros BMW...i would be sooo fucked if this happened to me. Where the fuck do i learn how to do this shit?

[Peter1.8t]

The only thing Ive ever done in the engine bay is install a cold air intake on my bros BMW...i would be sooo fucked if this happened to me. Where the fuck do i learn how to do this shit?

You probably shouldn't own an s4 then.

[Breecem]

You probably shouldn't own an s4 then.

I don't even have my tune enabled and im at 72,000 miles and I baby the shit out of it and ALL the maintenance is completely up to date. Ive got time.

[Euromike]

I don't even have my tune enabled and im at 72,000 miles and I baby the shit out of it and ALL the maintenance is completely up to date. Ive got time.
you better knock on some wood man.

oh, and slow A4's ftw.

[Breecem]

you better knock on some wood man.

I know right lol.

[S4 00 2.7]

Nice! I would like to learn how to do this as well.

[dubzackvr6]

The only thing Ive ever done in the engine bay is install a cold air intake on my bros BMW...i would be sooo fucked if this happened to me. Where the fuck do i learn how to do this shit?

You have very advanced ways of expressing yourself :P. Lol.

[bigern45]

you are going with FT's.. right? why would you do this?? now your dd is gonna lose low end.. just inquiring...
Lowering compression head gaskets.

[DiscoPotato]

I like this build. Its done well.

Don't understand the HG's though.

[Drev500]

Ya on a build using FT's lower comp. HG's are useless. You may think you can run more boost, but you'll be running the FT's our of their efficency range and most likely be over boosting them. Stick to the stock head gaskets.

[CELison]

Ya on a build using FT's lower comp. HG's are useless. You may think you can run more boost, but you'll be running the FT's our of their efficency range and most likely be over boosting them. Stick to the stock head gaskets.
x2 also part of the joy of a tt v6 is not needing to get into boost during normal driving.

[ThirdStrike]

can I get a hell yes for this. Same boat man. I've heard its pretty straightforward even for someone who doesnt really know what they are doing but I cant decide If im gonna want the labor done or do it myself...

Just do it yourself. Seriously.

[Breecem]

You have very advanced ways of expressing yourself :P. Lol.

I cuss alot when im nervous lol. :P

[DiscoPotato]

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ROFLCOPTER

[Austonwerner4]

you are going with FT's.. right? why would you do this?? now your dd is gonna lose low end.. just inquiring...

Will I really? I didnt here that until just now. So I should go with just regular gaskets?

[Austonwerner4]

Going with stock head gaskets

Does anyone have a set of headbolts that they have, new of course

[DiscoPotato]

Will I really? I didnt here that until just now. So I should go with just regular gaskets?

Yes. Sell the lowering comp gaskets.

[Austonwerner4]

Good thing I just read this. I was about to order them from 034

[Austonwerner4]

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[Austonwerner4]

Thanks to member Manny, I picked up a set of RS4 reps.

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[witwer4444]

hmmmmm, i may need to make a trip to WI when mine go...

[Austonwerner4]

Its a fun project, im more than willing to help

[Audi4952]

I had a blown k04 in my car I know how much F***ing work that is. Good luck to you man looks like your doing a good job.

[Austonwerner4]

Thanks!

[spokismB5S4]

I think I'll just buy a stage 3 S4 someday. Let someone else take the financial hit on it. I could build mine up myself for a ton of money, or pick one up for like $14k that's already been done with all new parts. I may eventually replace mine with K04's or GT25's when my K03's die, but then it'll be a little while before I have the money for fueling. I don't know why the fueling is so expensive for these cars. If these were Mustangs we could toss in a 255 lph pump and a bigger MAF, and Bigger injectors for under $1000.

YOU CAN!!! You don't have to buy a kit. You can get injectors and a pump for 500, and a maf housing and maf hose for way under 500. Then you just need a tune.

[Austonwerner4]

Yes easily done... but you have to add in a tune

[killercamacho]

Props man. This is some good stuff. I'll probably be doing the same sooner or later

[Austonwerner4]

Thanks

[DiscoPotato]

Going with stock head gaskets

Does anyone have a set of headbolts that they have, new of course

PM sent

[Austonwerner4]

My head gaskets and head bolts will be in tomorrow thanks to VAST. A few questions...
Whats the torque spec for the bolts and the pattern?
Also should I clean the tops of the pistons off or leave them, if so, how?

[tosh2.7]

I didnt realize this was a build thread...awesome work man, gonna be pulling mine out soon too

[Austonwerner4]

Goodluck sir!
yeah i wish i could change the title

[tosh2.7]

Yea I should have mine done fairly quick. I'll be doing it at work(VW dealer) so I have a table and all my tools right there. plus its always fun to do work with the shop foreman and a nice six pack lol (only with our cars[>_<])

[Austonwerner4]

Yeah my plan was doing it this winter at school where id have the lift and every tool possible, but tool wise, i havent needed anything special. Machined my own cam lock bar in 2 hours, so i havent had any troubles

[tosh2.7]

Yea looks like its gonna pretty smoothly. I don't remember if you stated you got a clutch or motor mounts. Mightve just over looked it

[Austonwerner4]

I have not clue what im going to go with for a DD Clutch.... Im thinking just the stage 3 set up from vast and a lwfw. That says up to 500HP. I know ill have low 400s to the wheels. So its borderline, because ill have almost 500 to the crank so im not sure. and 034 motormounts

[tosh2.7]

yea I ordered the VAST stage 3 clutch with resurfaced flywheel, It suppose to be the cats-ass. You also have a PM

[Austonwerner4]

Yeah and it seems to be a great price...
why not a lwfw?

[bigern45]

Yeah and it seems to be a great price...
why not a lwfw?its a bit more difficult to DD, IMO.. maybe the faster reving/throttle blipping downshifts of the lwfw didnt out-weigh the pros of his stock flywheel??

[Austonwerner4]

So would you recomend a resurfaced one instead?

[Jsmooth65]

getting used to the lwfw can be a little tricky, its a little like go-or-no on the clutch feel.

[Drev500]

For your head bolt specs, the bolts are to be tightened to 60nm. Once tightened to 60nm turn them 90 degrees and then repeat by turning them another 90 degrees to make a full 180 degrees. Tighten the bolts following this sequence:

6 2 3 7
8 4 1 5

EDIT: I forgot to mention but like how I mentioned about doing the 180 degree turn in two stages, I also do the 60nm torque spec in two stages. So I go through the tightening sequence 4 times. Just an FYI. Good luck brotha.

[bigern45]

honestly, i love my cm setup with lwfw.. im just giving you reasons as to why HE may have stayed OEM resurfaced.. i would only recommend a resurfaced one if youre a jive turkey...
So would you recomend a resurfaced one instead?

[S-Power]

For the guys who are thinking about doing a motor pull yourself, Just remember pulling it out is effort less. Putting it back in, in one peice is the difficult part.

[Austonwerner4]

For the guys who are thinking about doing a motor pull yourself, Just remember pulling it out is effort less. Putting it back in, in one peice is the difficult part.

Yeah I bet, and im sure things are missed from the excitement of being done soon...

[DiscoPotato]

For the guys who are thinking about doing a motor pull yourself, Just remember pulling it out is effort less. Putting it back in, in one peice is the difficult part.

Yup.. Make sue youre doing it with another person to guide it.


So would you recomend a resurfaced one instead?

I took my flywheel out and brought it to a shop and had them resurface it.. Cost me 20 bucks.

[Austonwerner4]

Yeah ill have help for sure when throwing it back it....

and yeah resurfaced is the way to go for my kind of driving

[Drev500]

The shop I took my FW to get resurfaced messed up the centeral bearing in the FW. I would inspect and possibly replace just so you don;t have an annoying growling sound.

[Austonwerner4]

Thanks good to know!

[tosh2.7]

I took my flywheel out and brought it to a shop and had them resurface it.. Cost me 20 bucks.
The VAST stage 3 needs their resurfaced to be installed. they made the OEM flywheel beef cake.

[Austonwerner4]

is there stage 3 good enough to handle 400-430 to the wheels. I wont ever launch from a dead stop.

[S-Power]

CM FX400 is the best stage3+ k04 Power clutch Period.

[Austonwerner4]

CM FX400 is the best stage3+ k04 Power clutch Period.

link?

[Austonwerner4]

Heads are put back on with RS4 gaskets and a new set of bolts.
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/d6465cd1.jpg


Has anyone ported the inside of their intake manifold?
It seems really easy to do. Its $300 through VAST... I know the gains are minimal but its free because I can do it myself. How would I port my throttle body when theres not much material to play with?

https://vastperformance.com/index.php/products/audi/audi-b5-s4-1998-2002/intake-1/porting-polishing-of-intake-manifold-2-7t.html

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/f087bae2.jpg

[Austonwerner4]

How do people like the 034 or JHM Center Diff? Ill probably be ordering one soon.

[Austonwerner4]

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/519dfef6.jpg

[papuc14369]

I have a Matco hoist. I have a video on vimeo thats really good in detail. About 30 minutes long and a pdf that I downloaded

got a link to the video and guide?

I've been debating weather to do this myself or just have someone else do it.

[Dub Bastard]

u put franken turbos? how do they run? how did you tune it? thanks

[RedB5S4]

u put franken turbos? how do they run? how did you tune it? thanks

I think he's running PJK04s.

[Austonwerner4]

got a link to the video and guide?

I've been debating weather to do this myself or just have someone else do it.

http://vimeo.com/5238276

Its very straight forward. It is a lot of work, but you're able to do it with basic skills. Its my first pull and I have had minimal problems.

[Austonwerner4]

I found a set of Borg k04s that I might go pick up, or buy new Frankens

[30vQuattro]

I'd go Franken if I was you. K04's are fun, but old stuff.. Buy new and experience a different set up that not a whole lot of people have. I have the stasis 4:1 diff and I love it! If you have money don't think twice...

[Austonwerner4]

Its just hard to choose what I want. I'm trying to be different than most of the k04 people but you're right. It's old stuff and so many people are similar. And with the center diff, I'm for sure getting it

[RedB5S4]

I'm not sure how K04s are old stuff here... Yes, they've been tested countless times on countless different vehicles, but I'm not sure how that makes them "old". While the FrankenTurbos look like they're turning into a good alternative to OEM K04 turbos, there is no way that the two can even be compared right now. Performance is very similar between the two, the only difference being that the K04s are an extremely reliable option for those looking to upgrade their turbos.

OP, I was under the impression that you already bought your turbos. If you haven't then you might want to look into FTs. I'm just saying that there is nothing wrong with going with a tried and true stage 3 setup on K04s. Why do you think so many people have gone that route already?

[CELison]

I went from k04s to Fts. (FOD thanks to my air filter collapsing) I ran them both on a giac 3- tune. FTs spooled quicker but power felt about the same. Now I'm running 25psi on my FTs and the car feels faster than any k04 car I have been in. Reliability so far with the 1.8 guys has been great, hopefully the 2.7 crowd will have the same results

[NOTORIOUS VR]

^^^ Have you ever been in a K04 car that is running 25psi? I'm pretty sure most don't run that much boost in the first place.

What tune are you running? Any track or dyno #'s to verify butt dyno feelings?

[CELison]

No I haven't. 22psi, So I couldn't tell you the difference between a k04 car @25psi vs a Ft car @25psi. I don't know of many guys running 25+ psi on k04s. I know they are out there, I just don't know anyone personally. It's Custom tune from Josh. Only been a full stage 3 set up for a week so only going off the butt dyno for now. Planning on having the car on the rollers soon though.

[NOTORIOUS VR]

No I haven't. 22psi, So I couldn't tell you the difference between a k04 car @25psi vs a Ft car @25psi. I don't know of many guys running 25+ psi on k04s. I know they are out there, I just don't know anyone personally

That's what I mean [:)] there are some out there that do, and from what I've seen their cars/logs/vids are pretty impressive.

Also you're not worried about pushing the limits of the FT's K04 based frame? You do have an ebay FMIC core, plug long piping... @ 25psi @ the IM you're probably looking at closer to 28psi at the turbo outlet. Just sayin'

[RedB5S4]

I can't really understand this debate between K04s and FTs... yet. Stage 3 K04 setups have been used on our cars for 10+ years now. They're obviously reliable, make decent power for the money, and of course, are an OEM replacement. While FTs seem to be holding up pretty well, there is no way they can even be compared to K04s as to how long their going to last at XXpsi. Yes, the 1.8T guys have been running them for about 2 years with minimal problems. Great. Last time I checked, that platform was nowhere near being similar to the 2.7T. Could just be me.

[papuc14369]

http://vimeo.com/5238276

Its very straight forward. It is a lot of work, but you're able to do it with basic skills. Its my first pull and I have had minimal problems.


Ah I've sen this video before. Still not convinced I wanna pull the motor myself.

[Austonwerner4]

It's easy, you just need to take it slow and take your time so nothing breaks

[Dutchsider]

Ah I've sen this video before. Still not convinced I wanna pull the motor myself.

With the right tools and a little know-how, it really is a pretty simple sets of tasks to pull the motor. Read RONDAL's thread

[Dutchsider]

It's easy, you just need to take it slow and take your time so nothing breaks

The spider hose, will break [:D]

[witwer4444]

I'm not sure how K04s are old stuff here... Yes, they've been tested countless times on countless different vehicles, but I'm not sure how that makes them "old". While the FrankenTurbos look like they're turning into a good alternative to OEM K04 turbos, there is no way that the two can even be compared right now. Performance is very similar between the two, the only difference being that the K04s are an extremely reliable option for those looking to upgrade their turbos.

OP, I was under the impression that you already bought your turbos. If you haven't then you might want to look into FTs. I'm just saying that there is nothing wrong with going with a tried and true stage 3 setup on K04s. Why do you think so many people have gone that route already?


I can't really understand this debate between K04s and FTs... yet. Stage 3 K04 setups have been used on our cars for 10+ years now. They're obviously reliable, make decent power for the money, and of course, are an OEM replacement. While FTs seem to be holding up pretty well, there is no way they can even be compared to K04s as to how long their going to last at XXpsi. Yes, the 1.8T guys have been running them for about 2 years with minimal problems. Great. Last time I checked, that platform was nowhere near being similar to the 2.7T. Could just be me.

Ummmm....

[gablks4]

Impressive...your in high school and your doing a KO4 upgrade?! My hats off to you, you deserve to drive a b5 s4!

[Don Supreme]

^^^ Have you ever been in a K04 car that is running 25psi? I'm pretty sure most don't run that much boost in the first place.

What tune are you running? Any track or dyno #'s to verify butt dyno feelings?

Well thats also because it takes 90% duty cycle to hold 21 psi @ red line on a ko4, where it takes 75-78% to do the same with an FT... working the ko4 super hard @ 25 psi hold, but people do it.

[Austonwerner4]

Impressive...your in high school and your doing a KO4 upgrade?! My hats off to you, you deserve to drive a b5 s4!

Yes it'll be my senior year coming up. And absolutely no help from my parents. My mom calls it a pile of junk that needs to get out of her garage. Thanks. You guys have been a lot of help

[Austonwerner4]

The spider hose, will break [:D]

Yes simple tools and time will get it done! The only thing that scares me is hooking up the shift linkage back to the trans.

Yes that spider hose....

[Dutchsider]

Yes simple tools and time will get it done! The only thing that scares me is hooking up the shift linkage back to the trans.

why does it scare you?

[Austonwerner4]

why does it scare you?

I just feel like I'll think I have it hooked up right and I'll put everything back together and start my car and it won't shift

[papuc14369]

With the right tools and a little know-how, it really is a pretty simple sets of tasks to pull the motor. Read RONDAL's thread

Got a link?

[Austonwerner4]

Search for it. It's in his signature I think also.

[NOTORIOUS VR]

Well thats also because it takes 90% duty cycle to hold 21 psi @ red line on a ko4, where it takes 75-78% to do the same with an FT... working the ko4 super hard @ 25 psi hold, but people do it.

Duty cycle could also be because of how efficient the FT's WG ports are compared to the KKK's

[Don Supreme]

Duty cycle could also be because of how efficient the FT's WG ports are compared to the KKK's

This is true.

[Dutchsider]

I just feel like I'll think I have it hooked up right and I'll put everything back together and start my car and it won't shift

It's only a couple of bolts that hold the actual linkage and stabilizer rod to the tranny. Unless you are rushing through it, which it doesn't seem that you are, it's pretty difficult to miss. [:)]

And for Papuc

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/385189-Project-Papa-Smurf-Version-2.0-Better-Bigger-Badder

[Austonwerner4]

[QUOTE=Dutchsider;6703234]It's only a couple of bolts that hold the actual linkage and stabilizer rod to the tranny. Unless you are rushing through it, which it doesn't seem that you are, it's pretty difficult to miss. [:)]

Okay thanks for a confidence builder haha.

[DiscoPotato]

I just feel like I'll think I have it hooked up right and I'll put everything back together and start my car and it won't shift

Align it?

[Austonwerner4]

Align it?

How?

[Dutchsider]

http://audishifter.com/videos/B5_A4-S4-Passat_install_vid.wmv

[Austonwerner4]

Just ordered more parts...
Front Mount
Snub Mount and Gaskets like no other...

[Drev500]

Yes it'll be my senior year coming up. And absolutely no help from my parents. My mom calls it a pile of junk that needs to get out of her garage. Thanks. You guys have been a lot of help

Ha ha thats awesome. I did my motor pull the summer before my senior year of hikeschool and my parents would call it the paper weight since it didn't move from the garage for awhile. When she fires up your going to have the biggest grin on your face.

[DiscoPotato]

Ha ha thats awesome. I did my motor pull the summer before my senior year of hikeschool and my parents would call it the paper weight since it didn't move from the garage for awhile. When she fires up your going to have the biggest grin on your face.

This.

[Austonwerner4]

Yeah I can't wait any longer..

[Drev500]

How much more do you have left? Have you ordered turbos yet?

[Austonwerner4]

Im getting turbos, inlets and downpipes this week. Then shortly it will be back in!!!!

[papuc14369]

And for Papuc

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/385189-Project-Papa-Smurf-Version-2.0-Better-Bigger-Badder

Thank you!

[Austonwerner4]

Its only a rough
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/photo-34.jpg

[Austonwerner4]

Thanks to khj677turbo! Just have to order one more!
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/photo-35.jpg

[Austonwerner4]

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/photo-36.jpg

[Austonwerner4]

After sorting the whole turbo situation out. They're finally in the mail. Theyll be here on Friday if not sooner. I went with BW K04s. Clutch will be in tomorrow. I just went with a RS4 clutch only because I don't launch or any of that. It's cheap for now. Until I get motor mounts. I'm just going to use threaded rod with some bolts and washers so I can get the engine back in. The flywheel will be done tomorrow.

[sherbet]

Good call on the BW's. At least you know they'll be very reliable at reasonable boost levels.

[Austonwerner4]

Everything was delivered. Just waiting on flywheel bolts. Inlets from VAST. And the shop to finish my flywheel.

[Austonwerner4]

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/_DSC0640.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/_DSC0642.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/_DSC0641.jpg

Mounted wrong.. Still wondering why.
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/_DSC0648-1.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/_DSC0646.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/_DSC0647.jpg

[papuc14369]

I still have those motor mounts if you are interested.

[Austonwerner4]

The turbos just needed to be reclocked.
Now I'm just waiting on my flywheel.

[Austonwerner4]

Flywheel bolts and banjo bolts are on the way in. Then finally the motor can go back in!

[Austonwerner4]

We worked for about 5 hours today and got a lot done. All turbo lines and coolant lines are connected. Intake manifold is all bolted up. The clutch, flywheel is complete. The trans is on. The project is finally winding down and the enoine should be in this weekend. Pictures to follow..

[Dutchsider]

Its a great feeling finishing up a job like this.

[Austonwerner4]

Yes. My smile gets a bit bigger everyday

[S4 00 2.7]

Congrats. Job has been clean.

[Austonwerner4]

Today it is finally in and ready for all the conections. Got the alt and ac comp done. Belt on. Only things left is, downpipes and injectors. Boltings half shafts and drive shaft. Front end. Piping the FMIC. and Electric connections.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/a050d35c.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/17e43f3e.jpg

Is it okay that the clutch fan is missing a blade...... I know I should replace it

The black car is another project that was just started this week. Yes its a turboed civic.... Not mine. Its a friends.

[killerkali]

Id just remove the clutch fan and get an electric one.

Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

[S4 00 2.7]

Replace fan...its broken.

[Austonwerner4]

Do you have a link for the fan? Or how would that even work cause it's belt driven...

[Austonwerner4]

Got my half and drive shaft bolted up. All interior stuff is hooked up like boost gauge and shifter. Snub mount is fitted. Just little things left.

How does the hose/pipe go...?
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/300fcec1.jpg

[zillarob]

Power steering pump to reservoir?

[Austonwerner4]

It comes off the black pipe running across front of the car and ends by the oil filter

[zillarob]

Ahh, coolant hose. Will be a little tight getting the bolt in the bracket on the head with the motor in.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DO_TOCJwWJk/Tni1Fs_xBDI/AAAAAAAAAdI/FPUojH4830o/coolhose.JPG

[Austonwerner4]

Thanks I'll figure it out tonight. I want to get the front end all on

[S.Line.Power]

my highschool project was a 240sx with a blacktop sr20det swap. im 24 now and i just did my s4 motor pull last week and it was probably the easiest motor pull ive ever done. this thing is really made to come in and out. props to you for the talent and patience mang. im going my fueling and stuff this week, and maybe even pulling my valve cover and intake for a wrinkle red paint job similar to yours. feel free to pm me if you have any questions since i literally just did this entire thing.

[00SantorinS4]

Do you have a link for the fan? Or how would that even work cause it's belt driven...

Here's a stock fan blade on ebaymotors. It would bug the F out of me to not replace that fan especially since all the work that's been done to your motor...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/COOLING-FAN-BLADE-Audi-A6-A4-S4-PASSAT-2-7-2-8-98-04-/280740555745?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item415d70ebe1
$25 bucks if you buy it now.. peanuts.

[Austonwerner4]

Yes it is very simple. It is just a project with small simple tasks. Just a lot of the


I'll order that fan blade tonight.

[andream88]

why did you ditch the cambelt covers?

[Austonwerner4]

Didn't put them on yet

[Austonwerner4]

Injectors and intercooler piping should be in soon.
Going with a J-Fonz tune

[split71]

Injectors and intercooler piping should be in soon.
Going with a J-Fonz tune

What made you consider the J fonz tune? Im looking into this as well

[DiscoPotato]

Got my half and drive shaft bolted up. All interior stuff is hooked up like boost gauge and shifter. Snub mount is fitted. Just little things left.

How does the hose/pipe go...?
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/300fcec1.jpg

Oh GOD. I did the same thing. Good freaking luck. Its impossible to put back in.

[00SantorinS4]

Oh GOD. I did the same thing. Good freaking luck. Its impossible to put back in.

With will and determination, nothing's impossible. [>_<]

[Austonwerner4]

I had good luck with my stage 2 tune from them. So I'll be going with them again.

Also any ideas to help? It goes on the back of the engine right?

[Austonwerner4]

Got that coolant line on with no problems or removing anything at all.

Front end is sort of put together

IMG]http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/f8cb9c70.jpg[/IMG]

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/20a9c48d.jpg

[Austonwerner4]

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/f8cb9c70.jpg

[Austonwerner4]

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/_DSC1025.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/_DSC1020.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/_DSC1019.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/_DSC1021.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/_DSC1026.jpg

[S4 00 2.7]

Looking good!

[Austonwerner4]

Thanks

[witwer4444]

exactly how i want to do my valve covers!

Looks good man [up]

[Austonwerner4]

Thanks!

[Austonwerner4]

Im looking for a Stage 3 ECU for my 2000 6 speed...
and Downpipes...

[Ladderman22]

Great - now that you're about done with your car maybe you can finally give me my money back...

[Austonwerner4]

Started the car finally! Only had two small problems.

Oil cooler was leaking. Removed it and put it back on with the rubber seal on straight and no problems

Second the no oil pressure light kept coming on but I drained the oil and it was gone...

[witwer4444]

So, all is fixed? Shes up and running?

[Austonwerner4]

Yeah I'm going to go for a short drive today. Nothing fun or exciting though.

[Quattro_2.7tt]

Nice work! Props. This looks like it went pretty smooth compared to my motor pull. I got in a bad car wreck and the motor was already out of my car. Car sat for months. When i went back to it i could barely remember where anything went. It was a nightmare. Next time i'll be prepared. I hear some turbo whine from my car so could be soon!

[Austonwerner4]

Thanks. Sorry to here that. It is a lot of memorization if you don't take pictures of every little detail.

[Audi4952]

R.I.P Snails.

[sluslu]

This is awesome wish I had another car to drive while doing a build, or atleast the money to go stage 3.

[DiscoPotato]

I drove a 300 dollar volvo I spraypainted while doing my car.

[Austonwerner4]

I've learned not to rush and that I need to take my time although I miss driving my car

Here's the final parts list:
BW K04s
Vast Inlets
EV14 52#
Custom 90mm Intake
034 Track Mounts
JHM FMIC
SSAC Downpipes
DHM E-Cutouts
J-Fonz Tune with AntiLag, Coded o2 and EGT
RS4 Reps
M3 Lip
Plasti-Dipped Trim Pieces
Aluminum Trim to be installed still.

[Austonwerner4]

I forgot to add
APR Bi-Pipe
Samco Hoses

Along with all gaskets...

Future plans:
Aquamist meth
4:1 Center Diff
Adams Brake Kit
Coilovers

[Austonwerner4]

*Forgot to add
APR Bi-Pipe
Samco Hoses
RS4 Clutch

Also picked up a new bumper!! It's cactus but it'll be out for paint soon.*

Along with all gaskets

Future:
Aquamist
ER sidemounts
Adams brake kit
ARD Downpipes
Coilovers

[pit viper]

I'm parting out a stage 3 A6, including my HFS-6 Aquamist system and ER side mounts.

[Austonwerner4]

Sorry. I'll be looking to buy in spring.

[Austonwerner4]

So while waiting for my tune and piping.... I did some extreme cleaning. Also I'm glad I bought a universal piping kit as well so I might be able to run my fogs still!

Back to cleaning...

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/8a2ba82d.jpg

[Austonwerner4]

Its never looked so clean before

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/e44594e2.jpg

M3 Lip

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/8e207dc6.jpg

Heres where the problem lays now....
How do I hook up the piping from the intercooler to the turbo. The pass side is to short and I dont understand the drivers side at all....

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/697039b3.jpg

Drivers Side

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/91413d2a.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/91413d2a.jpg

[Austonwerner4]

So far so good! Car seems to be running strong. I need to pressure test it to find my tiny coolant leak. I'll be buying Vagcom so I can get deeper into the system.

I'll post a video when I get a friends gopro.

[kracka]

What is your previous automotive experience? Have you done motor pulls in the past?

[Austonwerner4]

Nothing really besides oil, suspension, and other little odds and ends on this car. First motor pull ever. Internet is a great resource for doing it and take lots of high res pictures.

[S4 00 2.7]

So while waiting for my tune and piping.... I did some extreme cleaning. Also I'm glad I bought a universal piping kit as well so I might be able to run my fogs still!

Back to cleaning...

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/8a2ba82d.jpg

Its going to look good. My car came with the same shift knob when I got it.

[Austonwerner4]

Yeah it fits really nice in my palm. Only bad side is you can't touch it in winter...

[dubzackvr6]

that's what she said.

[S4 00 2.7]

Yeah it fits really nice in my palm. Only bad side is you can't touch it in winter...

I couldnt touch it in the summer, either.

Why dont you check out the delrin knob from JHM? I recommend it. I can safely touch my knob even when its 105* outside.

[Austonwerner4]

I just deal with it....

[nJoy]

I just deal with it....

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/7/17/c0b21e28-dfd7-4dd4-840a-db8f2b3c4b8f.gif

[Austonwerner4]

Just like not having heated seats in Wisconsin... Deal with it.

[kracka]

Nothing really besides oil, suspension, and other little odds and ends on this car. First motor pull ever. Internet is a great resource for doing it and take lots of high res pictures.

I see,

Thats pretty much what i've done, and I might just do the work myself (I have to pull the engine) to save a load of money...

How long did it take you to get it out, and back in?

[Austonwerner4]

Yeah it's simple.. just takes patience and time. I think it took about 20 hours or so to pull it. Thats with a few breaks here and there. I didnt do it all at once. And putting it in seemed much easier than pulling it out.

[dubzackvr6]

That's almost always the case, especially the first time around. You remember how it came apart, so it goes together smoother/faster.

[Austonwerner4]

Here's a short video of the Anti-Lag. Open downpipes.
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/limeboy004/c1961e42.mp4

[Austonwerner4]

Maybe this one will work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lljnSroneZI&sns=em

[Ribbie]

Was your foot on the floor the whole time or letting up?

[Austonwerner4]

I was letting off.

[Ogalt]

Very inspiring build, nice!

[zdriver]

I needdddd anti-lag

Pm'ing J-fonz

[Austonwerner4]

It's fun to show people but other than that I just remembered I had it today and I've only been driving for 400 miles.

Had an issue with my EV14s. Didn't put the stock lower orings on them and had a major vacuum leak.

[sherbet]

that anti lag is very cool. sounds great too man[up]

[Austonwerner4]

Thanks!!

[nothingbutwin]

sick build! just went through all 6 pages. how do you like the j-fonz tune? is it 93 or E85?

[Austonwerner4]

It's 93 octane. So far I really like it. I have yet to log it. I need Vagcom...

[Austonwerner4]

1000 miles on the car so far. Ive been averaging 24mpg some how...

Other updates.

I have a vacuum leak that needs attention. it sits at about 13Hg

Added mudflaps, coolant flush, power steering cooler. Few other odds and ends but its running great.