Tyrolsport Drift B5

[mikmot]

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[mikmot]

This project was started in the spring of 2010 - it is still in its developmental stages.
This execution of a purpose built b5 seems to be a first in the U.S. Therefore, there is very limited information as to how to develop a drift B5, and so, any feedback and constructive criticism is welcome.



Engine:
GT2871 VBand Turbo / External Gate
Maestro7 software
Tyrolsport upgraded side mount intercooler
Custom lightweight 3in VBand exhaust

Drivetrain:
Custom modifications to convert to RWD performed by Tyrolsport.
034/Apikol rear diff mount with "race" poly
Southbend one piece steel flywheel with stock rated unsprung clutch disc
Stern race "snub", engine, trans mounts


Suspension/Steering
Tein custom coilovers with adjustable dampers.
Spring rate: 800lb(F) 1000lb(R)
Modified suspension pickup points for additional camber
Modified steering uprights for additional steering/drift angle
HSport front and rear sway bars


Brakes
Tyrolsport Brake Stiff. Kit.
Combination of Hawk 9012 "blue" and stock audi pads depending on the track.


Wheels:
SSR Competition Type C 17X8.5
or a combination of stock wheels during practice days.


Tires:
Hankook S3 or Falken RT615


Safety:
Recaro Profi XL drivers seat


Weight Reduction:
Bone stock original weigh in = 3295lbs
Latest weigh in = 2998
Still need to measure the weight again without the sunroof.

Coming Soon...(Watch for frequent updates)
6 Point roll cage performed by Tyrolsport to come during this winter off season.

Latest Vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3VyGdLv-dk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49csQ9XFOKs

[Dan[FN]6262]

became a fan

[CrtchRktRcr]

oh sweet.. more pics

[zrowcool]

arent you from tyrolsport? sick car. hope i can pass by and see it sometime.

[S4 Big Head]

I remember when I went to tyrol sport to get my car chipped and I found out that thing was RWD.. I was shocked and went into the office to watch a few of your drifting videos with the workers there [:p]

[fazda]

awesome!!

[bigblue]

Looks like the s4 I saw at the drift event last month at lebanon valley speedway.

http://www.choochoodebut.com/comics/drift_faction_LVD_013.jpg

[raaab2536]

^that's an a4

[A4Rob]

Did you modify the steering rack to allow further turning? Looks great btw..

[A4Rob]

Also, when you start a build thread a Moderator will move it into the build section. Go ahead and start it and I will move it for you.

[EErie B6]

^that's an a4

the S4 is the one in the background...

[mikmot]

Looks like the s4 I saw at the drift event last month at lebanon valley speedway.



its an a4, that was my car at lebanon, and i will be there this month again.
the first pic was at englishtown clubloose ECB this past weekend.

[mikmot]

arent you from tyrolsport? sick car. hope i can pass by and see it sometime.

the car is the tyrolsport drift car.

[EErie B6]

its an a4, that was my car at lebanon, and i will be there this month again.
the first pic was at englishtown clubloose ECB this past weekend.

you can see in both pics that the right side washer squirter cap is missing. me thinks this man speaks the truth.

[getslideways]

more pics? vids? details? very cool project nice work!

[mikmot]

Did you modify the steering rack to allow further turning? Looks great btw..

no steering-rack/tie-rod/steering-upright modifications done as of now.
up to this weekend, the car was still in the tire/suspension development/tuning stages - more specifically, we've mostly been doing testing with shock valving, alignment settings, and tire combo's.
sadly, this type of extensive testing/tuning is necessary since there is no real solid info out there as to how to make a good b5 drift car.

the car endured about 5 straight hours of drifting this past sat and 4hours on sunday.
at this point, we feel the suspension/alignment is dialed in pretty well. (specific details to come in the build thread)

the main focus of the project now is making the entire car reliable.
the car started to show signs of weakness in the cooling system during the long sessions.
is seems the radiator doesnt get enough airflow when you're sideways (go figure) and starts to overheat until the car was driven in a straight line, or the other option was to drift with the AC on (BONUS!) which activates the secondary fan into high speed.
the thermostatic fan switch on the radiator seems to react too slowly to the extremely quick buildup of heat in the cooling system during the 30-60sec full throttle drift runs.
only after the car comes to a stop - would the switch realize the coolant was superheated - and by that point the car would already be overheating.

the next step in the project is to remedy this issue.

[mikmot]

next event is june 18th near albany NY if anyone is interested in lending a helping hand.
free ride alongs during the drift event in the drift b5 included if you bring your own SA2000-2005 helmet.

[ScratchRob13]

the main focus of the project now is making the entire car reliable.
the car started to show signs of weakness in the cooling system during the long sessions.
is seems the radiator doesnt get enough airflow when you're sideways (go figure) and starts to overheat until the car was driven in a straight line, or the other option was to drift with the AC on (BONUS!) which activates the secondary fan into high speed.
the thermostatic fan switch on the radiator seems to react too slowly to the extremely quick buildup of heat in the cooling system during the 30-60sec full throttle drift runs.
only after the car comes to a stop - would the switch realize the coolant was superheated - and by that point the car would already be overheating.

the next step in the project is to remedy this issue.


Need to switch to an electric fan, andmodify it for a manual overide. Someone did it on AudiWorld once.

[Tifun]

I've done the electric fan with an independent temp switch which I was easily able to adjust. I suspect they will be going with something similar. I was able to pick up everything I needed at the local parts store. Which is funny because that's what I used to solve my cooling issues back in the day of drifting years ago. I had two settings dialed in. One for spirited/drift and one for street.

As for the drift car, looks like an absolute blast. I do miss the nissan scene. I just wish it didn't blow up as big as it did, i'd probably still be building them haha. they were a lot of fun though.
-Keith

[mikmot]

I've done the electric fan with an independent temp switch which I was easily able to adjust. I suspect they will be going with something similar. I was able to pick up everything I needed at the local parts store. Which is funny because that's what I used to solve my cooling issues back in the day of drifting years ago. I had two settings dialed in. One for spirited/drift and one for street.


this is most likely what we plan to do. in addition, we may also end up installing the B5S4 push fan thats located front of their condensors.
the clutch fan is likely to stay as a fail safe against the electric fans failing.
so in total, the cooling system will end up being like the B5S4's, with an independant switch with two settings, one for automatic(street) and the other for max cooling(drift)

[onemoremile]

Bumper ducting should help too. It would ensure that all of the air hitting the bumper openings is directed towards the radiator rather than some air escaping around it.
Ducting, pusher fan, Redline Water Wetter, and you're in business.

[VMRWheels]

Wow that's pretty awesome, can't wait to see how the car progresses!

[mikmot]

next event is june 18th near albany NY if anyone is interested in lending a helping hand.
free ride alongs during the drift event in the drift b5 included if you bring your own SA2000-2005 helmet.
No takers?
[:d]

[Tifun]

too far for me or I would show up for your support crew haha.

[bigblue]

Where near albany? Back at lebanon valley again?

[mikmot]

yup. at lebanon valley. ill be there at or before 3pm setting up.

[bigblue]

Maybe I'll see if I can get out of work early and I'll stop up an shoot the shit for a bit. Its literally a ride down the road from my work.

[bigblue]

Hmm it doesn't say theres anything going on up there on the 18th

[getslideways]

if i lived near there i would definitely take you up on that offer!!! If someone is going PLEASE bring a camera for pics and video!!!

[mikmot]

trust me, there is an event on the 18th. Look up drift faction or tristatedrift.com
Its not posted on the lebanon valley schedule. Ill keep posting as the next event gets closer.

[bigblue]

I'd love to go out for a rip with you but at the very least I should be able to get pics.

[maxspeed]

Mike hood uses an electric fan with a manual switch to keep shit cool between runs

[mikmot]

I'd love to go out for a rip with you but at the very least I should be able to get pics.

Bring a helmet and anyone can take rides.

[bigblue]

Haha I may be there if I can get my new exhaust sorted out... I can't show up there with my exhaust sounding like a drag car...

[mikmot]

trust me, you wont be the loudest car.
got 4 new tires mounted today. trying out more grip via falken RT615. got a good deal on closeout because theyre now discontinued i hear.

[bigblue]

I love falken tires, I run 235/40/18s ze912s on my audi and 185/65/14 ze912s on my 91 cabriolet. If they're discontinuing the 615s I'm gonna be so pissed! Haha I ordered my resonator today. If my parts show up friday I may not make it.

[mikmot]

next event @ lebanon valley 1 week from now..

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[mikmot]

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[bigblue]

Sweet, I'm at a yokohama event now, we're driving mini cooper s in louden speedway in new hampshire in the morning. Hooray for cars that I don't own to beat on! Sorry I missed ya at the event. Is the event this coming friday?

[mikmot]

this coming friday at lebanon.

[bigblue]

Not quite drifting but... this was my day today. clicky (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?370307-So...-today...-I...)

[bigblue]

Nice meeting you last night, car definitely looks great out there man. I'll be looking forward to seeing you up there again. Next time I'll bring a helmet

[AudiA4R4]

looks like a lot of fun. [cool] I welded up a spare center diff and ran RWD last summer (mainly for tuning on a local single roll dyno). It was a lot of fun but really needed a LSD in the rear as I could not put down the power without smoking a tire..even at 40MPH. It did seem to free up a bit of HP in the upper gears and yea, it fell into drifts very easy..too easy. I am back to AWD again, since early winter, as this is my daily driver in the back country. Keep up the great work!

[mikmot]

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[mikmot]

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got a little too close to the wall.
scraped the bumper a little.

[CrtchRktRcr]

beautiful. so for drifting skinny in back wide up front? makes sense.

[bigblue]

Wheres the picture of the smashed up 350z... and that m5 sucked ass.

[mikmot]

beautiful. so for drifting skinny in back wide up front? makes sense.

not quite.
I'm running same width, same compounds front and rear, but I'm running 15s in the rear because they're cheaper. Remember, I usually burn up a full set of rear tires on a day of drifting.

[mikmot]

28rs coming.

[bigblue]

Sweet!

[ECS Tuning-Audi]

[up] Looks good [up]

I love seeing purpose built cars!

[mikmot]

carbonio and hsport front and rear sway bars to be installed in the next few days.
GT28RS needs to go on as well.. too much work, too little time.
updated the first page of this thread to make it an official build thread. check it out to see the specs on the car.

[A4Rob]

Looks great. Keep us updated.

[mikmot]

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm123/dkim113/drift%20b5/IMG_3741.jpg

been busy, but got the carbonio in.

still have the other things to finish on the list.
i have 3 weeks before the next event.

[Dan[FN]6262]

do work!

[mikmot]

had time to go out to a drift event this past weekend.
sadly, STILL on stock turbo. no time to work on the car.

was able to borrow a gopro camera and capture a bit of footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHpyJNVwqbo

[mikmot]

28rs in...
i know, i know, crappy update.
pics coming later..

[rarak69]

Sweet.

[mikmot]

maestro7 installed. time to start tweaking...
next drift event this sat at englishtown. hope to get some better video footage this time.

[mikmot]

latest vid..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acPjKLNHBXw

next event coming today 9/3 at lebanon valley..

[ECS Tuning-Audi]

Nice update. Should throw a pic up of the turbo setup so we can get a total feel for everything. What is your interior like as well?

[hiwords1]

holy crap. i would've gone to every single one of these had i known. when's the next event? so much props to you because everybody was saying it can't be done but it's now been done haha. have you thought about a 4.2 swap? it won't cost a whole a lot and all the power is instantly at your foot. it's all aluminum too

[mikmot]

everytime i go drifting, i consider the swap. id love the torque of a v8, My 1.8t is far too laggy between throttle applications. ive setup an antilag program with maestro, but its still lacking a bit.

im going to lebanon valley early october. (i give out unlimited ride alongs at lebanon events unless its competition day)
i may also be at englishtown this weekend pending my work schedule.
ill keep my drift schedule posted here when i know what events im attending.

[hiwords1]

pls pls keep me posted about october. i can bring some more audi nuts with me from out of state if you give unlimited ride alongs haha. i'm linking this to AF

[TyrolSport]

mispost....

[mikmot]

pls pls keep me posted about october. i can bring some more audi nuts with me from out of state if you give unlimited ride alongs haha. i'm linking this to AF

unlimited ride alongs = no problem. just bring a snell approved helmet. its ok if its an expired helmet - the staff at lebanon raceway dont check the dates. just no ridiculous helmets (like a bicycle or snowboard helmet).

[mikmot]

next event - oct 1 lebanon valley
check driftfaction.com (events section) for schedule and directions.

[mikmot]

update: prepping the car for a cage, started removing interior..
finally got my car below 3000lbs today. sunroof is still in the car, thats next to go.

[mikmot]

http://www.vimeo.com/16911459

latest vid...

[NeedingAnAudi]

Lookin good [up]

[$teady$upreme]

Did you have any aftermarket upgrades so that you can add more camber to your car?

[mikmot]

i only needed more than stock camber for the front.
i relocated the lower control arm mounting points to add camber.
front is at 3degrees.
rear is adjusted to 1.5degrees.
3 degrees is excessive for street cars, and a bit too high for track cars unless theyre on slicks, but its perfect for drift. [wrench]
havent updated the thread in a while. soon to come.

[mikmot]

new vids...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3VyGdLv-dk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49csQ9XFOKs

[NeedingAnAudi]

Someone is getting good [up][up]

[mikmot]

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[$teady$upreme]

Tom, very nice drifting~

[ricekikr]

Smoke all the way!

OT: Was the stock weigh-in, with or without driver? Full tank of gas, with spare?

[mikmot]

original weigh-in: with spare, full tank of gas, no driver.

all subsequent weigh-ins: no spare, no spare tools, full tank of gas, no driver to maintain consistancy.

[ricekikr]

original weigh-in: with spare, full tank of gas, no driver.

all subsequent weigh-ins: no spare, no spare tools, full tank of gas, no driver to maintain consistancy.

Ok, I've been looking for actual a4 weight for quite a while. My guess was, 150lbs off lol. Thanks [:)]

[silverman]

helllll yeah man!!!!!!!!

[mikmot]

my next drift event coming tomorrow (sat) at nj, englishtown raceway park drift track.
no ride alongs allowed at this course. :(
but lots of good drivers will be there.

[mikmot]

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[mikmot]

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[Dan[FN]6262]

haha awesome

[A4drei]

Looking good out there!

[A4Rob]

thats sweet

[mikmot]

i put in a 2871R vband with an external gate.
new custom exhaust 3 in vband all the way out.
its running 28psi as of now with a screamer pipe.
same midrange as the 28R i replaced, but a lot more top end.
sorry for the lame update - no pics for now, just got the car running - been pretty busy.

[ThatA4T]

vids plz

[30vQuattro]

I don't have a rwd conversion, but sliding around in my s4 with the 4:1 diff destroyed my tires lol... I'm going to get some cheap tires for the rear next time as you did.