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Hyphy
07-03-2009, 01:19 AM
Since most of the b7 owners caught onto the fact that it is recommended to check this follower every so often. I thought "Eh instead of seeing lots and lots of new threads about the same thing (different person [;)]) we should just have one thread for everyone!" [drive]

Nothing but good news here...Yay1!!

Sorry about the photos as well. They were taken from a first gen. iPhone (i know i know). EDIT: Wow, and I saw that there were highlighter marks on the other side of the white paper after I posted. I'm too lazy to re-do. Sorrrry.
Stock 2007 w/ 35k miles on the clock..
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/bnb.jpg
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/bnv.jpg
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/bvc.jpg

I went ahead and put a new follower in too..


Useful info:
Dealership P#:06D 109 309 C
Improved OEM Camshaft Part#:
06F 109 101 B

Alternative (larger diameter, estimated 20,000 more miles of wear)
KMD Upgraded 2.0T Cam Follower
http://www.kmdtuning.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=1426

How to install (check) cam follower:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3940922

PDF form: http://freepdfhosting.com/8791e81dac.pdf

Codes related to cam follower wear issues:
The following codes are related to the wear issues as outlined in the factory Technical Service Bulletin 150702 (http://www.awe-tuning.com/media/pdf/AWE_FSI_HPFP_Upgrade.pdf):
P2293 – Fuel pressure regulator malfunction
P0087 – Fuel rail / system pressure too low
P1093 – Fuel trim 2 bank 1 malfunction
P3089 – Signal line for fuel pump electronics: electrical malfunction

Here @ genuineVWAudiParts.com you can get the follower for like $38.xx if you don't want to pay dealer fees!

thank you to those who have helped w/ this thread! [up]


Useful quote:

For BT people it looks you now need the following spare parts handy at all times!

1.Cam Follower
2.HPFP

[up][up][wrench][;)]

Larson7.62
07-03-2009, 02:34 AM
You have a HPFP?

Geoffafa
07-03-2009, 05:42 AM
no he does not. he is stock [:D]

Blarg
07-03-2009, 06:47 AM
Mileage, year?

golfvdude
07-03-2009, 08:03 AM
NICE! I'm also jealous...you do know that right?

RedS-line
07-03-2009, 08:15 AM
Mileage, year?
Also, which cam do you have? Lets try to keep these follower threads informative and not "my follower has more wear than your follower" :)

golfvdude
07-03-2009, 08:17 AM
Also, which cam do you have? Lets try to keep these follower threads informative and not "my follower has more wear than your follower" :)

I think it would be very difficult to determine what cam you have unless you have a fwd layout.

RVT
07-03-2009, 09:08 AM
Wow, Love the quality pics (totally worthless) .... I think your are trying to show us something in those fuzzy images???

V

IceMole
07-03-2009, 09:21 AM
I think it would be very difficult to determine what cam you have unless you have a fwd layout.

Yep, maybe some really stubby tools and some mirrors to get a look in the vac pump end cap.

ataylor
07-03-2009, 10:40 AM
after that protective coating is gone, you can chew through that thing in a matter of days..

how did your HPFP (the piston-end) look?

Hyphy
07-03-2009, 12:36 PM
It's an 07 FWD w/ 35k miles. Stock besides an intake. The actual cam had no visible wear (no scratches, grooves, etc).

sorry about the photos. The pics were obviously taken from a first gen iphone.

fly300kts
07-03-2009, 01:25 PM
Good work Hyphy [up][up]

fly300kts
07-03-2009, 01:25 PM
Good work Hyphy [up][up]

PS: I need to pick up the bolt [;)]

Hyphy
07-03-2009, 01:45 PM
Good work Hyphy [up][up]

lol Phil, you can call me by my real name now that you know me..[:p]

chrisrjs
07-03-2009, 02:09 PM
Sweet good to hear! Ill be checking mine today... I just got off the phone with the service department that serviced my car while it was under warranty. I asked him about this cam follower deal, he said hes never seen the 2.0T have any problems in the 5 years hes been there... I thought that was strange?? Also he said theres not many problems with this CVT tranny also, as long as you keep up all the maintenance you should be fine.... Complete opposite from what ive been hearing around here lol

AWDTURBO
07-03-2009, 02:10 PM
i have 7k on my follower stock engine 2008 idk which pump that is and there was almost no wear

now i put in the kmd follower

Hyphy
07-03-2009, 02:20 PM
i have 7k on my follower stock engine 2008 idk which pump that is and there was almost no wear

now i put in the kmd follower

Same pump as me, I think.

chrisrjs
07-03-2009, 05:38 PM
Sorry Hyphy didnt want to jack your thread but i figue people dont want to see 500 follower threads on the 1st page [:D]

Heres what ive found today, all looks good to me! Sorry bout the pics but i didnt have my camera with me so there from my blackberry [:|]

2005.5 FWD with TIP 46,600 miles


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/shuffles06/IMG00123.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/shuffles06/IMG00124.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/shuffles06/IMG00126.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/shuffles06/IMG00127.jpg

Hyphy
07-03-2009, 07:03 PM
Sorry Hyphy didnt want to jack your thread but i figue people dont want to see 500 follower threads on the 1st page [:D]

Heres what ive found today, all looks good to me! Sorry bout the pics but i didnt have my camera with me so there from my blackberry [:|]

2005.5 FWD with TIP 46,600 miles



Thanks for sharing Chris. Looks well! [drive]

clemsongt
07-03-2009, 07:31 PM
Well everyone has been checking their cam follower lately so I figured it would probably be a good idea. There have been many different results with some people only making 30,000 miles before a hole formed completely through the cam follower. While others have gone over 100,000 miles without any more wear than just the top layer of the cam follower being worn off. With this in mind, I decided to add my results to the data that is out there, and possibly add some hope to the people who are afraid to look. [:D]

Oil changes were at 10,000 mile intervals as per Audi maintenance until I purchased the car at 61,000 miles.
Car has never been chipped (that I know of).
Time inspected 65,000 miles.

http://i44.tinypic.com/vyul46.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/22cc2a.jpg
Side by side comparison. Don't know what happened to the one on the right, but my phone camera somehow merged images or something...

http://i39.tinypic.com/oh1g9c.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2nm13eb.jpg
New finish for reference.

I know the pics are bad and don't show very much, but the synopsis is this: the follower had only the usual wear. There wasn't any cavitation and certainly not a hole. The only wear was the black coating being worn off. It certainly had no more wear than one would expect at 65,000 miles. The cam looked like a cam...I didn't feel any gouges or anything that I felt would be alarming. There was still a very shiny finish to it.

Slo.Mo.Shun.
07-07-2009, 04:40 PM
Here is my old cam follower.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/Victor_Carruyo/IMG_4934.jpg

Sal_B7
07-07-2009, 07:09 PM
Good stuff everyone!! Will be very informative! Hyphy good stuff bro! Ill post mine on my next oil change.

Eternalmind
07-07-2009, 07:11 PM
yep, mine looked like above...at ~49k

denisk
07-08-2009, 03:15 AM
How much is a cam follower replacement? And can anybody type out the step by step process to take off the follower. Is it easy to take off?

Hyphy
07-08-2009, 03:27 AM
How much is a cam follower replacement? And can anybody type out the step by step process to take off the follower. Is it easy to take off?

like $67 bucks from my local dealer (including tax).

Step by step process can be found here: http://picasaweb.google.com/BJ.McGee/AudiA4FSICamFollowerInstall#

clemsongt
07-08-2009, 06:10 AM
like $67 bucks from my local dealer (including tax).

Step by step process can be found here: http://picasaweb.google.com/BJ.McGee/AudiA4FSICamFollowerInstall#

Yeah, that link works pretty well (there are a few too many pics though...).

As for the follower, I bought mine from genuineaudiparts.com - 38.88 + shipping. (06D-109-309-C)

fly300kts
07-08-2009, 06:19 AM
70K on the clock and no problem

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/fly300kts/Cam/IMG_9319Large.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/fly300kts/Cam/IMG_9320Large.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/fly300kts/Cam/DSC02929Large.jpg

cstarky15
07-08-2009, 02:10 PM
What year is your car phil?

Hyphy
07-08-2009, 02:13 PM
What year is your car phil?

Phil has an '05.5.

RedS-line
07-08-2009, 02:17 PM
after that protective coating is gone, you can chew through that thing in a matter of days..

how did your HPFP (the piston-end) look?

this is misinformation. re-read the tsb.
interestingly, my old hpfp piston was shiny and reflective upon removal while the brand new one looks dull.

viziers
07-08-2009, 03:06 PM
I also have an 05.5 and had 110,000 or 114,000 miles can't remember... anyway mine had just started to show signs of wear so I changed it. I also founf out from my engine build that I have the B cam...


vizi

denisk
07-09-2009, 01:46 AM
What is the newest cam follower version? And how would I know if I have this or not? Thanks guys.

viziers
07-09-2009, 06:22 AM
What is the newest cam follower version? And how would I know if I have this or not? Thanks guys.

As far as i know there is only 1 version of cam follower.....


vizi

FryXS9
07-09-2009, 12:02 PM
I have one noob question: what the f... is a cam follower?

I never heard about problems with something like that in germany.

Hyphy
07-09-2009, 12:09 PM
I have one noob question: what the f... is a cam follower?

I never heard about problems with something like that in germany.

[rolleyes]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+a+cam+follower

Animation for you as well: http://www.ul.ie/~kirwanp/whatisacamandfollowersyste.htm

Look at this thread once you are familiar with the follower.

Nick

edit: did they manufacture the b7 a4's w/ the 2.0t over their in Germany? or did they come w/ the 1.8t/tdi's? or all 3?

FryXS9
07-09-2009, 12:41 PM
Thank you. Sorry for another question. Is it a part from the fuel pump? If it is then the translation into german is useless.

Grishbok
07-09-2009, 12:44 PM
Would someone mind posting a sticky with a how-to check your cam/camfollower, step by step on how to pull it, and the different revisions etc of the fuel pump and camshaft, and alternative replacements?

Hyphy
07-09-2009, 01:30 PM
^^just use this thread. If someone wouldn't mind doing that. I could edit the first post with the specific details, and of course give the full credit to the person that did the work.

thanks in advanced..

prospero
07-09-2009, 01:31 PM
Improved OEM Cam Follower Part#: (from TSB 150702 (http://www.awe-tuning.com/media/pdf/AWE_FSI_HPFP_Upgrade.pdf))
06D 109 309 C - Cam Follower
06F 109 101 B - Camshaft

Alternative (larger diameter, estimated 20,000 more miles of wear)
KMD Upgraded 2.0T Cam Follower
http://www.kmdtuning.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=1426

How to install (check) cam follower:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3940922

Codes related to cam follower wear issues:
The following codes are related to the wear issues as outlined in the factory TSB 150702 (http://www.awe-tuning.com/media/pdf/AWE_FSI_HPFP_Upgrade.pdf):
P2293 – Fuel pressure regulator malfunction
P0087 – Fuel rail / system pressure too low
P1093 – Fuel trim 2 bank 1 malfunction
P3089 – Signal line for fuel pump electronics: electrical malfunction

Hyphy
07-09-2009, 01:36 PM
Improved OEM Cam Follower Part#:
06F 109 101 B

Alternative (larger diameter, estimated 20,000 more miles of wear)
KMD Upgraded 2.0T Cam Follower
http://www.kmdtuning.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=1426

How to install (check) cam follower:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3940922

Codes related to cam follower wear issues:
The following codes are related to the wear issues as outlined in the factory Technical Service Bulletin 150702 (http://www.awe-tuning.com/media/pdf/AWE_FSI_HPFP_Upgrade.pdf):
P2293 – Fuel pressure regulator malfunction
P0087 – Fuel rail / system pressure too low
P1093 – Fuel trim 2 bank 1 malfunction
P3089 – Signal line for fuel pump electronics: electrical malfunction

thanks.

prospero
07-09-2009, 02:01 PM
Another lengthy & technical article about zinc levels in the oil's that you use to prevent cam follower wear in our engines:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4445374

new (Apr 09) TSB on Audi approved oil:
http://www.audiusa.com/etc/medialib/cms4imp/audi2/aoa/company/aoa-specific.Par.0023.File.pdf

Sal_B7
07-14-2009, 09:19 AM
Well everyone bad news, just when i think everything is all dandy i get cam lobe/follower issues. [=(] My follower has a huge hole in it! My cam was a lil scraped up and it scraped up the tip part of my fuel pump a lil bit. Having the cam and follower replaced. Not under warranty anymore so this is going to be out of pocket, but luckily my buddy is going to hook me up. Parts isnt too bad on price, and the labor (which would cost anyone an arm and a leg) is not going to be as bad for me either. So overall this sucks but it could have been worse, glad i caught it before it made more damage, could have been worse but at the same time if i would have checked my cam and follower earlier i could have caught it before. So i guess i went about 15K miles on my stage 3 before this issue happend and before that i had not replaced my cam or follower so it held up pretty well. I have a lil over 68K miles right now and was going to check on my cam and follower at 70K. So ill definately keep an eye out on my follower from now on. Well here are the pics of the damage...

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/warrior62_00/Audi/follower.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/warrior62_00/Audi/photo-1.jpg

viziers
07-14-2009, 09:52 AM
Daaaaaaamn that sucks man.... Almost makes me not want to do the GT30r setup....lol yea right....


vizi

Sal_B7
07-14-2009, 09:55 AM
^yeah it sucks but like they say, you have to pay to play!! lol Ill just keep an eye on it more now. No biggie.

Slo.Mo.Shun.
07-14-2009, 10:05 AM
I think is time we start looking at the zinc levels in the oils we put in.

viziers
07-14-2009, 10:08 AM
^yeah it sucks but like they say, you have to pay to play!! lol Ill just keep an eye on it more now. No biggie.

I hear ya... I had got 113,000 miles on my first follower and have not checked it since I had the forged rods put in... Which i'm do for..... Thats also with a stock HPFP...


vizi

viziers
07-14-2009, 10:19 AM
I think is time we start looking at the zinc levels in the oils we put in.


I agree completely....


vizi

Sal_B7
07-14-2009, 12:09 PM
I hear ya... I had got 113,000 miles on my first follower and have not checked it since I had the forged rods put in... Which i'm do for..... Thats also with a stock HPFP...


vizi


Yeah having put in the HPFP really killed the life of the cam...

Sal_B7
07-14-2009, 12:27 PM
Ok so i just got off the phone with my tech buddy that was working on my cam/follower issue, he checked my cam and its the new revision "B" cam.(think its the latest one from Audi) anyways so the lobes are fine. My follower was shot to sh*t and that tip part of my fuel pump is a lil messed up from the cam hitting it. So it comes to my conclusion that the root of the problem is the follower. Im not having my cam replaced since its still in good condition but i am having the follower cause duh its shot. So he was looking at the TSB and it was saying that if this issue was happening with the follower that the root of the problem was the cam but how can that be? The cam is fine but im guessing since its the newer revision cam then obviously its holding up just fine and the follower is the problem. So yeah going to get a new follower.
So thats whats happening with that. So right now just going to run the OEM follower and ill keep an eye on it and if i notice it going to crap right away ill go ahead and try that KMD follower since it looks twice as big as the OEM one.

P.S. sorry for the long post

Hyphy
07-14-2009, 12:37 PM
Well everyone bad news, just when i think everything is all dandy i get cam lobe/follower issues. [=(] My follower has a huge hole in it! My cam was a lil scraped up and it scraped up the tip part of my fuel pump a lil bit. Having the cam and follower replaced. Not under warranty anymore so this is going to be out of pocket, but luckily my buddy is going to hook me up. Parts isnt too bad on price, and the labor (which would cost anyone an arm and a leg) is not going to be as bad for me either. So overall this sucks but it could have been worse, glad i caught it before it made more damage, could have been worse but at the same time if i would have checked my cam and follower earlier i could have caught it before. So i guess i went about 15K miles on my stage 3 before this issue happend and before that i had not replaced my cam or follower so it held up pretty well. I have a lil over 68K miles right now and was going to check on my cam and follower at 70K. So ill definately keep an eye out on my follower from now on. Well here are the pics of the damage...



Dang bro! Keep us up-to-date!

viziers
07-14-2009, 12:53 PM
Ok so i just got off the phone with my tech buddy that was working on my cam/follower issue, he checked my cam and its the new revision "B" cam.(think its the latest one from Audi) anyways so the lobes are fine. My follower was shot to sh*t and that tip part of my fuel pump is a lil messed up from the cam hitting it. So it comes to my conclusion that the root of the problem is the follower. Im not having my cam replaced since its still in good condition but i am having the follower cause duh its shot. So he was looking at the TSB and it was saying that if this issue was happening with the follower that the root of the problem was the cam but how can that be? The cam is fine but im guessing since its the newer revision cam then obviously its holding up just fine and the follower is the problem. So yeah going to get a new follower.
So thats whats happening with that. So right now just going to run the OEM follower and ill keep an eye on it and if i notice it going to crap right away ill go ahead and try that KMD follower since it looks twice as big as the OEM one.

P.S. sorry for the long post


Dude...... Did I read that you said that the tip of the pump was also a little worn???? If so be REAL careful because even with such minimal wear on it that is going to have adverse efects on the new follower EX: may wear through the replacement follower within 1k miles......



vizi

Sal_B7
07-14-2009, 01:02 PM
Dang bro! Keep us up-to-date!

will do!




Dude...... Did I read that you said that the tip of the pump was also a little worn???? If so be REAL careful because even with such minimal wear on it that is going to have adverse efects on the new follower EX: may wear through the replacement follower within 1k miles......

vizi


Oh yeah, you know thats something i forgot to mention to my buddy. Ill have to call him back and see what he says. thanks for the info!!

Sal_B7
07-14-2009, 01:13 PM
Well he said it could cause a problem, so for now im going to just replace it and keep a close eye on it and see how it goes. Im not looking into having to buy a new HPFP, cause that would suck! We will see how it goes!

Oh by the way, im getting my car back today!!! I had a Suzuki as a rental and was not looking forward to driving that thing all week!! woohoo!!

Slo.Mo.Shun.
07-14-2009, 01:17 PM
Another lengthy & technical article about zinc levels in the oil's that you use to prevent cam follower wear in our engines:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4445374

new (Apr 09) TSB on Audi approved oil:
http://www.audiusa.com/etc/medialib/cms4imp/audi2/aoa/company/aoa-specific.Par.0023.File.pdf

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/engine/flat_tappet_cam_tech/index.html

Here is another interesting read.

Cliff notes.

"The zincreacts with the cam lobe's iron surface. That creates a sacrificialchemical coating strong enough to keep parts separated to reduce thewear."

viziers
07-14-2009, 01:18 PM
Well he said it could cause a problem, so for now im going to just replace it and keep a close eye on it and see how it goes. Im not looking into having to buy a new HPFP, cause that would suck! We will see how it goes!

Oh by the way, im getting my car back today!!! I had a Suzuki as a rental and was not looking forward to driving that thing all week!! woohoo!!


Ooo you got jipped with the Suzuki...lol...

Do you still have your old HPFP?? If so you could use that and possibly put your car into stock mode you might be better doing that but id confirm with APR first....Just a thought ...


vizi

Hyphy
07-14-2009, 01:23 PM
Ooo you got jipped with the Suzuki...lol...

Do you still have your old HPFP?? If so you could use that and possibly put your car into stock mode you might be better doing that but id confirm with APR first....Just a thought ...


I thought he just got new internals...not a actual 'new' HPFP

viziers
07-14-2009, 01:26 PM
I thought he just got new internals...not a actual 'new' HPFP


Doh!!!! that could very well be, but I thought it came with a complete pump with his kit???


Ohhhhh Sallllllll.....


vizi

Hyphy
07-14-2009, 01:28 PM
Doh!!!! that could very well be but I thought it came with a complete pump with his kit???


vizi

Hmm..not sure. I thought APR just replaced the internals..I could be wrong tho..

Sal_B7
07-14-2009, 01:32 PM
ok, so i got the APR HPFP with my kit. Not sure if thats an actual new fuel pump or if its a used one and then they do all their internal work and stuff.

I still have my stock fuel pump with the Autotech internals in it. To my knowledge the kit will still work with the autotech fuel pump.

Hyphy
07-14-2009, 01:34 PM
ok, so i got the APR HPFP with my kit. Not sure if thats an actual new fuel pump or if its a used one and then they do all their internal work and stuff.

I still have my stock fuel pump with the Autotech internals in it. To my knowledge the kit will still work with the autotech fuel pump.

Thanks for clarifying that Sal. Why not put the Autotech pump in since it's in better condition..? Just a thought. [up]

viziers
07-14-2009, 01:34 PM
ok, so i got the APR HPFP with my kit. Not sure if thats an actual new fuel pump or if its a used one and then they do all their internal work and stuff.

I still have my stock fuel pump with the Autotech internals in it. To my knowledge the kit will still work with the autotech fuel pump.


That is correct it WILL still work...


vizi

Sal_B7
07-14-2009, 01:35 PM
the piston end tips are different on the pumps. the APR piston has a bigger diameter then the Autotech one. Also from what i noticed is that the tip on the APR seems to stick out a little bit further then Autotech's.

Hyphy
07-14-2009, 01:35 PM
That is correct it WILL still work...


vizi

do itt

Hyphy
07-14-2009, 01:36 PM
the piston end tips are different on the pumps. the APR piston has a bigger diameter then the Autotech one. Also from what i noticed is that the tip on the APR seems to stick out a little bit further then Autotech's.

Could that extra length (the tip) be hurting the life span of the follower??? dun dun dun...

Sal_B7
07-14-2009, 01:36 PM
Thanks for clarifying that Sal. Why not put the Autotech pump in since it's in better condition..? Just a thought. [up]


You know, i did think about that. Well i was in the process of selling the pump to someone so thats why i dont really want to use it but i mean if the APR pump is going to cause more defects then i might as well just keep my other hpfp and see what i can do about the APR one.

viziers
07-14-2009, 01:37 PM
Yea it would be better than to take a big chance on making it worse...


vizi

Slo.Mo.Shun.
07-14-2009, 01:37 PM
APR sells a complete HPFP, but If you send a core its much cheaper.

Sal_B7
07-14-2009, 01:38 PM
Could that extra length (the tip) be hurting the life span of the follower??? dun dun dun...

I dunno....MAYBE...

I should try using the autotech one and see how much wear that puts on the follower.

Before i installed the stage 3 kit i checked my follower and it was fine(some minor normal wear.) 15K miles later with the Stage 3 kit and it went to sh*t.

So either the APR pump caused it or maybe just having stage 3 in general caused it.

Im not putting APR down in any way cause they rock!! Might have to give them a call and see whats up.

Hyphy
07-14-2009, 01:39 PM
APR sells a complete HPFP, but If you send a core its much cheaper.

werrrrrd...[up]

Hyphy
07-14-2009, 01:40 PM
I dunno....MAYBE...

I should try using the autotech one and see how much wear that puts on the follower.

Before i installed the stage 3 kit i checked my follower and it was perfectly fine. 15K miles later with the Stage 3 kit and it went to sh*t.

So either the APR pump caused it or maybe just having stage 3 in general caused it.

Im not putting APR down in any way cause they rock!! Might have to give them a call and see whats up.

Not a bad idea, you should call them. Have your boy put in the Autotech fuel pump tho! [;)]

viziers
07-14-2009, 01:44 PM
Not a bad idea, you should call them. Have your boy put in the Autotech fuel pump tho! [;)]

I agree have him put the Autotech pump in...[up]


vizi

Slo.Mo.Shun.
07-14-2009, 01:46 PM
werrrrrd...[up]

Yeah, I misread lol.

Sal_B7
07-14-2009, 01:47 PM
^^ok, i gave out wrong information. I guess i looked at the pumps wrong. I just got off the phone with him and he said that the tip of the APR has a bigger diameter which means its better and then he said that he looked at them an the autotech one sticks out further then the APR one. sooo my bad!! I told him about both pumps and he says that i should still run the APR pump. So since he is a tech and knows 1 million more times then i do i think ill just go with what he says. Plus the last thing i want to do is piss him off and not have him do any work for me again.

So we will see, and ill keep an eye out on the follower. Ok, end of story and im getting my car back today! lol [drive]

Hyphy
07-14-2009, 01:49 PM
^^ok, i gave out wrong information. I guess i looked at the pumps wrong. I just got off the phone with him and he said that the tip of the APR has a bigger diameter which means its better and then he said that he looked at them an the autotech one sticks out further then the APR one. sooo my bad!! I told him about both pumps and he says that i should still run the APR pump. So since he is a tech and knows 1 million more times then i do i think ill just go with what he says. Plus the last thing i want to do is piss him off and not have him do any work for me again.

So we will see, and ill keep an eye out on the follower. Ok, end of story and im getting my car back today! lol [drive]

OH dayuummm! I guess stick w/ the APR one....[>_>] LOL!

viziers
07-14-2009, 01:50 PM
^^ok, i gave out wrong information. I guess i looked at the pumps wrong. I just got off the phone with him and he said that the tip of the APR has a bigger diameter which means its better and then he said that he looked at them an the autotech one sticks out further then the APR one. sooo my bad!! I told him about both pumps and he says that i should still run the APR pump. So since he is a tech and knows 1 million more times then i do i think ill just go with what he says. Plus the last thing i want to do is piss him off and not have him do any work for me again.

So we will see, and ill keep an eye out on the follower. Ok, end of story and im getting my car back today! lol [drive]



Cool..... BUT to help put your mind at ease id still call APR if anything just to confirm that it is ok to use the APR pump.... But thats just me... Im just looking for ya....



P.S. Damn you Hyphy always posting before me...lol


vizi

Sal_B7
07-14-2009, 01:50 PM
Yeah. lol

thanks for all the help and stuff Vizi and Hyphy!

Sal_B7
07-14-2009, 01:52 PM
Cool..... BUT to help put your mind at ease id still call APR if anything just to confirm that it is ok to use the APR pump.... But thats just me... Im just looking for ya....


vizi


Yeah i think ill give them a call in a bit. Dang, i wish i still had Mikes number.

viziers
07-14-2009, 01:52 PM
Yeah. lol

thanks for all the help and stuff Vizi and Hyphy!


Anytime man....


vizi

Hyphy
07-14-2009, 01:55 PM
Yeah. lol

thanks for all the help and stuff Vizi and Hyphy!

I gave horrible advice! ahha

No worries man. :D



P.S. Damn you Hyphy always posting before me...lol


Skill babay!


Yeah i think ill give them a call in a bit. Dang, i wish i still had Mikes number.

PM Arin@APR. He'll most likely have some answers for ya.

Hyphy
07-14-2009, 02:02 PM
Even though we have been bumpin' this thread for a good minute, I strongly suggest everyone to take the time and check/change your follower every OIL CHANGE!! It WILL SAVE you TIME & MONEY in the FUTURE!

Sal_B7
07-14-2009, 02:05 PM
^^Yes!! That is the lesson learned here!!

Sal_B7
07-14-2009, 02:06 PM
Hyphy you are just gangsta!! thats why your name is Hyphy!

Hyphy
07-14-2009, 02:08 PM
Hyphy you are just gangsta!! thats why your name is Hyphy!

*edited to keep this thread on topic*

Nick

Hyphy
07-14-2009, 02:10 PM
Back on topic! naoow!!

Sal_B7
07-14-2009, 02:21 PM
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/ballin.gif

HAHAHAHA....i had too....[hail]

or this!!
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/hyphy-707712.jpg LOL! (That's not me either!)


Liar!! The name says it!! lol


Ok, really back on topic. Sent Mike at APR a message, he is the mechanical engineer over there so hopefully he will shine some light.

Hyphy
07-14-2009, 02:22 PM
Ok, really back on topic. Sent Mike at APR a message, he is the mechanical engineer over there so hopefully he will shine some light.

Alrighty- let us know what's up..

Sal_B7
07-14-2009, 02:23 PM
will do

viziers
07-14-2009, 02:37 PM
"listening"


vizi

Sal_B7
07-14-2009, 03:46 PM
well my buddy just text me and told me that my APR fuel pump is shot!! FML!! Guess im going to have to run the autotech one for now. Leaving work now and going to his work to see whats up. Ill post up later and let everyone know whats up. Dang this sucks! $1K down the drain :(

viziers
07-14-2009, 04:00 PM
Awww man i'm very sorry to hear this!!!!!


vizi

Hyphy
07-14-2009, 07:01 PM
Sorry to hear Sal! =[

viziers
07-14-2009, 07:30 PM
For BT people it looks you now need the following spare parts handy at all times!

1.Cam Follower
2.HPFP



vizi

BerinG
07-15-2009, 07:14 AM
friend of mine said they installed an APR pump on a GTI (fsi) this week.. he said the pumps are definitely not new, it was even dirtyer than the stock pump being removed.. and there was a core charge on top of that..

Guess it depends how much or little the previous used pump was used before they "upgraded" it.. I will follow this thread

Sal_B7
07-15-2009, 09:21 AM
Ok, so i have my car back now, running my Autotech pump and everything seems fine. Had to replace my MAF sensor as well. Ill have to give APR a call and see if they can do anything about the pump. Im thinking it was something internally so ill see whats up. When i got my fuel pump from them it was nice and clean. I mean everything cant be perfect must have had a defective part or something. Im not too worried about it, Im just glad that i had a spare one to use, i would be on stock mode right now and i would have not been a happy camper. lol

So yeah lessons learned, if you have a BT definately keep an extra follower around, think ill go ahead and order KMD's follower since its like crazy big and just have it as a stand by. Hope this doesnt scare anyone away from getting a BT, this just happend to me cause i didnt keep a close eye on my follower. Especially with the HPFP it wears out quickly!

viziers
07-15-2009, 11:26 AM
Well I wouldn't say you neglected the follower or your fault, I mean this is still kinda all new territory when it comes to BT's and these cars.

Yea ive gotton 100k+ miles from mine in stock form (not upgraded) but to know the limits on the upgraded pump is still new territory..... Now being it is new territory yes you should have checked it sooner, but i don't think anyone expected it to go THIS soon....JMO


vizi

Sal_B7
07-15-2009, 02:49 PM
^^Yeah i feel you, but i now know to keep a more closer eye on it. So we will see how many miles the new one holds up.

headshok2002
07-15-2009, 06:46 PM
Sorry, I just found this thread while browsing for potential 2.0T problems.

Can somebody clarify 2 things, quickly?

1. How long does it take to check (and/or replace) the follower? I see the steps and 150 pictures (haha!) but I can't really guess as to the time it'd take. Doing it every oil change seems crazy if it takes an hour or more.

2. If buying a bone stock 06 A4 2.0TQM, should I be worried about this thing at 70k miles or so? I read that this is prevalent on all the cars... stock through stage 3.

I'm thinking I love my 1.8T and how simple it is. :)

Hyphy
07-15-2009, 06:58 PM
Sorry, I just found this thread while browsing for potential 2.0T problems.

Can somebody clarify 2 things, quickly?

1. How long does it take to check (and/or replace) the follower? I see the steps and 150 pictures (haha!) but I can't really guess as to the time it'd take. Doing it every oil change seems crazy if it takes an hour or more.

2. If buying a bone stock 06 A4 2.0TQM, should I be worried about this thing at 70k miles or so? I read that this is prevalent on all the cars... stock through stage 3.

I'm thinking I love my 1.8T and how simple it is. :)

1. Your first time, it should take you a good hour. After that you will know how to do it in a faster/more efficient way. It's not a big deal (checking it wise) if you are completely stock. But, once you hit the mod bug, it's extremely recommended to check it as often as you change your oil...It will save you"$X,XXX".

2. At 70k miles, yes, it will be one of those 'things' that you wanna keep up to date (if you will).

If you really do like your 1.8, why not just keep it? Our motors are shitty. Well, not our motors, but our fueling system is..

edit: Hope this helps..and thanks for looking!

Hyphy
07-15-2009, 07:10 PM
For BT people it looks you now need the following spare parts handy at all times!

1.Cam Follower
2.HPFP

Yup. You will need to have these on hand. Thanks Vizi

headshok2002
07-15-2009, 07:17 PM
1. Your first time, it should take you a good hour. After that you will know how to do it in a faster/more efficient way. It's not a big deal (checking it wise) if you are completely stock. But, once you hit the mod bug, it's extremely recommended to check it as often as you change your oil...It will save you"$X,XXX".

2. At 70k miles, yes, it will be one of those 'things' that you wanna keep up to date (if you will).

If you really do like your 1.8, why not just keep it? Our motors are shitty. Well, not our motors, but our fueling system is..

edit: Hope this helps..and thanks for looking!

Thanks!

I actually am forced to keep this next car very stock. I'm moving to a place that resembles the surface of the bloody moon. My car now is low, on 19's, and I fear it will be destroyed in my new home.

I just bought a house and I'm after something practical... I've been looking at other B6's, but I've considered the B7 as well (better fuel economy, no 'need' to chip it).

The most I would ever do to this car is a chip... and I'll resist that (perhaps indefinitely). Should I still be concerned? I am cool with checking the follower... but I don't want to deal with too much else. By and large, the 1.8T is a reliable motor. I'm hoping the 2.0T is the same. The 1.8T has quirks... sounds like the 2.0T does as well. I just don't want any horrifying surprises.

Thoughts?

Hyphy
07-15-2009, 07:37 PM
Thanks!

I actually am forced to keep this next car very stock. I'm moving to a place that resembles the surface of the bloody moon. My car now is low, on 19's, and I fear it will be destroyed in my new home.

I just bought a house and I'm after something practical... I've been looking at other B6's, but I've considered the B7 as well (better fuel economy, no 'need' to chip it).

The most I would ever do to this car is a chip... and I'll resist that (perhaps indefinitely). Should I still be concerned? I am cool with checking the follower... but I don't want to deal with too much else. By and large, the 1.8T is a reliable motor. I'm hoping the 2.0T is the same. The 1.8T has quirks... sounds like the 2.0T does as well. I just don't want any horrifying surprises.

Thoughts?

In that case, the b7 would be right for you. Not too many cases that i have seen. Just normal minor little bumps in the road such as the DV, PCV, Cam follower...With the chip on the b7 you will/should be okay (no surprises). Just have that little "responsibility" light go off in your head every oil change and you'll be one happy camper! Let me know if there is anything else, that I or whoever can help w/...

Nick

headshok2002
07-15-2009, 07:56 PM
Thanks a million Nick. I'll see what happens with my B6. I feel better about the B7 already. All this reading tonight made me leery... but you read a lot more about the bad than the good when you're in a forum. I should check out the chatterbox thread where fun things are happening. :P

swoardrider
07-19-2009, 10:39 PM
^^Word on the street is that KMD's follower doesn't have the same diamond-like coating on it that the OEM does, and therefore it will actually wear quicker than the OEM. But, it's thicker so supposedly it takes longer to wear all the way through it. To me this means the KMD will just take more beatings, but all that beat up metal looks like more potential for scarring on the cam lobe.

Elohite
07-22-2009, 04:33 PM
I had mine checked at my 55k serving last week and I fell prey to it also like Sal B7 did out of warranty...
My follower completely was gone also. Chipped at 20k for past 35k miles....
My car actually went in 034 Motorsports today to get the revised oem camshaft and hpfp because of damage caused [=(]
hopefully should be all good by this afternoon

Pics:

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh251/Elohite/Other/Follower_Fail.jpg

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh251/Elohite/Other/Camshaft_Fail.jpg

AWDTURBO
07-22-2009, 04:35 PM
stock cam follower and FP blew?

Elohite
07-22-2009, 04:37 PM
both my hpfp and my camshaft got damaged to the point of replacement

AWDTURBO
07-22-2009, 04:38 PM
i meant to ask, previous to it being damaged was everything stock?

AWDTURBO
07-22-2009, 04:39 PM
such as your FP and CF

Elohite
07-22-2009, 04:42 PM
yeah they were original

AWDTURBO
07-22-2009, 04:51 PM
oh ok sorry to hear must be a expensive fix

Hyphy
07-22-2009, 05:09 PM
both my hpfp and my camshaft got damaged to the point of replacement

ouch...[:(]

cstarky15
07-22-2009, 11:47 PM
Mine just got replaced as well. I have 600miles left of Factory warranty. I got good news and bad news. My good news was that the parts were in stock. The bad news was that I needed a new camshaft/follower etc.

Elohite
07-23-2009, 12:45 AM
034 motorsports installed the revised camshaft, hpfp, and a new cam follower.
the car is running strong like it never has before! i love it. lol
and yes it was a expensive fix [=(]

golfvdude
07-23-2009, 01:01 AM
034 motorsports installed the revised camshaft, hpfp, and a new cam follower.
the car is running strong like it never has before! i love it. lol
and yes it was a expensive fix [=(]

Guess I'll have to change it then....WHAAAAAA!!!![=(]

WayzataAudi
07-23-2009, 11:32 AM
one quick question here as i attempt to take off my FP, how the heck are you guys able to even gain access to the high pressure output compression fitting? theres just no easy way to get a crescent or 17mm wrench in there..im stuck [headbang]

Sal_B7
07-23-2009, 12:23 PM
034 motorsports installed the revised camshaft, hpfp, and a new cam follower.
the car is running strong like it never has before! i love it. lol
and yes it was a expensive fix [=(]



Dang bro, sorry to hear!! I was lucky and got to it before my cam got damaged. Going to send my APR HPFP back to APR along with my stock FP internals and Mike is going to switch the parts for me and test it to make sure its all good. Running my autotech pump right now. Good thing i had a spare!

Glad you got it up and running and running awesome!

Elohite
07-23-2009, 01:04 PM
^ yeah thanks. just need to pick up the 034 HFC now

and everyone make sure you get this shit checked out, it sucks if it you have this issue

AWDTURBO
07-23-2009, 02:43 PM
Hey guys so you guys with stock FP take a look at this http://www.audizine.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=18209

WayzataAudi
07-23-2009, 05:39 PM
YAAAY, just pulled the FP today. whew, only had a bad follower, no lobe issues or FP wear. but the follower did have a gaping hole in it.

old follower-
http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv333/WayzataAudi/DSC_0277.jpg

new follower-
http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv333/WayzataAudi/DSC_0280.jpg

FP-
http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv333/WayzataAudi/DSC_0279.jpg

rensho
11-06-2009, 06:22 PM
Are the 2008 B7 affected by this cam follower issue? Is there a date/vin range that we know of?

Hyphy
11-06-2009, 11:42 PM
Are the 2008 B7 affected by this cam follower issue?

Yes.

bblume
11-08-2009, 05:39 PM
So I will officially post this link here (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=274725) to help with this thread!

A pic for reference of mine in case you don't feel like going to the linkhttp://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn44/bblume8/CAMFOLLOWER.jpg

AWDTURBO
11-08-2009, 05:42 PM
im selling a KMD cam follower used about 1K miles for $40 shipped for anyone who wants a cam follower to last more then 10K miles.

eastwick897
11-08-2009, 05:57 PM
why you selling it?

Hyphy
11-08-2009, 10:22 PM
im selling a KMD cam follower used about 1K miles for $40 shipped for anyone who wants a cam follower to last more then 10K miles.

"[confused][confused][confused]"

AWDTURBO
11-08-2009, 10:24 PM
"[confused][confused][confused]"

??

Hyphy
11-08-2009, 10:25 PM
??

Why wouldn't you keep the follower?

AWDTURBO
11-08-2009, 10:27 PM
got an oem one for free and i need the cash so i wanted to sell it.

Hyphy
11-08-2009, 10:28 PM
got an oem one for free and i need the cash so i wanted to sell it.

I think the follower would be a better investment than the $40..[up]

AWDTURBO
11-08-2009, 10:29 PM
I think the follower would be a better investment than the $40..[up]

well i dont drive my car daily. for i go through 1 cam follower a yr.

wootwoot
11-08-2009, 11:33 PM
im selling a KMD cam follower used about 1K miles for $40 shipped for anyone who wants a cam follower to last more then 10K miles.

Are you saying that the stock cam follower is only good for 10k miles?

viziers
11-09-2009, 04:45 AM
Are you saying that the stock cam follower is only good for 10k miles?


He's just using sales tactics on ya....[:D]



vizi

sinned
11-09-2009, 06:20 AM
Why wouldn't you keep the follower?

Because he knows well that the OEM one is definitely superior to the KMD one, hence selling the KMD and keeping the OEM...

AWDTURBO
11-09-2009, 06:32 AM
He's just using sales tactics on ya....[:D]



vizi

[race]

Got me!

RedS-line
11-09-2009, 08:38 AM
^post up a pic of your kmd follower. id like to see how it looks after the 1k or so you put on it.

AWDTURBO
11-09-2009, 08:39 AM
when i get home, i have some unclear ones on my cell.

headshok2002
11-09-2009, 08:41 AM
Because he knows well that the OEM one is definitely superior to the KMD one, hence selling the KMD and keeping the OEM...

Haha this is the only thing that makes any sense! As if you'd tear into the car (not that it's a big job) to put in a (supposedly) inferior product to try and make 40 bucks?

AWDTURBO
11-09-2009, 08:47 AM
Haha this is the only thing that makes any sense! As if you'd tear into the car (not that it's a big job) to put in a (supposedly) inferior product to try and make 40 bucks?

I was switching out my KMD FP to the APR FP at the time.

RedS-line
11-09-2009, 11:35 PM
^did you have any problems with the kmd hpfp?> if so please elaborate

Sal_B7
11-20-2009, 09:30 AM
So after being one of those people that says it wont happen to me and it happened to me i decided to change out my follower at about 11K miles. This is what happened the first time.

Waited too long to check it and it went out on me.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/warrior62_00/Audi/follower.jpg
Here is my fuel pump all jacked up, pump seized and had to replace new parts. That wasnt cool.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/warrior62_00/Audi/photo-1.jpg

So after learning the hard way i decided to go out and buy the tools that i needed to do this job myself. I usually had a buddy do it but that was starting to get expensive.

Here is the fuel pump now.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/warrior62_00/Audi/CIMG2866.jpg
Here is a look at my cam
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/warrior62_00/Audi/CIMG2862.jpg
Here is a closer look, lightly worn but its still good.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/warrior62_00/Audi/CIMG2863.jpg
Here is the follower old one on the left, new on right. You can tell its definitely reaching its limit.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/warrior62_00/Audi/CIMG2870.jpg
Inside look
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/warrior62_00/Audi/CIMG2871.jpg
A side by side shot, old on left, new on right. You can see the wear on it and notice the new one is thicker. You could tell the weight on it as well.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/warrior62_00/Audi/CIMG2875.jpg

The job wasnt too hard at all, just make sure you have all the right tools and you can knock it out in like 30 min or so.

thanatos
01-10-2010, 02:37 AM
Here's a picture of the follower removed from my motor after only 40K:
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t4/04tuscani/follower.png
I haven't seen another one this bad! I baby the car, and have put 20 of the 40K on it in the last year, 95% of which is straight highway driving at about 60mph.

I've started a FB group where I'm trying to pull everyone from a half dozen forums together which I urge everyone to join:http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=235507629582

There's more pics of my cam shaft and follower there.

I'm wondering if anyone can tell me why the follower and cam shaft seem to come with expiration dates? Presumably because of how they're produced/shipped from the factory they'll only last so long outside of an engine, or will suffer visible/microscopic oxidation or other form of break down?

I ask because I kept the old parts after my dealer did the $3k service and the cam shaft they put in, was, you guessed it, expired 4 months ago [:|] I was 30 days out of warranty, with only 40K on the car, and AoNA wouldn't do !)@(*&# for me, I was left to pay over $3000. My A4 is stock with no performance mods whatsoever, and always serviced in advance of factory intervals.

illegitimus
01-10-2010, 08:12 AM
Wow! the bottom of that bucket was taken clean off, eh?! I am curious about whether the cam actually does have the expiration, like milk. Did the dealer actually confirm this? That would suggest that AoA should be replacing them at no charge to owners. Am I missing something? Set expiration negates the notion of wear and tear, especially, if the expiration of said cam shaft was set within intended warranty period/mileage. Just another reason for a class-action suit, IMO. Although, I don't have the cam follower/HPFP issues just yet I am joining the FB group in solidarity move.

nramsey
01-10-2010, 08:42 AM
Guess I can post mine to this thread too. This is off an '08 Tip Avant w/ 25k miles. The surface is still very glossy and smooth, with just the black coating wearing off a bit. Can't feel any surface scratches yet. I reinstalled it and will check every 5k miles moving forward.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2682/4241264063_a09d079121_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/4242037712_98861daece_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2507/4242037580_ed6eb83bcb_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/4242037928_904e840ef5_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4047/4242037830_ae64403f91_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4046/4241264691_a53db39c12_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2662/4242038394_796d61c88e_b.jpg

thanatos
01-10-2010, 09:14 AM
Wow! the bottom of that bucket was taken clean off, eh?! I am curious about whether the cam actually does have the expiration, like milk. Did the dealer actually confirm this? That would suggest that AoA should be replacing them at no charge to owners. Am I missing something? Set expiration negates the notion of wear and tear, especially, if the expiration of said cam shaft was set within intended warranty period/mileage. Just another reason for a class-action suit, IMO. Although, I don't have the cam follower/HPFP issues just yet I am joining the FB group in solidarity move.

Appreciate it! Yeah, absolutely no end left to the follower at all. I hope to get as many people on the FB group as possible, not just those experiencing the issue but also those who feel the same way about the manner in which AoNA has handled this.

The expiration date is on the box for the cam shaft, so I'm guessing that it's a best before sort of environment perhaps, i.e. must be installed into a motor before "X" date. Maybe the action it sees with movement and lubrication is required for its overall "health" the same way tires will dry rot if they're not used for long periods of time. I plan to inquire with the dealer first thing Monday on that one. I put better pictures of my situation up on FB, shows the full extent of the damage a bit more as I took some time to degrease the parts this morning and inspect further.

@nramsey: Yours looks to still be in reasonably good shape, but I applaud your plans to check it frequently. I will definitely be doing the same. I am curious to see how fast yours degrades as I suspect you have the "B" cam being an '08

headshok2002
01-10-2010, 09:22 AM
I was 30 days out of warranty, with only 40K on the car, and AoNA wouldn't do !)@(*&# for me, I was left to pay over $3000. My A4 is stock with no performance mods whatsoever, and always serviced in advance of factory intervals.

This is infuriating. Definitely a d-bag move on AoNA's part. Keep fighting! [headbang]

thanatos
01-10-2010, 09:55 AM
Here's a pic from another forum that shows an expiry date on the follower as well... I don't have that case though.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/hotgem/Cam%20follower.jpg

Tanner
01-10-2010, 10:40 AM
Early 2006 A4 with 60,000 miles:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2545/4101740938_28dee1a3be.jpg

The thing I don't really understand is that the wear/failure rate of the follower is all over the place. There are owners with an early 2006 (or really 2005.5) that ended up with the follower completely worn off.

thanatos
01-10-2010, 10:45 AM
The thing I don't really understand is that the wear/failure rate of the follower is all over the place. There are owners with an early 2006 (or really 2005.5) that ended up with the follower completely worn off.

It's really bizarre, maybe the soft HPFP lobe was a sporadic problem or something. My 06 is really an 05.5 I think, and I have 20K less miles than you do, and absolutely no end to the follower left at all.

Tanner
01-10-2010, 10:51 AM
It's really bizarre, maybe the soft HPFP lobe was a sporadic problem or something. My 06 is really an 05.5 I think, and I have 20K less miles than you do, and absolutely no end to the follower left at all.

When did you get your A4? I picked mine up back in late April 2005.

thanatos
01-10-2010, 10:57 AM
When did you get your A4? I picked mine up back in late April 2005.

I've only had mine for a couple years, it was originally purchased in November 2005 I believe, based on the carproof report I did before I bought it.

illegitimus
01-10-2010, 04:33 PM
Early 2006 A4 with 60,000 miles:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2545/4101740938_28dee1a3be.jpg

The thing I don't really understand is that the wear/failure rate of the follower is all over the place. There are owners with an early 2006 (or really 2005.5) that ended up with the follower completely worn off.
I am sure you replaced this one. I am at 57k and need to check on mine in the next week or so. I am going to buy a new cam follower tomorrow. I am sure my dealer has them in stock. Do you need a new seal?

Hyphy
01-10-2010, 05:25 PM
Do you need a new seal?

I'm not sure what you mean in 'seal', but no..You just simply swap it out for the new one..Just make sure you face it in the right direction lol

thanatos
01-10-2010, 06:12 PM
I'm not sure what you mean in 'seal', but no..You just simply swap it out for the new one..Just make sure you face it in the right direction lol

Baah it'll still work either way, just look at the pictures of mine... As long as you don't mind replacing your HPFP as well... [;)]

Tanner
01-10-2010, 06:46 PM
I am sure you replaced this one. I am at 57k and need to check on mine in the next week or so. I am going to buy a new cam follower tomorrow. I am sure my dealer has them in stock. Do you need a new seal?

Replaced with new seal that was recommended. The dealer I picked this up from didn't have the cam follower in stock, was a few days to get the part.

AWDTURBO
01-10-2010, 06:55 PM
i check mine at every 5K miles.

I spoke at a audi tech today, a friend, and he said that no matter how much we fight this cam problem, its never going to go away. he gets a avg of 3 cars a week in the dealership with failed cams, fp, all that crap. He said checking you cam follower every 5K miles or 50K miles wont help it. Sucks.

illegitimus
01-10-2010, 06:59 PM
Replaced with new seal that was recommended. The dealer I picked this up from didn't have the cam follower in stock, was a few days to get the part. Thank you for the confirmation on that.

AWDTURBO
01-10-2010, 07:01 PM
what is this seal we speak of?

Tanner
01-10-2010, 07:02 PM
i check mine at every 5K miles.

I spoke at a audi tech today, a friend, and he said that no matter how much we fight this cam problem, its never going to go away. he gets a avg of 3 cars a week in the dealership with failed cams, fp, all that crap. He said checking you cam follower every 5K miles or 50K miles wont help it. Sucks.

Not sure what you mean, I know the follower will eventually wear out but are you saying that the hpfp will eventually need to be replaced due to the wear because of the follower?

AWDTURBO
01-10-2010, 07:05 PM
Everything by our FP is FAIL.

If you dont have the most updated FP from Audi, yes it CAN ( not saying that it will ) seize.

illegitimus
01-10-2010, 07:07 PM
i check mine at every 5K miles.

I spoke at a audi tech today, a friend, and he said that no matter how much we fight this cam problem, its never going to go away. he gets a avg of 3 cars a week in the dealership with failed cams, fp, all that crap. He said checking you cam follower every 5K miles or 50K miles wont help it. Sucks. So, what he is suggesting, based on the experience with cars he's seen go through their shop is that the failure is totally sporadic? I kind of see it in the forum, anyway, based on what folks have reported so far. The environment and conditions, to which these cam followers are subjected are clearly very severe: temperature and pressure differentials vary non-linear, obviously, but still it isn't a rocket science. Hell, maybe it is, so maybe Audi mechanical engineers should consult with NASA on the subject.

AWDTURBO
01-10-2010, 07:09 PM
So, what he is suggesting, based on the experience with cars he's seen go through their shop is that the failure is totally sporadic? I kind of see it in the forum, anyway, based on what folks have reported so far. The environment and conditions, to which these cam followers are subjected are clearly very severe: temperature and pressure differentials vary non-linear, obviously, but still it isn't a rocket science. Hell, maybe it is, so maybe Audi mechanical engineers should consult with NASA on the subject.

He said that Audi should have gave us the same deisgn as the RS4 where they have a roller instead of a cam follower. He said unless Audi releases a new cam follower design there will be no other choise but to keep replacing our cams when they go, eventually.

Tanner
01-10-2010, 07:10 PM
Everything by our FP is FAIL.

If you dont have the most updated FP from Audi, yes it CAN ( not saying that it will ) seize.

Seems that the possible solution from H2sport might be ideal. Not sure why audi didn't use the roller cam follower in our 2.0T since every one of their FSI engine including the new 2.0T uses a roller cam follower.

AWDTURBO
01-10-2010, 07:14 PM
exactly, its like we are the red headed child that no one cares about.

Tanner
01-10-2010, 07:17 PM
exactly, its like we are the red headed child that no one cares about.

LOL. Though I don't think the fixed the intake valves gunking up!

illegitimus
01-10-2010, 07:18 PM
what is this seal we speak of?
In this image, #2 next to the infamous cam follower, #6. Just in case, the part number for the seal is 06E 127 248:
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt271/bagsbie/Audi%20stuff/hpfp.gif

AWDTURBO
01-10-2010, 07:20 PM
does anyone have a picture of this seal before installing it with the cam follower?

nramsey
01-10-2010, 08:57 PM
i check mine at every 5K miles.

I spoke at a audi tech today, a friend, and he said that no matter how much we fight this cam problem, its never going to go away. he gets a avg of 3 cars a week in the dealership with failed cams, fp, all that crap. He said checking you cam follower every 5K miles or 50K miles wont help it. Sucks.

I don't understand this logic. The failure mode from what we've seen is that the cam follower wears through over time, eventually allowing the follower to get messed up to the point where it starts scoring the cam. If the follower wears all the way through the fuel pump starts riding on the cam and REALLY starts ruining stuff.

So how would it not keep things in order if you check the condition of the parts regularly and replace the follower once it starts to show issues? What would the failure mode be at that point? I don't see how the cam can wear if the follower is in top shape. I don't think we've yet seen anyone with a ruined cam and a follower in good condition.

nramsey
01-10-2010, 09:00 PM
does anyone have a picture of this seal before installing it with the cam follower?

It's less a "seal" and more a rubber o-ring. You can see it in this pic of my pump. It's the black ring around the housing right near the end where the piston is.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4029/4241264937_031b7733a9_b.jpg

Tanner
01-10-2010, 09:01 PM
Though we don't know how the lobe wears out when the cam follower is starting to wear out.... and when it does, it's not exactly smooth. So I'm thinking any imperfection on the cam follower will result in the lobe taking on some wear. However, from folks have posted, the lobe doesn't look to be worn out at all when the cam follower was replaced but at the same time the follower wasn't excessively worn out.

nramsey
01-10-2010, 09:03 PM
In this image, #2 next to the infamous cam follower, #6. Just in case, the part number for the seal is 06E 127 248:
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt271/bagsbie/Audi%20stuff/hpfp.gif

I don't think #2 is a seal. It looks like the metal snap ring that's around the base of the follower. It comes with the follower when you buy one from the dealer. There is no seal there other than the rubber o-ring that seals the fuel pump to the head.

Tanner
01-10-2010, 09:15 PM
The metal ring is part of the follower. The seal is in fact #2 that goes onto the fuel pump as you mention.

I think in general, seals aren't reused and rather replaced.

AWDTURBO
01-10-2010, 09:17 PM
i never replaced the O ring. Is that something to worry about?

Tanner
01-10-2010, 09:35 PM
You should be fine.

AWDTURBO
01-10-2010, 10:33 PM
Ok.

My cam follower should be coming out within 2 weeks. I have the APR FP ill be sure to upload pics.

illegitimus
01-11-2010, 05:11 AM
The metal ring is part of the follower. The seal is in fact #2 that goes onto the fuel pump as you mention.

I think in general, seals aren't reused and rather replaced. Ok. I wanted to make sure if it comes with the cam follower or it needs to be ordered separately. I am going to pick one up today, so I wanted to make sure and not make multiple trips to the dealer.

AWDTURBO
01-11-2010, 08:27 AM
it comes with the cam follower.

I am looking at one now and there is a metal ring around the lip of the cam follower.

thanatos
01-11-2010, 09:47 AM
Quick note on the expired cam shaft thing:


> Hello
>
> There is indeed an error on this sticker. It should normally say "None"
> beside the expiry date but it looks like on this tag they have put the
> production date. You can point out the customer that the production
> date line, just above the expiry date, is the same 09.09.2009.
>
> I checked the location and it looks like all the labels for the 09/2009
> have this printing error, the ones from different dates all have no
> expiry date.

In my own defense, the "production date" is labelled as:

1 Stόck PP 09.09.2009 ... not exactly as easy to understand as the next line:

Expire date: 2009/09

Good news is, my cam shaft won't have been installed moldy, I guess [:p]

jayphil82
01-11-2010, 10:44 AM
I don't understand this logic. The failure mode from what we've seen is that the cam follower wears through over time, eventually allowing the follower to get messed up to the point where it starts scoring the cam. If the follower wears all the way through the fuel pump starts riding on the cam and REALLY starts ruining stuff.

So how would it not keep things in order if you check the condition of the parts regularly and replace the follower once it starts to show issues? What would the failure mode be at that point? I don't see how the cam can wear if the follower is in top shape. I don't think we've yet seen anyone with a ruined cam and a follower in good condition.

My question is if the follower wear why would not cam also wear too? It will still be a lot better if the cam follower stay in good shape to minimize the uneven wear of the cam...

Few times I read that our oil get a lot of dillution from fuel / water and is barely effective passed 3k miles. So by doing 3k miles intervals oil changes we should minimize the wear of both the follower and cam.

illegitimus
01-11-2010, 11:02 AM
The metal ring is part of the follower. The seal is in fact #2 that goes onto the fuel pump as you mention.

I think in general, seals aren't reused and rather replaced. Yep. I just ordered one and am going to pick it up with the cam follower from the dealer.

illegitimus
01-11-2010, 11:06 AM
My question is if the follower wear why would not cam also wear too? It will still be a lot better if the cam follower stay in good shape to minimize the uneven wear of the cam...

Few time I read the our oil get a lot of dillution from fuel / water and is barely effective passed 3k miles. So by doing 3k miles intervals oil changes we should minimize the wear of both the follower and cam. To contrast your question, go up on the thread and look at the Facebook link by thanatos, you'll see a very severe wear on the cam lobe. Of course, in his case, it was caused by the pump's piston (not sure what the actual name for the part is) riding on the lobe since the cam follower was eaten right through it. I think, with good synthetic oil you can go to 5k but I won't go any farther than that...

TheHeggi
01-11-2010, 11:54 AM
Just did mine yesterday. At approx 70k on an 05.5. LOOKS to be the original hardware, but not sure since I bought it used. All the black coating was worn off the face and there was a small rough spot starting to develop directly where the piston meets the other side. The cam felt smooth, even with a fingernail, but has many fine scratches appearance wise. Looks like I should have done this slightly sooner, but doesn't look like it was too late thankfully. I change oil every 5k and just use Castrol Syntec.

colt45
01-11-2010, 11:56 AM
well the dealer called me and my fuel pump died and it damaged my cam and cam follower so I get it all replaced for free. yay dont have to do it myself.

Tanner
01-11-2010, 11:57 AM
Pics of the wear?

Just had an idea.... if you have a flickr account, take a pic of your cam follower and post it up here:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/1357399@N22/

In fact, anything relevant to the issue can be posted here. Include details along with the pic, such as the mileage, year of car, etc.

I know there's a facebook group for this though frankly I'm not really one to use fb but you can at least link your image on flickr onto facebook.

AWDTURBO
01-11-2010, 12:02 PM
What tool do you guys use to take off the Valve?

It seems that i have to replace the valve everytime since i damage the bolt on it because of how weird angled it is?

I am going to pick up a step of these i think:

http://s.sears.com/is/image/Sears/00944096000-1?hei=600&wid=600&op_sharpen=1&qlt=90,0&resMode=sh arp&op_usm=0.9,0.5,0,0

its a better grip then a 3 sided wrench

jimrobbington
01-11-2010, 01:23 PM
Ok, this is awesome. I looked at every picture on that DIY. It will help a lot. I have never checked this, since I have never had any fueling issues. It is so strange how these wear out completely randomly. I am at 95k and am very interested in seeing what mine looks like. Once I get all the correct tools in hand, I will do this, and post pics. I am sure we are all interested in a 95k follower. No idea if it has ever been replaced by previous owner, but since I am stage 2 now, I figure now better than ever, I should get this looked at. Thanks for compiling this info Hyphy! +rep.

jimrobbington
01-11-2010, 01:29 PM
Also, dumb question perhaps, it seems you all do this when you do oil change. Is it necessary to change oil when you do this, or do you get bored waiting for oil to drain and do this?

TheHeggi
01-11-2010, 01:36 PM
Also, dumb question perhaps, it seems you all do this when you do oil change. Is it necessary to change oil when you do this, or do you get bored waiting for oil to drain and do this?

It's just a good interval to do it at. It really has no relation other than that. I'd say at 95k, you definitely need to check it asap. I had no symptoms other than a low pressure fuel regulation CEL, and that made me paranoid enough. It looks like I changed it just in time, maybe a little later than I should have. At least check for the peace of mind if anything [:)]

jimrobbington
01-11-2010, 01:38 PM
I have NEVER had any codes EVER for any type of fueling issues. One of the main reasons I pay my shop to do my oil changes, since they will do a free inspection, and VAG for codes. But regardless I will be doing this by this weekend hopefully. Gonna order a new follower just in case, and get all the tools ready. I am interested to see what mine looks like comparatively.

TheHeggi
01-11-2010, 01:44 PM
Exactly. When it comes to something that can cost you more than $3,000 if not watched, you're gonna COMPLETELY slap yourself if you could have changed the future with a $50 part. No matter who's fault it is for bad engineering. It just doesn't make sense to be in denial about this issue. Anger and bitterness towards a car manufacturer doesn't get you your engine back [>_<]

jimrobbington
01-11-2010, 01:48 PM
All in all, this isn't that big a deal, if Audi would come out and make it regular maintenance, and every one who owned an audi knew about it, just like changing oil. Not a big deal to check it every now and then, even replace it from time to time. It's just the uninformed people, and the unlucky ones who didn't find out in time that are screwed.

TheHeggi
01-11-2010, 01:51 PM
They can't make it regular maintenance since they can't predict an interval it will need replacing. Some have lasted only 15k and some last much longer...if they told you there was a $50 part that needed to be replaced every 10-15k miles, would you be excited about it? Especially for less mechanically inclined people who rely on the dealership for service at $200 a pop?

jimrobbington
01-11-2010, 01:57 PM
True...but regardless, everyone who owns an Audi should know about this issue. They should be told by Audi. It is like they are trying to hide this issue, and act like it's some kind of freak occurence every time they have to rape some poor soul for 3-4 grand to fix their problem they should have known how to check for themselves.

On a side note. Is this the exact same process it would take to install the new APR HPFP?

AWDTURBO
01-11-2010, 02:03 PM
Yup, all the FP come out the same.

jimrobbington
01-11-2010, 02:06 PM
I had no idea that it was so easy! Although, I thought there was danger of the H\high pressure fuel line? It can be compressed up to like 1000 psi, right? My shop told me it can be dangerous dealing with it in that aspect. Is there anything not in the DIY from this thread, that is necessary to do to safely relieve this pressure?

TheHeggi
01-11-2010, 02:20 PM
I had no idea that it was so easy! Although, I thought there was danger of the H\high pressure fuel line? It can be compressed up to like 1000 psi, right? My shop told me it can be dangerous dealing with it in that aspect. Is there anything not in the DIY from this thread, that is necessary to do to safely relieve this pressure?

You'll have to take out fuse 28 in the fuse panel. Then run the car until it dies. I cranked a few extra times just for fun. Some gas will leak when you take off the fittings, but I had no spray whatsoever. VERY important though that you do this, as it does build 1500-1600psi. It's not a step you just forget to do...

jimrobbington
01-11-2010, 02:24 PM
Right, glad I asked! Then why is there no mention of this in the DIY whatsoever? Very unsafe to not mention this most important fact with a completely thorough 202 pictured DIY!?

Hyphy-you may want to add this small fact in your intro to this thread, so no one cuts their goddamn arm off with a spray of fuel or what not!

TheHeggi
01-11-2010, 02:36 PM
There are several DIY's out there, and I think they all cover some sort of pressure relief. The newer pumps have a bleeder valve on them instead. But if there is any up without addressing relieving fuel pressure, it needs to be addressed immediately.

jimrobbington
01-11-2010, 02:40 PM
I just clicked on the how to link in the first post of this thread, and it said everything BUT that.

TheHeggi
01-11-2010, 02:49 PM
You speak troof sir, that's the one I mostly used, but didn't realize it didn't address the relief since I had read it from other DIYs and searching...maybe someone should make a note somewhere...

jimrobbington
01-11-2010, 02:51 PM
I am actually surprised that this hasn't come up from someone else noticing, or getting hurt. I just did a quick search, and that DIY was the first one that came up. I haven't seen another one yet. I will keep looking, and add this fact to them if I notice they don't mention it.

AWDTURBO
01-11-2010, 02:53 PM
What tool do you guys use to take off the Valve?

It seems that i have to replace the valve everytime since i damage the bolt on it because of how weird angled it is?

I am going to pick up a step of these i think:

http://s.sears.com/is/image/Sears/00944096000-1?hei=600&amp;wid=600&amp;op_sharpen=1&amp;qlt=90,0&amp;resMode=sh arp&amp;op_usm=0.9,0.5,0,0

its a better grip then a 3 sided wrench

bump?

TheHeggi
01-11-2010, 03:02 PM
I would help if I knew what valve you were talking about...I just think it's the valve that I don't have...thought, instead of ruining the valve, just do the fuse thing...quicker anyway.

illegitimus
01-17-2010, 02:04 PM
does anyone have a picture of this seal before installing it with the cam follower? Here's a new bucket and the seal we've talked about on here. Based on the Audi tech's recommendation, it needs to be replaced if taking the pump out. So my hunch was correct and I picked it up. The part # is 06E-127-248. It costs $9.68 at my dealer (retail). I get a bit of a discount, so my price was $7.74.

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt271/bagsbie/Audi%20stuff/followerwiththeseal.jpg

thanatos
01-17-2010, 04:06 PM
I don't think I remembered to post it, but I got the name and address of the CEO of Audi Canada last week. I wrote him a polite but frustrated letter, and included pictures of my damage. Sent it registered mail so it should be there Monday or Tuesday at the latest. I won't hold my breath, but it sure would be nice to hear from them.

illegitimus
01-17-2010, 05:14 PM
I don't think I remembered to post it, but I got the name and address of the CEO of Audi Canada last week. I wrote him a polite but frustrated letter, and included pictures of my damage. Sent it registered mail so it should be there Monday or Tuesday at the latest. I won't hold my breath, but it sure would be nice to hear from them.

I commend and admire your persistence. I hope, you'll get some break in the deal for your efforts and troubles with your car. Keep the forum posted if you hear from the guy...

jimrobbington
01-18-2010, 07:22 AM
I have everything ordered to do this, finally. The follower should be here this week, but the tools I oredere won't be here till the week after! I ordered from Sears online. I couldn't find the 8mm "triple square" tool anywhere! Oh well, I will get it done. I guess I should go to the dealership and pick up that o ring?

headshok2002
01-18-2010, 08:35 AM
Here's a new bucket and the seal we've talked about on here. Based on the Audi tech's recommendation, it needs to be replaced if taking the pump out. So my hunch was correct and I picked it up. The part # is 06E-127-248. It costs $9.68 at my dealer (retail). I get a bit of a discount, so my price was $7.74.

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt271/bagsbie/Audi%20stuff/followerwiththeseal.jpg

This makes me laugh.
I guess their plan is to make enough profit off those rubber seals that when they do have to recall this crap they will have gained enough $ to pay for it. :P
Rubber ring for 9.68. Ha

jimrobbington
01-18-2010, 08:44 AM
So, is this not necessary to replace? I mean, it's just a rubber O ring, right? So wouldn't I be able to notice if it needs replacing, ie. if it's cracked, or deteriorating?

illegitimus
01-18-2010, 10:20 AM
This makes me laugh.
I guess their plan is to make enough profit off those rubber seals that when they do have to recall this crap they will have gained enough $ to pay for it. :P
Rubber ring for 9.68. Ha They definitely know how to make a profit for sure... Oil filter is $10 and that was the best they could do. I guess, I am going to buy those from a VW dealer. I am pretty sure, you can find out if that o-ring seal can be had at VW for cheaper as well...

illegitimus
01-18-2010, 12:38 PM
So, is this not necessary to replace? I mean, it's just a rubber O ring, right? So wouldn't I be able to notice if it needs replacing, ie. if it's cracked, or deteriorating? You probably can get away with reusing it but per Bentley manual it requires to be replaced when removing the HPFP. That's all I am saying. The same logic is applied to the torx bolts that hold the pump to the engine. If you unbolt the pump a couple of times it is recommended that you replace those bolts the third time.

headshok2002
01-19-2010, 06:18 AM
They definitely know how to make a profit for sure... Oil filter is $10 and that was the best they could do. I guess, I am going to buy those from a VW dealer. I am pretty sure, you can find out if that o-ring seal can be had at VW for cheaper as well...

FCP Groton (forum sponsor) sells the filters for 5-6 bucks and are Mann or Mehle (OEM).

My dealer (Owasco in Ontario) also hooked me up... but I'd get them 12 at a time. (the family now owns six 1.8Ts).

illegitimus
01-19-2010, 09:23 AM
FCP Groton (forum sponsor) sells the filters for 5-6 bucks and are Mann or Mehle (OEM).

My dealer (Owasco in Ontario) also hooked me up... but I'd get them 12 at a time. (the family now owns six 1.8Ts).

$5-6 for a canister type filter? that's a bargain! I ended up getting 5 from ebay and they ended up being $8 a piece with shipping.

headshok2002
01-19-2010, 09:44 AM
$5-6 for a canister type filter? that's a bargain! I ended up getting 5 from ebay and they ended up being $8 a piece with shipping.

Oy, sorry.
For the oem "big" metal filter for the 1.8T.

They don't show the canister type filter on their site but if you call/email them they can most likely get them.

ataylor
01-19-2010, 09:59 AM
i put a new follower in 6k ago with the KMD fuel pump.

we're checking the status of it this week

have not had fuel cut/surging issues

will post results..

jimrobbington
01-28-2010, 11:03 AM
Alright! My first ever follower check is halfway a success! Totally easy taking everything off, we'll see about putting it back. I am at over 95,000 miles, never checked it in the 20+k I have owned it. Don't know if it had ever been changed during previous ownership, but by the looks of it, I would just assume it did get changed.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo109/jimrobbington/P1020498.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo109/jimrobbington/P1020499.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo109/jimrobbington/P1020500.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo109/jimrobbington/P1020501.jpg

As you can see, there is wear on all sides, but nothing unusual, or near dangerous conditions. I will go ahead and replace it with the new one, just as a benchmark and save the old one just in case. You can feel scratches with a fingernail on top, but there is plenty of surface left. Looks the same thickness from the side. Hopefully it all goes together just as easy!

thanatos
01-28-2010, 11:19 AM
Alright! My first ever follower check is halfway a success! Totally easy taking everything off, we'll see about putting it back. I am at over 95,000 miles, never checked it in the 20+k I have owned it. Don't know if it had ever been changed during previous ownership, but by the looks of it, I would just assume it did get changed.

As you can see, there is wear on all sides, but nothing unusual, or near dangerous conditions. I will go ahead and replace it with the new one, just as a benchmark and save the old one just in case. You can feel scratches with a fingernail on top, but there is plenty of surface left. Looks the same thickness from the side. Hopefully it all goes together just as easy!

Not bad man! Let me know how you fare putting it all back in place.

I received a response from my letter to the President/CEO of Audi of Canada (which I'd sent because of the lack of response and assistance from customer care, at the suggestion of customer care). The response was, basically, "I acknowledge your letter and have referred it to customer relations"...

What a crock.

headshok2002
01-28-2010, 11:26 AM
Not bad man! Let me know how you fare putting it all back in place.

I received a response from my letter to the President/CEO of Audi of Canada (which I'd sent because of the lack of response and assistance from customer care, at the suggestion of customer care). The response was, basically, "I acknowledge your letter and have referred it to customer relations"...

What a crock.

Hopefully the CR rep who gets the info forwarded from the CEO takes it very seriously.

KiddEng
01-28-2010, 11:30 AM
Jimrobbington: did you get a new O-ring seal that is on the HPFP? or you just reusing the old one?

jimrobbington
01-28-2010, 11:33 AM
Jimrobbington: did you get a new O-ring seal that is on the HPFP? or you just reusing the old one?

Negative. I did not replace. So many people have done the same, I figured it was ok at least every other time. PUtting it back was way easy. I was very surprised at how easy this whole thing was. Next time, I will be able to do without flipping through the DIY, and I would estimate 1/2hour to 3/4 hour time. Every one should do this. NEVER pay 95 bucks labor to have this done for you. If I can do it, you can do it.

Tanner
01-28-2010, 11:37 AM
Alright! My first ever follower check is halfway a success! Totally easy taking everything off, we'll see about putting it back. I am at over 95,000 miles, never checked it in the 20+k I have owned it. Don't know if it had ever been changed during previous ownership, but by the looks of it, I would just assume it did get changed.

The condition of yours looks like mine, but I was about 30,000 miles less than yours. I'm wondering if the 2005.5 models which I also have had a better cam follower, then the part changed to something 'cheaper' along the way as it doesn't make sense why one cam follower would wear out much quicker than yours or mine.

jimrobbington
01-28-2010, 11:41 AM
I am assuming that mine was changed somewhere along the way, and may have had a big issue like some people have. Either way, everything is fine now, and I know not to worry. Every engine is completely different, and each person will probably have different amounts of wear over time. It is just good to check yours so that you know what the "safe" interval for checking is. For some, it's 3000 miles, for people like me it's 10-20,000.

remOOOO
01-28-2010, 11:47 AM
good job! mine looked just like Yours back a 58.000 replacement looks almost like new at 71.000 so I did not changed it.

illegitimus
01-30-2010, 03:24 PM
Got the cam follower replaced on my car today. Here are a few shots of the piece:

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt271/bagsbie/Audi%20stuff/cam_follower06.jpg

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt271/bagsbie/Audi%20stuff/cam_follower02.jpg

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt271/bagsbie/Audi%20stuff/cam_follower03.jpg

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt271/bagsbie/Audi%20stuff/cam_follower04.jpg

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt271/bagsbie/Audi%20stuff/cam_follower05.jpg

the old follower and a new one taking a plunge in oil before the install:

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt271/bagsbie/Audi%20stuff/cam_follower08.jpg

Cam lobe view. Some nicks but smooth to touch:

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt271/bagsbie/Audi%20stuff/cam_lobe02.jpg

Fuel pump out:

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt271/bagsbie/Audi%20stuff/fuel_pump.jpg

I am at 58500 miles on my 06. The follower shows all the signs of wear with black coating being completely off the face of it. I am glad I did it. Also, I put together a DIY with the pictures from BJ McGee with own annotations, some pointers and few pictures of my own. I am going to stick it in a new thread. The doc is in PDF format too for ease of use. I hope it'd be helpful.

nramsey
01-30-2010, 04:37 PM
Nice job checking and replacing. Looks like you got it pretty much just in time!

illegitimus
01-30-2010, 05:02 PM
Nice job checking and replacing. Looks like you got it pretty much just in time! thanks! I could not put it off for much longer judging by the condition of the follower.

Sal_B7
01-30-2010, 08:08 PM
i checked mine the other day. Replaced it 5K miles ago. Still good to go. Just has the markings from the fuel pump tip. Black coating is still on it. I usually replace mine at about 10K.

Here it is at 5K with Royal purple
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/warrior62_00/Audi/P1290684.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/warrior62_00/Audi/P1290686.jpg

I noticed for me the follower wears faster with the HPFP. I upgraded to Motul oil so we will see if that helps. The last oil change i used Royal purple.

TFSI
01-30-2010, 08:19 PM
i checked mine the other day. Replaced it 5K miles ago. Still good to go. Just has the markings from the fuel pump tip. Black coating is still on it. I usually replace mine at about 10K.

Here it is at 5K with Royal purple


I noticed for me the follower wears faster with the HPFP. I upgraded to Motul oil so we will see if that helps. The last oil change i used Royal purple.

do you use royal purple? what's the viscosity?

Sal_B7
01-30-2010, 08:23 PM
I did for 2 oil changes. Umm..not sure on that. Ill see if i have a bottle lying around and ill check.

Sal_B7
01-30-2010, 08:46 PM
ummm...what do you mean by Viscosity?? lol

headshok2002
01-31-2010, 07:37 AM
ummm...what do you mean by Viscosity?? lol

IE: 5w40

Hyphy
01-31-2010, 12:18 PM
This thread should be a sticky for everyone to use as a helpful guide for the importance on checking your HPFP *Cam and cam follower*.

Hyphy
01-31-2010, 12:19 PM
ummm...what do you mean by Viscosity?? lol

The thickness of the oil (if you will).

Sal_B7
01-31-2010, 09:33 PM
oh thats what that meant!! lol I knew that.

Well i guess i wasnt doing my homework right. I checked the container and its 5W 30. We are suppose to use 5W 40 right?

CleverA4Name
02-03-2010, 02:45 PM
THIS:
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/2747/camshaft.jpg

LED TO THIS (Yes it really is worn the whole way through):
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8426/camfollower.jpg

WHICH LED TO THIS (Chipped and scratched):
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/6060/hpfp.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4314/hpfp2.jpg

Sorry for the cell phone pics, I thought they would let me take the parts home, but per Audi of America policy, on any parts repairs the replaced parts need to be sent back to AofA...

jimrobbington
02-03-2010, 02:53 PM
Damn, Trent, that sucks. Did they have to replace the cam, I assume? I got all the tools to do this now, so let me know if you ever want to check it in the future, and we can do it up.

cheemn
02-03-2010, 04:04 PM
How many miles was your car when you had this done and at what mileage did you do the REVO stage 1?

headshok2002
02-03-2010, 04:29 PM
Yikes. While this is simple to avoid, I am happy I've got a 1.8T these days. Imagine what's happening to regular people who don't give a damn about their cars? Audi is on track to get a horrible reputation again--just a few years after finally freeing themselves of the bad rep created by the 4000/5000 etc.
Sad.

Sal_B7
02-03-2010, 06:13 PM
Yeah it totally sucks!!

I feel sorry for the people that dont come on the forums and dont know about the issues. It would be nice if the SA would tell the customers to keep an eye on it.

Trent- that sucks man!! Glad you got it covered though. Thats a expensive repair bill!!


Whats wrong with the cam?? Are the lobes suppose to be warn down like that? I dunno what the cam is suppose to look like.

cheemn
02-03-2010, 06:27 PM
I am soooo soooooo curious as to the mileage of your car Trent, when this service was done and at what mileage did ya do the REVO stage 1? I think anyone who has pics put up and should put that info so we can all start to correlate the relationship between chipping, oil type, and interval of oil change and cam follower damage etc. Maybe we can see how much worse off the cam followers are after chipping in a more quantified manner. I am so close to chipping but hesitant cause of the cam follower issue.

CleverA4Name
02-04-2010, 07:53 AM
Jim, I had to replace the camshaft, the cam follower, and the High Pressure Fuel Pump (HPFP). I wanted to upgrade to the APR? HPFP, but money was a little tight after this.

The end of the cam that is shown is apparently supposed to be more triangular and not worn down. I was told that because of the softer metal that these original camshafts were made with, they wear down like that.

Unfortunately it wasn't covered, I was around 2 or 3 weeks out of my warranty.

My car had 63xxx miles on it when I took it in because of fuel cuts.

All of this work was done before I had my car flashed with REVO as per the advice given to me by my shop. They didn't want to flash the REVO unless the car was in perfect condition, so I can say that it is not because of the REVO flash that this damage occured.

What really pisses me off is that the dealership that I bought it from said they ran an entire inspection of the car before I bought it (which was about a month before this happened). How can you miss something like this that is such a big problem? I am sure they knew about it, but didn't want to pay for it.

In the end I ended up paying $1300 out of pocket, and that was after Audi of America covered 50% of the parts, which was all I could squeeze out of them after hours on the phone.

Thanatos - I was going to send a letter as well, keep me updated if you ever hear back from them

Some words of advice after going through this:
1. Make sure to check your follower often.
2. Make your dealership check on your camshaft before you warranty is up (Make sure you take the Audi Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) in with you when you go, it will give you a lot of leverage.
4. Tell any of your friends that are interested in buying an Audi to come lurk on AZ for a few days, if I would have then I could have saved a lot of time and money [:(]

I am glad I have AZ now though!

Sal_B7
02-04-2010, 09:56 AM
thanks for the update on that.

Do you know if you had the revision A cam? They should have put in the stronger B cam.

My buddy i use to go to is a VW tech and he made sure everything was up to date on the car for me before i bought it.

really sucks about that though man. Yeah just keep an eye out for it. All you can really do now.

Tanner
02-04-2010, 10:33 AM
Yikes. While this is simple to avoid, I am happy I've got a 1.8T these days. Imagine what's happening to regular people who don't give a damn about their cars? Audi is on track to get a horrible reputation again--just a few years after finally freeing themselves of the bad rep created by the 4000/5000 etc.
Sad.

I doubt it. This issue is only with our 2.0T engine, all other FSI engines are using a roller-style cam follower.

And it's not like people are getting killed or seriously injured like with the 5000S when people claimed that they hit the brake pedal on the car and how 60 Minutes basically twisted the story around. It needs to be at the level of what Toyota is having to deal with right now.

Oh btw since numbers in the end speaks volume, as much as I detest Facebook, sign up on this group that one of the members here created: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=235507629582

cheemn
02-04-2010, 11:04 AM
Thanks too for the update on those pics of damage etc. You gave a lot of valuable information that all people should consider. I am now thinking twice about chipping my car. I can deal with checking my cam every 10,000 miles or so but not more frequent than that. If I start to become anymore paranoid I might just get rid of this car before it drives me nuts.

Tanner
02-04-2010, 11:14 AM
I don't think there are any real significant issues with chipping. There are folks that have issues with the fuel being cut-out at high RPM from time to time, which could be attributed to the HPFP, but in general, this doesn't happen that often in the grand scheme of things. I've been chipped for a year (basically after the warranty expired), so far so good. Just the original DV that failed on me a month after I got chipped but I was expecting that to happen anyways.

CleverA4Name
02-04-2010, 11:22 AM
Thanks too for the update on those pics of damage etc. You gave a lot of valuable information that all people should consider. I am now thinking twice about chipping my car. I can deal with checking my cam every 10,000 miles or so but not more frequent than that. If I start to become anymore paranoid I might just get rid of this car before it drives me nuts.

If you read my post you would have found that the camshaft/follower/HPFP issue was not a result of having it chipped.

I had my car chipped AFTER the cam/follower/HPFP were replaced, and I haven't had a problem with it yet.

Kubus
02-04-2010, 11:49 AM
Just got my new parts, hopefully will do the install tonight with my room-mate

http://www.rlyslow.com/Random/AudiA4/cam_follower.jpg

cheemn
02-04-2010, 11:56 AM
I did understand that but I have been also hearing (reading) that chipping is just another factor along with oil change interval, etc that can affect cam follower wear. Anyways thanks again for the info. :-)

jimrobbington
02-04-2010, 02:34 PM
I did understand that but I have been also hearing (reading) that chipping is just another factor along with oil change interval, etc that can affect cam follower wear. Anyways thanks again for the info. :-)

Nothing affects this issue more than just being stock EXCEPT an upgraded HPFP. That is the only thing that causes this to wear faster than normal. It just seems that every car is different, and stock setup on one car will burn through a cam follower in 30k miles, and stock setup on another car will burn through it in 90k miles.

Kubus
02-04-2010, 09:17 PM
99000 km!

http://www.rlyslow.com/Random/AudiA4/DSC_4339.jpg

B72.0T
02-04-2010, 09:29 PM
Do/did you beat on your car a lot? ^