AWD Swap almost DONE

[O2VW1.8T]

Well today i installed the whole rear of a quattro B6 A4 into my 2004 audi A4 front trak. Gas tank fit perfectly, all the straps fit, stock speed sensors fit, stock e-brake cables fit. I had to extend the fuel pump harness to go under the seat as the FWD fuel pump is in the trunk. So all i did was fallow the harness and re-ran the harness to go under the seat. No cutting at all... Thats basically it... I found out the quattro shocks are the same as the FWD sport, only difference is the springs at one more dot im guessing a little stiffer cause of the weight. anyways heres the pics.

Quattro gas tank
http://www.box.net/shared/static/zva27dnh5f.JPG

quattro rear end
http://www.box.net/shared/static/434mp28b6y.JPG
http://www.box.net/shared/static/ofnquh0olx.JPG

Difference between the gas tanks
http://www.box.net/shared/static/h114z0o5um.jpg

FWD rear end
http://www.box.net/shared/static/rj8dy2i1vs.jpg

FWD rear end removed
http://www.box.net/shared/static/6scu4fuvko.jpg

Gas thank and rear removed
http://www.box.net/shared/static/nl7tg4rhix.jpg

installing quattro rear
http://www.box.net/shared/static/qetmrj712m.jpg

quattro installed

http://www.box.net/shared/static/jlzl9yh8ve.jpg

quattro fuel pump
http://www.box.net/shared/static/07p8gn8tk6.jpg

On the alignment rack, everything went smooth
http://www.box.net/shared/static/5p708hxgzm.jpg

Pictures not that great, took them with my phone.

[BEESIX]

Well today i installed the whole rear of a quattro B6 A4 into my 2004 audi A4 front trak. Gas tank fit perfectly, all the straps fit, stock speed sensors fit, stock e-brake cables fit. I had to extend the fuel pump harness to go under the seat as the FWD fuel pump is in the trunk. So all i did was fallow the harness and re-ran the harness to go under the seat. No cutting at all... Thats basically it... I found out the quattro shocks are the same as the FWD sport, only difference is the springs at one more dot im guessing a little stiffer cause of the weight. anyways heres the pics.

Quattro gas tank
http://www.box.net/shared/static/zva27dnh5f.JPG

quattro rear end
http://www.box.net/shared/static/434mp28b6y.JPG
http://www.box.net/shared/static/ofnquh0olx.JPG

Difference between the gas tanks
http://www.box.net/shared/static/h114z0o5um.jpg

FWD rear end
http://www.box.net/shared/static/rj8dy2i1vs.jpg

FWD rear end removed
http://www.box.net/shared/static/6scu4fuvko.jpg

Gas thank and rear removed
http://www.box.net/shared/static/nl7tg4rhix.jpg

installing quattro rear
http://www.box.net/shared/static/qetmrj712m.jpg

quattro installed

http://www.box.net/shared/static/jlzl9yh8ve.jpg

quattro fuel pump
http://www.box.net/shared/static/07p8gn8tk6.jpg

On the alignment rack, everything went smooth
http://www.box.net/shared/static/5p708hxgzm.jpg

Pictures not that great, took them with my phone.


[hail][hail]you just gave me hope, how much did that set you back???

[Audi Skate Snow]

wow... pretty impressive .... might be the first time done on a b6.

[J-jizzle]

Where did you obtain your parts from?

[J-jizzle]

was quoting the hole first post really necessary dude

[O2VW1.8T]

[hail][hail]you just gave me hope, how much did that set you back???

Depending where you buy. I paid 550 for the whole rear end, 125 for gas tank, 125 for the fuel pump cause the junk yard broke the fitting on it[mad].. I still need the trans and driveshaft and im done. But im going to try something with the stock trans..
Got this stuff from the junk yard

[dougyfresh]

Just wait until he gets to the transmission [:)]



Great job!

[Audi Skate Snow]

Just wait until he gets to the transmission [:)]



Great job!

yea.. money and time.

[eurogruppe]

nice work

[AudiA4_20T]

Just wait until he gets to the transmission [:)]



Great job!

guess who helped with that? lol

[dougyfresh]

guess who helped with that? lol

Exactly. Did the parts make it down to him?

[O2VW1.8T]

Exactly. Did the parts make it down to him?

yes sir, going to try tomorrow and see if it works[:D] Gotta say clint is the man, he's been helping me with the parts

[AudiA4_20T]

yes sir, going to try tomorrow and see if it works[:D] Gotta say clint is the man, he's been helping me with the parts

I like helping people who take risks and try things, thats the only way things get done... Anyway Ill have that extra trans for you tomorrow

[absolutegtr]

Very nice [up]

Glad you ran into no problems with different floor pans

[Issam@INA]

Oh jesus...
Looking good Peter!
quite a challenge you took on!

[NightRoller USP]

I am quite impressed.....you Sir have bigger balls than me!

[Turbo1A4]

nice its coming along good...this is a stick right? not sure i think you said it was your wifes car for now till she gets a new one

[B6driver]

i see x

[O2VW1.8T]

i see x

Must be your IP...

Yes its 5 speed.

[absolutegtr]

Any idea how much the whole rear subframe weighs?

[O2VW1.8T]

Any idea how much the whole rear subframe weighs?

I would say maybe 2 times as heavy as the FWD one. I can lift the FWD one with 1 hand, its probably 80lbs. I would say close to 200 maybe less.

[A4SoftWalker]

Excellent [up][up][up]- glad its coming together for u [wrench]hope all the sensors go into the ECU just fine u might need to do a lot of reprogramming... wonder how that part will work???

[O2VW1.8T]

Excellent [up][up][up]- glad its coming together for u [wrench]hope all the sensors go into the ECU just fine u might need to do a lot of reprogramming... wonder how that part will work???

It all works, the only sensors are the rear speed sensors on the axles. ESP still works.[up]

[Dopefish]

I almost gave up on this possibility, although I had still been saving just in case I came across the parts to give it a shot. THANK YOU for proving it is possible!!!

[AudiA4_20T]

youve started a trend peter, this is the new cool thing to do lol, anyway Im headed to the junkyard in a few for the extra trans

[CTS Turbo]

Looks good Peter [up]

[dougyfresh]

Excellent [up][up][up]- glad its coming together for u [wrench]hope all the sensors go into the ECU just fine u might need to do a lot of reprogramming... wonder how that part will work???

What sensors? What ECU? Its Quattro. Its mechanical.

You just have the rear speed sensors for ESP and ABS as well as the roll control sensors (on the anti-roll bar).

[O2VW1.8T]

Ok well i tried to install the back half of the quattro trans and it wont work. I will need a trans

quatto rear tail section, you can see the splines to the center diff
http://www.box.net/shared/static/76jq8b7x6e.jpg

FWD section
http://www.box.net/shared/static/yc7ada6k6d.jpg

http://www.box.net/shared/static/sg36p4gbgv.jpg

http://www.box.net/shared/static/amcznbe0c0.jpg

[downhillracer]

wow, nice job! to bad the trans conversion didn't work

[Papachristou]

[hail][hail]you just gave me hope, how much did that set you back???



Is it necessary to repost all his pictures?

He said he got the stuff from a junkyard

[walkerkd]

awesome job man! only 1 question looking at the tranny tail section. do you by any chance have a side by side cut sheet to the tail sections of the tranny.. reason im asking is could there only be a spline connection or is that a differnce in the tranny. maybe you can locate the diffence without having to completely replace or swap them. i couldnt find anything but maybe someone has a tranny rebuild manual.

[AudiA4_20T]

awesome job man! only 1 question looking at the tranny tail section. do you by any chance have a side by side cut sheet to the tail sections of the tranny.. reason im asking is could there only be a spline connection or is that a differnce in the tranny. maybe you can locate the diffence without having to completely replace or swap them. i couldnt find anything but maybe someone has a tranny rebuild manual.

I said that to him, but he said theres no way

[dougyfresh]

Ok well i tried to install the back half of the quattro trans and it wont work. I will need a trans

Does Clint have a trans coming to you?

[viziers]

Hmmm this is giving me ideas..... I wonder if one can do this in a B7 A4? Is the body the same in regards to a B7 AWD body to a B7 FWD body Is the Q system the same? Mechanical?

I know this is the B6 A4 forum but i just had to ask. Sorry for the brief thread jack.

Please Pm me to keep it out of the OP's thread or if he wishes to keep it as more info for others like me or him if he wants to swap a B7 A4 as well..... [:D] [wrench]


vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

Hmmm this is giving me ideas..... I wonder if one can do this in a B7 A4? Is the body the same in regards to a B7 AWD body to a B7 FWD body Is the Q system the same? Mechanical?

I know this is the B6 A4 forum but i just had to ask. Sorry for the brief thread jack.

Please Pm me to keep it out of the OP's thread or if he wishes to keep it as more info for others like me or him if he wants to swap a B7 A4 as well..... [:D] [wrench]


vizi

I would say yes if you need help let me know[:)]

[viziers]

I would say yes if you need help let me know[:)]


I sure will. Thank you very much for the offer!

vizi

[BEESIX]

Is it necessary to repost all his pictures?

He said he got the stuff from a junkyard

relax i know how to read maybe you should learn too, i asked HOW MUCH he payed not WHERE he got it from, and big whoop i made a mistake and quoted all the pics SORRY

[Don Supreme]

relax i know how to read maybe you should learn too, i asked HOW MUCH he payed not WHERE he got it from, and big whoop i made a mistake and quoted all the pics SORRY

Big whoop, wanna fight about it?
[:D]

[BEESIX]

Big whoop, wanna fight about it?
[:D]

lmaoo i was thinking about typing that, but not many people would know where that was from and would get serious bout it lol

[shop.dthaus.com]

awesome job man! only 1 question looking at the tranny tail section. do you by any chance have a side by side cut sheet to the tail sections of the tranny.. reason im asking is could there only be a spline connection or is that a differnce in the tranny. maybe you can locate the diffence without having to completely replace or swap them. i couldnt find anything but maybe someone has a tranny rebuild manual.

I can go through the individual parts tonight, most likely the only difference is the main shaft, however I would venture to say that buying one and installing it will cost more than a junkyard tranny.

[viziers]

Update?


vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

I can go through the individual parts tonight, most likely the only difference is the main shaft, however I would venture to say that buying one and installing it will cost more than a junkyard tranny.

correct that shaft new is 800+[down]

[A4SoftWalker]

Is it necessary to repost all his pictures?

He said he got the stuff from a junkyard


X2 I thought the same thing

[Maverick]

someone needs to try to convert the car to RWD.

good work OP... Clint must have been busy... I wonder what his grades are like.

[QwaktastiK]

Slightly off topic, but don't you have a VW GTI 1.8T with a Haldex 4-Motion system?

I'd be interested in doing an AWD swap into an Audi A3 2.0T Manual 6SPD.

you have PM.

[AudiA4_20T]

someone needs to try to convert the car to RWD.

good work OP... Clint must have been busy... I wonder what his grades are like.

lol I didnt get him all that, only the trans case and the driveshaft soon

[B6Lovin]

now here's a practical application for this new "swap" --- put a quattro 5spd drivetrain in a cabriolet...

wonder how different that car is underneath compared to the sedans..

[AudiA4_20T]

now here's a practical application for this new "swap" --- put a quattro 5spd drivetrain in a cabriolet...

wonder how different that car is underneath compared to the sedans..

the 3.0s are quattro, I would imagine its the same deal. I have thought about doing that with the cabrio, shit would be sleeper as hell

[B6Lovin]

the 3.0s are quattro, I would imagine its the same deal. I have thought about doing that with the cabrio, shit would be sleeper as hell

yeah, but it was impossible to get a 1.8L, manual, quattro, cab.... the closest thing is the s4 cab - which was a manual quattro, but i'd rather have a 1.8 than a 4.2

audi really sucks sometimes... we never seem to get the combos people want.
like a3 2.0T's not coming in 6spd AND quattro (same with MKII TT's... those are only 6spds if you get the 3.2)

[sambrody44]

yeah, but it was impossible to get a 1.8L, manual, quattro, cab.... the closest thing is the s4 cab - which was a manual quattro, but i'd rather have a 1.8 than a 4.2

audi really sucks sometimes... we never seem to get the combos people want.
like a3 2.0T's not coming in 6spd AND quattro (same with MKII TT's... those are only 6spds if you get the 3.2)

I agree %100 percent. Stupid AOA doesn't think they would have a market for those combinations in the States. Well guess what AOA, however many members are on these boards would take both those cars in those combinations!

[B6Lovin]

I agree %100 percent. Stupid AOA doesn't think they would have a market for those combinations in the States. Well guess what AOA, however many members are on these boards would take both those cars in those combinations!

yeah. i would have gotten an a3 instead of my b6 if they had the 2.0T, 6spd, quattro.... after i found out that was impossible i asked about a quattro manual 1.8T B6 cab --- also impossible [headbang][headbang][headbang]

so sedan it was! lol

[400HPA4]

I agree %100 percent. Stupid AOA doesn't think they would have a market for those combinations in the States. Well guess what AOA, however many members are on these boards would take both those cars in those combinations!

The members on these boards make up about 0.5% of the population that buys Audi's worldwide

[B6Lovin]

The members on these boards make up about 0.5% of the population that buys Audi's worldwide

i'd like to see the amount of money spent on audis (mods and price of car included, no maintenance) statistic for the members of this forum vs. the rest of the world though..

i bet our .5% would make up a good 15% or so of total $ spent lol (if not more)

[400HPA4]

Normal people do not mod cars, this is why you see rubber floor mats, car covers and clothing on display at the Audi parts counter.

[B6Lovin]

Normal people do not mod cars, this is why you see rubber floor mats, car covers and clothing on display at the Audi parts counter.

that's my point lol. we make up a very small slate of the total owners... probably even smaller than the .5% you guessed -- but im willing to bet that a LOT of the money spent on audi's can be attributed to us.

granted none of the mod money (well... not much of it anyways) will actually go to audi - i think it'd just be a fun statistic to see.

[viziers]

Bump: for any new news....

vizi

[AudiA4_20T]

Bump: for any new news....

vizi

There won't be until he gets the trans/driveshaft

[viziers]

Hey? Would it matter if the rear end came from either a AT or MT?



EDIT: Nope it has to be from a MT if you want manuel!

vizi

[Kemiksiz]

Normal people do not mod cars, this is why you see rubber floor mats, car covers and clothing on display at the Audi parts counter.

So we r freaks Greg? [o_o]

[:D]

[AudiA4_20T]

Hey? Would it matter if the rear end came from either a AT or MT?



EDIT: Nope it has to be from a MT if you want manuel!

vizi

you sure? I'm almost positive it doesn't matter

[viziers]

you sure? I'm almost positive it doesn't matter


Thats what the salvage yard computers are telling them or i could have a complete rear for $250 [=(].

P.S. Unless someone can PLEASE PLEASE prove me wrong so i can but this one!

vizi

[1.8cab]

the 3.0s are quattro, I would imagine its the same deal. I have thought about doing that with the cabrio, shit would be sleeper as hell

Damn, I totally want to do this to my cabrio. It would eliminate two weak links, the CVT and the fwd. Then comes the turbo...[evilsmile]

Anyone know if you can swap out a CVT for a tiptronic? (I assume switching to a manual trans turns into a hack job.)

[Dopefish]

I've done auto to manual swaps on a few Nissan 240sx's and my former FD RX-7. In the case of the 240sx, the driveshaft was the only difference between auto and manual, the IRS was completely the same. In the instance of the FD, the pinion snout was different and needed to be changed in order to use a manual transmission and driveshaft. Typically that is the only difference but on occasion, the actual snout lengths could be different between them as well. I cannot answer these questions for the B6, but at least I hope this info can give you an idea of where to find the answers.

As for swapping an auto car to manual, it isn't very hard outside of collecting the parts. The electrical portion could be complex, I'm not familiar with how Audi designs their wiring and just how modular it is. Nissan used pigtail harnesses which could be swapped without any effort. Mazda had two harnesses for both the interior and engine bay that was specific to the transmission type. Obviously in that case the best approach is to change both harnesses and remove the now unnecessary modules (Trans Control, etc). I didn't opt for that route, instead I removed the unneeded parts and modified my existing harnesses, relocating the signals I needed from the auto trans and shift box to the manual sensors and pedal assemblies.

I'd be interested to help someone do a manual swap in their car, just to see how the Audis are but I don't know of anyone who needs to swap in my area and is willing to shell out for a manual gearbox and parts.

Edit: One thing to note, about auto vs. manual rear differentials is that the gearing is different and thus must be matched up, otherwise damage to the drivetrain will result.

[hakim0409]

nice work !!
but i have a question here!! when you all the part to work together rear end and trans, so you have to chenge your ecu??

[PRVWing]

You should have gone with this awd conversion kit...

http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=38

a lot cheaper... lol

[AudiA4_20T]

nice work !!
but i have a question here!! when you all the part to work together rear end and trans, so you have to chenge your ecu??

whoops, thought you were talking about swapping from auto to manual. No, Torsen is all mechanical, no electrical mods required

[O2VW1.8T]

nice work !!
but i have a question here!! when you all the part to work together rear end and trans, so you have to chenge your ecu??

Im not sure what your saying. But i'll guess, Why would you have to change the ecu. It goes off load the ecu doesn't know its AWD... When i converted my Gti it ran normal is AWD or FWD...


If someone has time can you guys get me the part number for the rear diff. Just want to check something out. thanks[up]

[Elliott]

Big whoop, wanna fight about it?
[:D]

LMAO!

[viziers]

Bump to the first page... [:D]



vizi

[viziers]

bump.....


vizi

[dougyfresh]

Anyone know if you can swap out a CVT for a tiptronic? (I assume switching to a manual trans turns into a hack job.)

If you can find an ECU for your model year on a TIP trans then I don't see it being a problem.

But, I don't think that's possible with a Cab, right?




the 3.0s are quattro, I would imagine its the same deal. I have thought about doing that with the cabrio, shit would be sleeper as hell
Sleeper is Avant [cool][>_<]

[docurley]

See I said it all would fit.

[1.8cab]

If you can find an ECU for your model year on a TIP trans then I don't see it being a problem.

But, I don't think that's possible with a Cab, right?




Sleeper is Avant [cool][>_<]

You're bursting my bubble [=(]
So, I guess there isn't an independent TCU for the CVT and TIP.(?)
I'm wondering if the euro models had a B6 1.8T quattro cabrio.

[viziers]

bump.. [wrench]


vizi

[AudiA4_20T]

bump.. [wrench]


vizi

dude, chill lol... I have to get to the junkyard

[viziers]

dude, chill lol... I have to get to the junkyard


LOL....i know im hangin... Hey i sent 02VW a pm to check the front CV's as the B7 FWD ones will not work with a QT tranny per the dealership.


vizi

[Don Supreme]

LMAO!

Obscure Family Guy reference FTW!

[O2VW1.8T]

Ok freakin problem. The rear diff i have right now is for a 6 speed it has 4.11 gears. I need 3.89... So i order another one from the junk yard and its from a 6 speed again. Freakin can't catch a break... Anyone want to buy 4.11 rear diff's i have 2..

[viziers]

Ok freakin problem. The rear diff i have right now is for a 6 speed it has 4.11 gears. I need 3.89... So i order another one from the junk yard and its from a 6 speed again. Freakin can't catch a break... Anyone want to buy 4.11 rear diff's i have 2..

From what ive researched the 6sp rear IS a 3.89 an AT rear is 4.11 I may be wrong.



vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

From what ive researched the 6sp rear IS a 3.89 an AT rear is 4.11 I may be wrong.



vizi

6 speed is 4.11 and the auto is 4.11 both the same....


Ok How many of you think this will work... If i run the 4.11 rear and a 3.89 2.8 V6 trans.. I calculated the speed for both ratios and came up with

RPM Redline Max MPH at 6500
1st Gear :1 35.99MPH
2nd Gear :1 64.8MPH
3rd Gear :1 96.9MPH
4th Gear :1 133.58MPH
5th Gear :1 159.66MPH
6th Gear :1 0MPH
Final Drive 3.89:1

RPM Redline Max MPH at 6500
1st Gear :1 34.06MPH
2nd Gear :1 61.33MPH
3rd Gear :1 91.71MPH
4th Gear :1 126.43MPH
5th Gear :1 151.11MPH
6th Gear :1 0MPH
Final Drive 4.11:1


So how much difference can the quattro handle between front and rear, at 90mph its 5mph difference from front and rear

[viziers]

Hmm im not sure on that one. The rear i just picked up is 3.89. But im gonna look into it more on Monday to make sure now.... Check you front CV's i think you might have another slight headache with them.



vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

Hmm im not sure on that one. The rear i just picked up is 3.89. But im gonna look into it more on Monday to make sure now.... Check you front CV's i think you might have another slight headache with them.



vizi

For the front CV, im just going to swap the flanges and be done with it[:)].. If you have the 3.89 trade me LOL\

diff code its on the bottem of the diff
3.89 is ETS and EXZ
4.11 is ETQ
3.10 is GDF

[viziers]

lol.... If i had an extra id toss it your way for sure..it was a biotch just to find the one i found. I think the lenghts are different on flanges, i dont know the specifics.

Call east coast auto source they have a carrier that is a 3.89 i know because i was going to buy just the carrier and and piece it together from other sources but now dont need it.


http://www.ecoastauto.com/


vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

lol.... If i had an extra id toss it your way for sure..it was a biotch just to find the one i found. I think the lenghts are different on flanges, i dont know the specifics.

Call east coast auto source they have a carrier that is a 3.89 i know because i was going to buy just the carrier and and piece it together from other sources but now dont need it.


http://www.ecoastauto.com/


vizi
The lenghts should be the same, its just the flange. When you called what year did you tell them and what price were they asking.

[viziers]

i told then i needed the rear from an 06 a4 2.0 6sp awd. The dealership was who told me the CV's were different. i paid $600 delivered all but the calipers hey included the shocks struts dont need them though. 125 for the drive shaft and 125 for the tank.


vizi

[AudiA4_20T]

Peter u need me to grab that Passat diff?

[B6Lovin]

wait... so the 6speed is 4.11 FDR...

and the 2.8 5speed is a 3.89 FDR...

what is the normal ol' 1.8 5speed final drive?

[O2VW1.8T]

wait... so the 6speed is 4.11 FDR...

and the 2.8 5speed is a 3.89 FDR...

what is the normal ol' 1.8 5speed final drive?

3.89 for normal 5 speeds

[47Ronin]

Modding is not that big in AMerica or Europe ... but its HUGE in asia ....

If any of you have been to hong kong you can tell me - i see on a DAILY BASIS - nissan quests and minivans running 15'' BBS rims ... lol

every audi driven even by old dudes and house wives have rims on them, lips, and what not

and there are a few more optiosn availalbe in asia than in US but i think its b/c these cars are made by their affiliates here

[AudiA4_20T]

Pete, I'm going today, Ill keep u posted

[B6Lovin]

3.89 for normal 5 speeds

how do the 1.8T and 2.8 transmissions end up with the same final drive ratio (if my understanding of that concept is correct - which it may not be) if the 2.8 has taller gears?

[O2VW1.8T]

how do the 1.8T and 2.8 transmissions end up with the same final drive ratio (if my understanding of that concept is correct - which it may not be) if the 2.8 has taller gears?

The difference is the gear ratios not the final drive..

[Papachristou]

Add a N to coverted in your sig bro [;)] unless this was a covert op!

[O2VW1.8T]

Add a N to coverted in your sig bro [;)] unless this was a covert op!

damn didn't even notice it LOL. [cool]

[diagnosticator]

Very nice [up]

Glad you ran into no problems with different floor pans


Me too! Maybe the floor pan difference is only on the Avant?

[Papachristou]

damn didn't even notice it LOL. [cool]
No problem. If u can convert a car to awd, I figure u can spell too! Easy typo

[viziers]

Hey 02vw1.8t well have to get together for pics of both our cars after they are converted..... Its gonna take me some time to get the parts together...


vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

Hey 02vw1.8t well have to get together for pics of both our cars after they are converted..... Its gonna take me some time to get the parts together...


vizi

Im down for that. Yeah mine is going kinda slow also. We are closing on our house this week and have a bunch of stuff to do... Still need to buy exhaust or if i can find a stock quattro exhaust that would be awsome.

[Papachristou]

I have stock exhaust.. Pm me an offer

[B6Lovin]

The difference is the gear ratios not the final drive..

yeah - i looked some stuff up and i get it now. i was way out in left field thinking of something else lol.

transmissions/differentials are one thing i still know very very little about other than how they come in/out of a car... im learning (slowly) but getting there.

[docurley]

yeah, but it was impossible to get a 1.8L, manual, quattro, cab.... the closest thing is the s4 cab - which was a manual quattro, but i'd rather have a 1.8 than a 4.2

audi really sucks sometimes... we never seem to get the combos people want.
like a3 2.0T's not coming in 6spd AND quattro (same with MKII TT's... those are only 6spds if you get the 3.2)

You can get 20v Quattro Cab parts.




Audi A4 Convertible Quattro Rear Subframe


This was removed from a Audi 1.8 20V Turbo in perfect working order.


If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.


Collection is welcome



Thank you for reading










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[AudiA4_20T]

yo pete, I went today, got everything out except one of the axles... meanwhile it was warmer then usual here and all the snow melted and owned me, and I was soaked, so I didnt get to finish it. Its coming tho

[O2VW1.8T]

yo pete, I went today, got everything out except one of the axles... meanwhile it was warmer then usual here and all the snow melted and owned me, and I was soaked, so I didnt get to finish it. Its coming tho

Thanks bro you are the man, so your getting the diff also.[cool]

[Dopefish]

You'll have to match your front and rear final drive gears. That difference will wreck havoc on your tires, axles and gears, not to mention the ESP will be freaking out the entire time.

[diagnosticator]

You can get 20v Quattro Cab parts.



Sure, almost anything can be had, but at what cost? Unfortunately, shipping from Europe is a deal killer for most projects.

[diagnosticator]

You'll have to match your front and rear final drive gears. That difference will wreck havoc on your tires, axles and gears, not to mention the ESP will be freaking out the entire time.

Different axle ratios won't work at all, something would break almost immediately if forced.

[viziers]

Yea all that work for somthing to get broke, id be pissed. Thats why im gonna tripple check everything as you did 02VW1.8T


vizi

[AudiA4_20T]

Thanks bro you are the man, so your getting the diff also.[cool]

Yea I can but give me time, because its open from 8-4 but I usually have class right around that time

[O2VW1.8T]

Its cool, I have plenty of time.
Yea I can but give me time, because its open from 8-4 but I usually have class right around that time

[viziers]

Hey 02VW1.8T, Were you able to use the original fuel tank straps or did you have to get the QT fuel tank straps?

vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

Hey 02VW1.8T, Were you able to use the original fuel tank straps or did you have to get the QT fuel tank straps?

vizi

The quattro tank should come with the straps, well mine did. The FWD is different

[viziers]

Thank you...

vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

Thank you...

vizi
One of the holes is seam sealed when you use the quattro tank straps. Just scrap it off and put the bolt in. The threads are already there.

[B6JoeS4]

BEESIX, is it necessary to repost all of his pictures?

[BEESIX]

BEESIX, is it necessary to repost all of his pictures?

LMAO cmonn man you too now [>_<]

[2001S4NY]

i have a B6 6 Speed Transmission for sale if you like

[Dopefish]

i have a B6 6 Speed Transmission for sale if you like

Mileage, Pricing, ...included parts?


Different axle ratios won't work at all, something would break almost immediately if forced.

That's what I was saying... http://www.genmay.com/images/smilies/eek13.gif

[Papachristou]

BEESIX, is it necessary to repost all of his pictures?

thank you!!!!! if you want to quote someone, delete the effing pictures!

[diagnosticator]

That difference will wreck havoc on your tires, axles and gears, not to mention the ESP will be freaking out the entire time.


That's what I was saying... http://www.genmay.com/images/smilies/eek13.gif

Yes, I agree. What wanted to point out is that something would break before any damage to the tires or malfunction of the ESP would become active issues.

[audi1]

I will be doing this mod in a couple weeks. My son crashed my 02 qt and while looking for parts i found a 03 cvt theft recovery on ebay that i won for $2000. missing the transmission and other parts that i have on my car but the body is clean.
i will be posting some pics.

[viziers]

Hey 02VW1.8T,

Hows it going? Did you get the correct Rear gear and the tranny yet?


vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

Hey 02VW1.8T,

Hows it going? Did you get the correct Rear gear and the tranny yet?


vizi

Got the right rear diff, just waiting on the trans and driveshaft and she will be done. Once i get everything i will take pics...[:)]

[AudiA4_20T]

got the trans, should be getting the driveshaft today, maybe tuesday

[Carlitos]

sick project!!!

I'm seriously considering doing this FWD to AWD conversion in my car... just want to see how it works out.

[02silverb6]

I am also patiently waiting to see how this turns out because I am very serious about this project as well. Im tired of having FWD 3.0 TIP[=(]

[Carlitos]

any update?

[phantomRS4]

thats sick nice work

[viziers]

Hey man my new rear end should be here Monday or Tuesday....[:D]


vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

Well i made it RWD for now, i need to find front axles that will work..

It will i need different front axles lol. Instead i made it RWD[:D]


video

http://www.box.net/shared/static/ngb56814z9.3gp


1 pic lol was tooo tired and had alot of work. Took about 3 hours, had to fab up custom center driveshaft mounts( what a pain). Removed the front axles used the outer axle hubs, welded center diff like jaredLV posted before. It works spins the rear tires. Will get videos later on the week of it in action


Yeah i will keep it for a while. Im running a 4.11 rear diff with a 3.89 trans LOL.. Shouldn't matter as the front axles are not connected. Well i think[confused]

http://www.box.net/shared/static/9hllnif1o4.jpg

2004 FWD trans vs 1995 quattro trans LOL, gotta give it up for my friend at work without him i'd give up

[viziers]

Hey 02VW1.8T how come you had to weld the center diff thought it bolted up..

Oh i though you knew about the front CV's i think the cups on the tranny are different which i think can be swapped from the FWD tranny to the AWD tranny or i think the shaft length are different hopefully i can get the drive shafts with the tranny when i get mine... The hardest part for me is going to be putting it all together seeing im still recovering from a broken neck and suppose to only lift up to a max of 40lbs, yea thats really gonna work out well im deff not gonna push it because i still like the idea of being able to walk and stuff...lol



vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

Hey 02VW1.8T how come you had to weld the center diff thought it bolted up..

Oh i though you knew about the front CV's i think the cups on the tranny are different which i think can be swapped from the FWD tranny to the AWD tranny or i think the shaft length are different hopefully i can get the drive shafts with the tranny when i get mine... The hardest part for me is going to be putting it all together seeing im still recovering from a broken neck and suppose to only lift up to a max of 40lbs, yea thats really gonna work out well im deff not gonna push it because i still like the idea of being able to walk and stuff...lol



vizi

You have to weld the center diff otherwise it will send all the power to the front but i dont have any front cv axles lol... The axle cups on the FWD B6 trans are bigger and the splines are fatter then the 1995 quattro trans i got... If i had a B5 trans it would work. Damn broken neck get better dude, yeah i'd hold off til you get better.[up]

[viziers]

You have to weld the center diff otherwise it will send all the power to the front but i dont have any front cv axles lol... The axle cups on the FWD B6 trans are bigger and the splines are fatter then the 1995 quattro trans i got... If i had a B5 trans it would work. Damn broken neck get better dude, yeah i'd hold off til you get better.[up]


Ahhh i see... I think i understand you had to weld the diff because you dont have front cv's installed yet to make the awd but will unweld it once you have the fronts installed correct??? I thought id have to weld it either way meaning this conversion wouldn't be true bolt up...


vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

Ahhh i see... I think i understand you had to weld the diff because you dont have front cv's installed yet to make the awd but will unweld it once you have the fronts installed correct??? I thought id have to weld it either way meaning this conversion wouldn't be true bolt up...


vizi

No I have 2 center diff's thats why i welded one. Once i get the front axles i will put the regular center diff that is not welded on and it will be AWD[up]

[viziers]

Gotcha!!! [up]

[XdelaforceX]

*off topic*

viz, who is the chick in your av? ive seen other pics from that same "set" if you will. was wondering if you had a name


X-eric-X

[viziers]

*off topic*

viz, who is the chick in your av? ive seen other pics from that same "set" if you will. was wondering if you had a name

X-eric-X

Unfortunately no i don't sorry.


vizi

[Mk4 30R]

pete youre nuts... videos of RWD donuts NOW.

-brett.

[AudiA4_20T]

pete youre nuts... videos of RWD donuts NOW.

-brett.

thats what I said haha

[O2VW1.8T]

Well me and my friend went to a local auto-x it was raining and wanted to test the RWD. We both drove my car since his is broken.. Overall not bad, only oversteered in 2nd gear other it was just spinning one freakin wheel...

videos suck oh well lol

http://www.box.net/shared/static/ivsk3ci9s1.jpg

http://www.box.net/shared/static/ujtvtlbonz.wmv

[audi1]

Hey O2VW1.8T. i am trying to do this swap but i'am running into problems. my original quattro trany have a small cracked from the accident, the fwd car i bought did not come with a trany so i bought another quattro trany which the owner said the disk are burnt but the housing is good ( no cracks) do you have any idea how to take out the pump and disk/gears?


This is one below is the cracked transmission, but the better

http://i40.tinypic.com/r2rl9t.jpg

This one below is the bad transmission, but does not have a cracked housing

http://i43.tinypic.com/33ncnqq.jpg

This one below is the piece/part that I want to pull out of the tranmissions

http://i39.tinypic.com/33w2uxy.jpg

[AudiA4_20T]

those things are so complicating

[dirtybrd]

Autos...yuck to work on.

[audi1]

For you guys that don't know it is very easy. after removing the pump screws and taking off the oil pan you need to take out 4 rubber hose and pull hard on the pump.....

now trany is ready back to finish this cvt to awd swap. [drive]

http://i43.tinypic.com/21o7vk0.jpg





http://i43.tinypic.com/vzd9gn.jpg

[O2VW1.8T]

nice dude, glad you figured it out. I also dont like working on autos

[Elberoth]

How did you get around fabricating driveshaft center mount ?

I have researched this project some 2+ years ago, but the missing driveshaft center mount on FWD body, was a deal breaker for me.

[viziers]

How did you get around fabricating driveshaft center mount ?

I have researched this project some 2+ years ago, but the missing driveshaft center mount on FWD body, was a deal breaker for me.

From what i think 02VW1.8T told me is that the holes ARE there but under the undercoating.... I may have misunderstood him but im sure he will chime in to agree or correct me...

vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

How did you get around fabricating driveshaft center mount ?

I have researched this project some 2+ years ago, but the missing driveshaft center mount on FWD body, was a deal breaker for me.

I need to take some pictures, But i thought there was holes for the driveshaft but there isn't. Maybe tomorrow i'll take pics and explain what i did.

[XdelaforceX]

id really like to see how your AWD GTi is. that could be an interesting project for me....
X-eric-X

[AudiA4_20T]

id really like to see how your AWD GTi is. that could be an interesting project for me....
X-eric-X

its parted out, but the videos will live on ha

[viziers]

Hey 02VW... Hows the pictures comming of the work around ya did on the drive shaft bracket??


vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

Hey 02VW... Hows the pictures comming of the work around ya did on the drive shaft bracket??


vizi

I'll take some pics tomorrow. But its fairly easy

[viziers]

The only thing i can think of you might of had to do is weld 2 tabs one on each side like the bently manuel shows in order for the bracket to bolt properly up in place.. Our cars prob don't have the tabs.


P.S. Its my educated guess....lol

vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

Ok heres what i did. We have 2 tabs but they are in the wrong place. So i drilled out the spot welds and cut the 2 brackets and put them where the driveshaft bolts up. I didn't even weld the 2 brackets. Just 2 bolts each to hold it. Been driving like this for 2000 miles maybe a little less and zero problems. You do have to beat the bracket to mold it to the new shape. But overall its not bad.

See where i circled in red thats where the bracket was and i moved it.
http://www.box.net/shared/static/gdhzho6ial.jpg

http://www.box.net/shared/static/84pr8g1gf2.jpg

http://www.box.net/shared/static/htgtd9gzv6.jpg

http://www.box.net/shared/static/ubzhc9j0yh.jpg

[diagnosticator]

That would be cause enough for a different PN on the pan.

[O2VW1.8T]

That would be cause enough for a different PN on the pan.

Yeah thats the only different thing i've found. Everything else is pretty much straight bolt in.

[viziers]

Hey 02VW1.8T any update on this conversion???

Im just waiting for the tank pump parts to get here and mines underway... I picked up a 06 tranny with only 19k!!!! and once i have the rear end,fuel tank and exhaust in then it goes to the shop for new forged rods, bearings, rings, clutch and the final Qt tranny put in and im good to go then for the other stages of my project...


vizi


vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

Well ordered some axles from raxles.com, marty is a great guy and i recommend him for any axle service.. I told him i wanted 100mm at the trans and 2004 for the axle hub and it made me some axles

http://www.box.net/shared/static/en11butn4b.jpg

So going to put them in friday or so and i will be done with the AWD swap

[viziers]

Ahhh.. Hmm the axels i have/need are the top ones so im hoping im good as far as the axels go.

Ill let ya know for sure..



vizi

[B6driver]

are you going to come out with an official write up for the conversion? or a cliffnotes?

[viziers]

I imagine he will once he gets it completed or i may to since technically they are the some undercarrige but different bodies ex: B6 & B7.

Im still waiting for a few parts so im sure his would be out long before mine...


vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

Well its finally AWD, feels good. The stupid stock clutch sucks. I tried to launch it at 6k and it didn't go anywhere[down][:D]

[lookaught]

Nice, congrats! Feels good to finish a long project!

[ApexIt]

COngrats on finishing the project! Out of curiosity, how much did all this cost you? I am contemplating doing this in the future myslef. I havent read through all the posts yet, did you have a CVT? And did you stay with the CVT for the entire swap?

[AudiA4_20T]

COngrats on finishing the project! Out of curiosity, how much did all this cost you? I am contemplating doing this in the future myslef. I havent read through all the posts yet, did you have a CVT? And did you stay with the CVT for the entire swap?

he had a manual FWD 5 speed and went quattro. CVT is not an AWD transmission, no driveshaft, you would either need a tip AWD trans or 5 speed awd trans

I just happen to have a 5 speed AWD trans btw too [;)] hah

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Well its finally AWD, feels good. The stupid stock clutch sucks. I tried to launch it at 6k and it didn't go anywhere[down][:D]

Just gave you some rep, you know your shit and need more than one bar!

[A4 TSCHUSS]

he had a manual FWD 5 speed and went quattro. CVT is not an AWD transmission, no driveshaft, you would either need a tip AWD trans or 5 speed awd trans

I just happen to have a 5 speed AWD trans btw too [;)] hah

Trade ya mine with messed up 3rd gear syncro for yours [:D]

[ApexIt]

he had a manual FWD 5 speed and went quattro. CVT is not an AWD transmission, no driveshaft, you would either need a tip AWD trans or 5 speed awd trans

I just happen to have a 5 speed AWD trans btw too [;)] hah

haha Id be all over it right now if I had the funds to do the swap right now

[O2VW1.8T]

COngrats on finishing the project! Out of curiosity, how much did all this cost you? I am contemplating doing this in the future myslef. I havent read through all the posts yet, did you have a CVT? And did you stay with the CVT for the entire swap?

cost

- Whole quattro rear and gas tank = 700
- quattro trans can range from 400-2000 all depends were you get it
- center driveshaft - 150
- front axles- 400 got new raxle axle's
-exhaust 700 made my own

[ApexIt]

cost

- Whole quattro rear and gas tank = 700
- quattro trans can range from 400-2000 all depends were you get it
- center driveshaft - 150
- front axles- 400 got new raxle axle's
-exhaust 700 made my own

Thanks, I appreciate it.

[skeeball]

- quattro trans can range from 400-2000 all depends were you get it

@numer24 -

FYI, a trans from Clint would be closer the lower end of that range. And he's local.

[AudiA4_20T]

@numer24 -

FYI, a trans from Clint would be closer the lower end of that range. And he's local.

he knows, I think its $$ thats holding him up

[dirtybrd]

I'd go 6spd since you're doing it.

[AudiA4_20T]

I'd go 6spd since you're doing it.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[viziers]

Lol... Ill have a 6spd FWD tranny for sale pretty soon......[:D][up]


vizi

[dirtybrd]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

~$1000-1200

[viziers]

[QUOTE=dirtybrd;3625623]~$1000-1200[/QUOT


Thats about right i think... I paid a little over a G and mines got 19k on it..


vizi

[Teej2008]

FANTASTIC JOB!!! FANTASTIC color choice. I'm not a big fan of the headlight film but with your conversion, it looks like it was supposed to have been there the entire time [up]

[ConroeS4]

WhAt about the crankshaft? Did you have to do anything to it?

[killerb7]

write up!!!
super interested in doing this.

[AudiA4_20T]

WhAt about the crankshaft? Did you have to do anything to it?

that only matters when going tip to manual

[ConroeS4]

For going from tip to manual, will the manual crankshaft drop right in and fit where the tip crank once was without changing anyother parts of the engine?

[diagnosticator]

For going from tip to manual, will the manual crankshaft drop right in and fit where the tip crank once was without changing anyother parts of the engine?


Yes.

[fitch303]

I'm sorry. why didn't you just get an awd equipped a4?

[ConroeS4]

Because I was an uneducated ignorant dumbass, who chose to buy Audi's worse transmission ever made not knowing.

[B6Lovin]

^atleast you're honest. we have reformed you though, and now you get a sweet project to work on [wrench]

[AudiA4_20T]

Because I was an uneducated ignorant dumbass, who chose to buy Audi's worse transmission ever made not knowing.

CVT actually has the same crank as a manual so you dont have to touch the bottom end

[ConroeS4]

Wait so the manual tranny would be a direct bolt up without touching anything on the engine

[Issam@INA]

Peter which subframe did you use?

[AudiA4_20T]

Peter which subframe did you use?

stock front, quattro rear

[O2VW1.8T]

stock front, quattro rear

[up]


For those that care the car still runs, daily drive it. Just drove to atlanta had no problems... Gas gauge still doesn't work, but i will figure something out.

[viziers]

[up]


For those that care the car still runs, daily drive it. Just drove to atlanta had no problems... Gas gauge still doesn't work, but i will figure something out.

Your gas gauge doesnt work either huh.. Im working on it.. One way or another it WILL work again correctly....


vizi

[slingshot]

Dude is that Firestone?
How the fuck did you get away with that at work? We have to pay the shop to install our own lightbulbs...

[viziers]

Hey 02VW1.8T take a look at this it may help out fuel gauge issue!!!!


http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?t=2680091&highlight=fuel+gauge

vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

Dude is that Firestone?
How the fuck did you get away with that at work? We have to pay the shop to install our own lightbulbs...

I work at toyota[;)]


Hey 02VW1.8T take a look at this it may help out fuel gauge issue!!!!


http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?t=2680091&highlight=fuel+gauge

vizi

might have to play with that to see what happens

[viziers]

I work at toyota[;)]



might have to play with that to see what happens

I pm'ed ya!!!!

[GermanA4]

So if I read this correctly... I can take a FWD CVT A4 and make it into a 6spd manual with AWD... If so can you recommend a shop in the So Cal area that can do this project???

[Sales@RAI]

So if I read this correctly... I can take a FWD CVT A4 and make it into a 6spd manual with AWD... If so can you recommend a shop in the So Cal area that can do this project???

That would be a BIG project but yes its possible. If you're doing it at a shop I would give yourself a ~$5000 budget

[Pufftrees]

I would just say F the awd and go for frontrak manual (I may be incorrect in thinking that CVT and Frontrak are different, someone please correct me if I am). Save the rest of the money for a build [up]

[Flexcj5]

Great work man. Glad its holding up for you.

I've been reading up on swaps since my CVT is about shot. Trying to figure out what would be most cost effective behind the 3.0. A manual swap, and stay FWD or an Automatic and go Quattro. Either way the CVT has to go.