Will you be getting the B8 S4?

[SebringSilver]

I'm just curious as to whether any of the B6 or B7 S4 owners here are contemplating such a move. Supercharged 6-cylinder compared to our N.A. V8...it's not easy to compare, not least because none of us have test driven the car yet. But given what we do know, in that the engine output is going to be 330 bhp or thereabouts, and the basic form factor (both exterior and interior) of the B8 A4 platform, is there any likelihood that existing V8 S4 owners would make this switch? Or is Audi aiming for an altogether different target buyer?

I think I'd be hard pressed to want to give up the V8 in my current S4.

Thoughts, anyone?

[ieatfishburitos]

Not even a thought - NO. If I had the money I'd buy a used RS4 before the new v6 S4. With the upcoming supercharger for our cars it really makes the decision easier. Just my opinion.

[S4DTM]

NOPE! I'll keep my V8, supercharge it in a few years, and have a faster and better looking car IMHO...plus, it looks too much like a damn bimmer! (although I would take the headlights[:D])

[s4_fishingbean]

No. I agree with buritos. on the other hand...ill wait for the new rs4

[SebringSilver]

Any of you guys think the B8 has a better interior than the B7? Is that a factor at all?

[Cargo8]

Well you must love the C63 too! which makes it harder to go down to SCv6.
Interior is definitely a plus on the new platform, but for some time the B7 will still remain acceptable as an interior of a small platform car

[downhillracer]

i have a b6 a4...in my opinion i don't like the new body style...to many lines! audis have always had a nice simple design and now they look just like the new bmw's and mercedes with all those ugly over designed lines! but as far as the engine goes i do like the 3.0 supercharged more than the v8. more power stock, more tuning potential, and way better fuel economy! In the end though... i would take a b6 s4 or b7 s4 just because they look way better!

[...Mark...]

Buy one new??? NFW...

Used two or three years down the line... Possibly...

[sakimano]

Not even a thought - NO. If I had the money I'd buy a used RS4 before the new v6 S4. With the upcoming supercharger for our cars it really makes the decision easier. Just my opinion.

same here. 2008 RS4 as an upgrade...not the new S4

the new S4 as a great car, but it has been designed to be a 3rd A4 rather than a distinct S model. Not really exciting me yet. Excellent, but boring. Not distinct...not special...just excellent engineering.

That being said, I plan on keeping my nearly new B7 for the next few years. The next Audi I buy will be our hauler...either a B8 A4 wagon (diesel) or a Q5 diesel.

[sakimano]

No. I agree with buritos. on the other hand...ill wait for the new rs4

won't be a new RS4 unfortunately. The battle with C63 and new M3 will be up to the RS5 coupe. That's from Audi chiefs. RS5, RS6 and maybe TT-RS...no RS4.

[sakimano]

Any of you guys think the B8 has a better interior than the B7? Is that a factor at all?

Having been in a B8 A4, I can't say I liked it any better. The S4 may be different.

Of course when I was sitting in the S5 6 months ago....that KILLED my B7 S4.

[SebringSilver]

Well you must love the C63 too! which makes it harder to go down to SCv6.
Interior is definitely a plus on the new platform, but for some time the B7 will still remain acceptable as an interior of a small platform car

The B7's interior is better than just "acceptable", if you ask me. In terms of fit and finish, it's excellent. If the rear legroom was a bit more generous, I'd have no complaints.

[SebringSilver]

i have a b6 a4...in my opinion i don't like the new body style...to many lines! audis have always had a nice simple design and now they look just like the new bmw's and mercedes with all those ugly over designed lines! but as far as the engine goes i do like the 3.0 supercharged more than the v8. more power stock, more tuning potential, and way better fuel economy! In the end though... i would take a b6 s4 or b7 s4 just because they look way better!

Yeah, I agree with you. The new B8 exterior...I don't know what it is...there's just something about it that doesn't seem right. I just love the proportions of the B6/B7 (the B7s more, of course, haha).

[drexplode]

used RS4 FTW. It will be a timely classic just like the C5-RS6.

[SoCalS4Avant]

No B8S4/RS4 Avant - then no me.

Keeping my B6.

[JOS4AUDI]

No way never crossed my mind i looooooooovvvvvvvvve my v8.b7 rs4 all the way before b8 s4.

[TonyD]

I'm really liking the B8s. This power plant seems really interesting and should be fun to tune!

[S4DTM]

won't be a new RS4 unfortunately. The battle with C63 and new M3 will be up to the RS5 coupe. That's from Audi chiefs. RS5, RS6 and maybe TT-RS...no RS4.

There will be, but not till about 2011 or so. The RS5 will come first, which should compete strongly with the bimmers and benzes, we'll see (*fingers crossed*). The TT-RS will only be out for like a year since they're discontinuing the line and going to the R3...should get interesting[o_o]

[poopypants]

No supercharged V8, or less the V6, in the future for me, thank you. Not declining the notion of boosting my V8 though. Just a teaser for what's to come. ;)

[mbgt72]

Any of you guys think the B8 has a better interior than the B7? Is that a factor at all?

I really don't like the new interiors at all. I think they look great in the A8 and pretty good in the A6, but they just look and feel cramped in the A4. I'd take the interior in my B7 any day of the week of it!

Also feel that I'd have a hard time trading in my car for a new S4, prob go Rs4 or new M3 before I go new S4.

[SebringSilver]

I just really hope Audi will continue its tradition of having a really potent compact sports sedan. In the absence (for how long, no one seems to know for sure) of the RS4, it's down to the S4 to carry the flag for a while. The S5 is a coupe, so it doesn't qualify. The S6 and S8 are in a whole other category. And the RS6 is going to be priced in the stratosphere, I think.

There's a lot riding on the success of the S4, both in the showroom and out in the wild.

[SebringSilver]

I really don't like the new interiors at all. I think they look great in the A8 and pretty good in the A6, but they just look and feel cramped in the A4. I'd take the interior in my B7 any day of the week of it!

Also feel that I'd have a hard time trading in my car for a new S4, prob go Rs4 or new M3 before I go new S4.

I'm pretty happy with my S4's interior too...with the possible exception of the centre armrest which impedes the deployment of the handbrake. Otherwise, it's a nice place to be.

[sakimano]

There will be, but not till about 2011 or so. The RS5 will come first, which should compete strongly with the bimmers and benzes, we'll see (*fingers crossed*). The TT-RS will only be out for like a year since they're discontinuing the line and going to the R3...should get interesting[o_o]

who said there will be an RS4 in 2011?

Audi has said there won't be...only internet speculators and wishful thinkers saying there will. I like the idea.

[iconoclast]

I'm just curious as to whether any of the B6 or B7 S4 owners here are contemplating such a move.


b7 rs4... if not close second is b8 s5.

[SebringSilver]

I kinda wish Audi would just go ballistic and make an RS version of the Q7 or something. LOL

I'm usually against the idea of an SUV, but if someone would put out an absolutely mad SUV, I'd be tempted!

[iconoclast]

bring the s3 here in 6spd and id be in it the next day.

[drexplode]

bring the s3 here in 6spd and id be in it the next day.

+1 thats exactly what my letter said to AoA

[iconoclast]

i thought i was crazy because i wanted to write a letter as well... maybe i will now. if enough ppl do, it may be a possibility. i was hoping that with the 135 here, it may inspire AOA to bring it over.

[JMG]

It's a possibility. I think the B8 platform looks really sharp. That being said the S4 doesn't look agressive enough over the A4. So maybe a used RS4 or RS5 for me next time unless something better comes along.

[sakimano]

I kinda wish Audi would just go ballistic and make an RS version of the Q7 or something. LOL

I'm usually against the idea of an SUV, but if someone would put out an absolutely mad SUV, I'd be tempted!

isn't the ML63 pretty frigging mad? It's your C63 engine with way more power (503/460).

just about as quick to 60mph too!

I liked the G55...now THAT was a sleeper. Big square and tough...but insane fast.

[DuncanC]

Not a chance. The idea of a supercharged V6 does nothing for me. I'll either be going the VF route if that ends up looking like a practical option for a daily driven Canadian car. If not, RS4 is up next.

[SebringSilver]

isn't the ML63 pretty frigging mad? It's your C63 engine with way more power (503/460).

just about as quick to 60mph too!

I liked the G55...now THAT was a sleeper. Big square and tough...but insane fast.

Yeah, it's mad alright, but the Q7 form factor is far roomier on the inside. But damn, you're right, now you got me thinking!

[Beelzeebub]

nope. back seat on the b7 is actually more passenger-friendly. I couldn't believe how tall the b8 center floor "hump" back there was when I compared it to a b7 at a dealership. so it effectively makes the b8 a 4-passenger vehicle instead of the 5 its supposed to be unless the 3rd passenger seated in the middle has no legs.

[ieatfishburitos]

nope. back seat on the b7 is actually more passenger-friendly. I couldn't believe how tall the b8 center floor "hump" back there was when I compared it to a b7 at a dealership. so it effectively makes the b8 a 4-passenger vehicle instead of the 5 its supposed to be unless the 3rd passenger seated in the middle has no legs.

Curious, do you really cram 5 people in your S4? If a second person gets in my car they are considered lucky.

[SebringSilver]

Curious, do you really cram 5 people in your S4? If a second person gets in my car they are considered lucky.

I crammed 5 people (myself included) into my S4 for a fairly long trip once. It's strange...the car almost feels better being driven with a lot of passengers on board. [confused]

[sakimano]

I crammed 5 people (myself included) into my S4 for a fairly long trip once. It's strange...the car almost feels better being driven with a lot of passengers on board. [confused]


totally...heavy feels awesome

that's why we drive German cars in the first place...they outweigh Japanese and American rivals by about 3 normal sized humans.

[Beelzeebub]

Curious, do you really cram 5 people in your S4? If a second person gets in my car they are considered lucky.

yep. the wife+3 kids (albeit, small kids)

[Beelzeebub]

The s4 is definitely no stretch limo but then again, a limo doesnt have a 340 hp v8 and Quattro. [:D]

[joeycuccaro]

I think i would pick up a B7 RS4 first, i wouldnt buy the B8 new.

[joeycuccaro]

Curious, do you really cram 5 people in your S4? If a second person gets in my car they are considered lucky.

Hahah same here. Its just usually myself and my gf or a buddy. The rear seats are mint [:D]

[Beelzeebub]

Hahah same here. Its just usually myself and my gf or a buddy. The rear seats are mint [:D]

ah...the joys of being a single male. apparently, I no longer know what that feels like. [:D]

[SebringSilver]

totally...heavy feels awesome

that's why we drive German cars in the first place...they outweigh Japanese and American rivals by about 3 normal sized humans.

LOL

Dang it, I went and sat inside an A4 S-Line today and the extra legroom in the back is not just fantasy...it's real. Oh why couldn't they have just stuck with a V8?? The price of gasoline has come down!

[Vuel Egham]

Everyone realizes that a lightly modded B8 S4 is going to spank your V8 B7s, right?

Did anyone in a V8 come from a modded B5 S4? FI for the win—always.

[40valve]

^ oh what a surprise ... B5'er

[two2]

Everyone realizes that a lightly modded B8 S4 is going to spank your V8 B7s, right?

Did anyone in a V8 come from a modded B5 S4? FI for the win—always.

and your point is? if you read the WHOLE thread and didn't run into conclusion you'll realize no one ever said the b7 was going to spank a b8.

did you also realize the b7 can be supercharged too and become a supercharged V8?

who will spank who now?
and if that isn't enough, we'll throw a supercharged RS4 at it.

endless game huh?

[Vuel Egham]

I did read the entire thread—it is only a page and a half. :)

The point is—for very little money—you can have a much faster car.

Supercharging your V8 must be insanely expensive, and isn't comparable to a $600 software upgrade.

Though I have been looking at the RS4, and just examined a nice local one two days ago, beautiful cars.

Just surprised to hear so many B5/B6'ers so vehemently opposed to a supercharged V6, especially once they've never seen in person, that has a truly modern engine that is being well-received.

I went from a stage 2 B5 to an NA R32, and have been disappointed by having an NA motor. At 4,500 feet in Utah, NA motors are sucked dry of their power.

[Beelzeebub]

Nope. I will get an RS4 or maybe if Im lucky, an RS6.

[B6bomber]

Am I the only one who likes the new B8 interior? I sat in one with the prestige and s-line package and it was just amazing. I do like the exterior styling but a 50k A4 when it comes down to it is just not in my budget.

[V8S4Fun]

Meh...I am looking towards the S5, orrrr RS5??

[likewater]

The idea of a more tunable platform with the B8 S4 is appealing to me but I just can't get into the look of the B8 A4. I'm hoping the S will look better in person but based on what I've seen so far I don't see it happening. Aside from that, I love the V8 platform so my next Audi will be a B7 RS4.

[sakimano]

I'm just curious as to whether any of the B6 or B7 S4 owners here are contemplating such a move. Supercharged 6-cylinder compared to our N.A. V8...it's not easy to compare, not least because none of us have test driven the car yet. But given what we do know, in that the engine output is going to be 330 bhp or thereabouts, and the basic form factor (both exterior and interior) of the B8 A4 platform, is there any likelihood that existing V8 S4 owners would make this switch? Or is Audi aiming for an altogether different target buyer?

I think I'd be hard pressed to want to give up the V8 in my current S4.

Thoughts, anyone?

so you wouldn't want a significantly faster, more balanced, better feeling, less understeering car? that would win just about ANY lap race against your V8? and do so while delivering a significant improvement in fuel efficiency? all with Audi Quattro, great styling and an awesome interior?

Sure sound in our car is unparallelled in the S4 history, however you have to understand that for everyone who sold a b6 to buy a b7, or sold a b5 to buy a b6, the same will happen with the b8. I imagine once magazines get their hands on one for a thorough test (not a 'first drive') and rave about it, we'll feel better about the replacement for displacement.

Real world 0-60 time should be 4.6-4.8 seconds. 1/4 mile time should be in the low 13s. Couple that with the aforementioned improvements and it's an AWESOME car.

[sakimano]

No. I agree with buritos. on the other hand...ill wait for the new rs4

I guess you're a patient guy. The 'new RS4' Won't be out till about 2017 (no B8 RS4, so you'll have to wait for end of the B9 run...and that is IF they make a B9 RS4)

[sakimano]

Supercharging your V8 must be insanely expensive, and isn't comparable to a $600 software upgrade.
Just surprised to hear so many B5/B6'ers so vehemently opposed to a supercharged V6, especially once they've never seen in person, that has a truly modern engine that is being well-received.

I went from a stage 2 B5 to an NA R32, and have been disappointed by having an NA motor. At 4,500 feet in Utah, NA motors are sucked dry of their power.

so far you're the only b5er here...and we can't wait for you to leave.

edit: you're a bnothing-er. You're a Vortex guy.

[Swanky]

No. I agree with buritos. on the other hand...ill wait for the new rs4


I guess you're a patient guy. The 'new RS4' Won't be out till about 2017 (no B8 RS4, so you'll have to wait for end of the B9 run...and that is IF they make a B9 RS4)

haha, on that note i'm waiting for the all wheel drive e92 M3xi

[Papachristou]

bmw x drive is not comparable to quattro IMO. the ease of tuning a FI car is going to be really nice. supercharging a rs4 or s4 is not a realistic option for the majority of s4 owners as it costs $25k

[drew]

no way in hell.

[JMRQuattro]

I don't like the new interior. I would honestly rather have my B6 1.8t A4 than the new B8 S4. Better body lines, IMO better interior because it just flows so nicely and everything looks like a new car even though it's 6 years old. The new interiors just don't flow as well and don't do anything for me. If i were to get an S4 i would get a B6 or B7. But unless money was the issue, i wouldn't get an S4. I'd get a Sprint Blue Pearl B7 RS4 Avant [:D]


And that would be so sick if they came out with an RS version of the Q7 TDI! Talk about insanely expensive though. And it would be cool to come out with an RS8 (not like an R8, but based off the A8/S8 platform). But because of the whole name similarity with the 8 they kind of screwed that idea.

[46zulu]

bmw x drive is not comparable to quattro IMO. the ease of tuning a FI car is going to be really nice. supercharging a rs4 or s4 is not a realistic option for the majority of s4 owners as it costs $25k

I don't think that 25k figure will be true for too much longer. Are you talking about the MTM S/C?

[two2]

I don't think that 25k figure will be true for too much longer. Are you talking about the MTM S/C?

MTM is $50k for rs4. groupbuy anyone? [rolleyes]

[sakimano]

MTM is $50k for rs4. groupbuy anyone? [rolleyes]

hahahahaha! nice.

[sakimano]

haha, on that note i'm waiting for the all wheel drive e92 M3xi

not sure if you're being sarcastic, but I wish they'd do that.

[Swanky]

not sure if you're being sarcastic, but I wish they'd do that.

yeah sarcasm for sure. i wish bimmer would do it, but we know that won't happen... then again if someone is waiting for the "new rs4" a lot can happen in that many years haha

[RAudi Driver]

I would love to have a B8 S4. It'll probably be a better car to drive than the RS4 which is a fat pig.

[S-Fore]

I would love to have a B8 S4. It'll probably be a better car to drive than the RS4 which is a fat pig.

You serious?

Everyone should be focusing on the letter R, not S. In are few short years, R8's will be very obtainable, IMO. Like $60-80K used.

[drew]

ed must have started drinking early tonight[:D]

[SuperAvant]

I did read the entire thread—it is only a page and a half. :)

The point is—for very little money—you can have a much faster car.

Supercharging your V8 must be insanely expensive, and isn't comparable to a $600 software upgrade.

Though I have been looking at the RS4, and just examined a nice local one two days ago, beautiful cars.

Just surprised to hear so many B5/B6'ers so vehemently opposed to a supercharged V6, especially once they've never seen in person, that has a truly modern engine that is being well-received.

I went from a stage 2 B5 to an NA R32, and have been disappointed by having an NA motor. At 4,500 feet in Utah, NA motors are sucked dry of their power.


LOL Software upgrade on a Supercharged car... You obviously don't know much about Superchargers.

[two2]

when is the rs5 coming out, is there a spec sheet on it? i would get that than wait for the rs4.

[sakimano]

when is the rs5 coming out, is there a spec sheet on it? i would get that than wait for the rs4.

it hasn't been revealed yet. Still arguing on which engine will be used (looks like RS4 engine tuned to 450hp+ but many think the RS6 engine detuned to 500hp)

Munich Autoshow will be the car's official unveiling. Not long now...

[highPSI-S4]

I have a decision to make in a year, RS4 or another car. RS4 is first then the M3, but i will also consider the B8 S4. I will drive them all to see what i like, and i want to stay with Audi. I think the B8 S4 will put a smile on my face like my B5 S4 but on the other hand the RS4 at that time will be cheaper and it has looks that could kill so we'll see.

[jstahmann]

And that would be so sick if they came out with an RS version of the Q7 TDI!

Here you go - some pics I took when I was at the Audi Forum Neckarsulm in Februrary. Built by quattro GmbH, but doesn't get the RS badge because its not an RS...

http://www.stahmann-motorsports.com/Audi/de09/IMG_0739%20(Large).JPG

http://www.stahmann-motorsports.com/Audi/de09/IMG_0741%20(Large).JPG

http://www.stahmann-motorsports.com/Audi/de09/IMG_0720%20(Large).JPG

http://www.stahmann-motorsports.com/Audi/de09/IMG_0723%20(Large).JPG

From a Fourtitude interview with Stephan Reil, Head of Technology Development - quattro GmbH:

"Reil: The Q7 V12 TDI is also a car of ours. It is not branded RS, but we have the development of the car. We just showed it in Geneva. The production will begin in the third quarter of this year. So we are still involved in that car. Of course in an SUV that large TDI engine makes a lot of sense. We didn't label it RS because it is not, it is a superior driving car. It has a lot of power, a lot of torque, and very luxurious but it is not an RS. What you think behind the two letters. This car had to go 8000 kilometers on the Nordschleife and we were chasing a lot of smaller, sportier cars with that big thing. We were running quite good lap times with the 2.8 tons.

Journalist: What were the lap times?

Reil: It is able to go about 8:40-8:45. This is not bad for 2.8 tons."

http://www.fourtitude.com/news/publish/Features/article_3975.shtml

[race]

[RAudi Driver]

ed must have started drinking early tonight[:D]

No, but just for that, I'm gonna go and have a few shots of Tequila.

Actually, I do think that my RS4 is no fun to drive. It's heavy, slow and has no push me into the back of my seat feel. Sorry to say it. I own one and that's just how I feel about it. But the fact that they are rare, beautiful and handle great makes me still love the car. Would I trade it for a new S4? No, but I do think that the new S4 will drive better than the RS4.

[S-Fore]

Actually, I do think that my RS4 is no fun to drive. It's heavy, slow and has no push me into the back of my seat feel. Sorry to say it. I own one and that's just how I feel about it. But the fact that they are rare, beautiful and handle great makes me still love the car. Would I trade it for a new S4? No, but I do think that the new S4 will drive better than the RS4.

WOW! And thank you! I thought that I was the only one. I was on the fence since Dec., driven the car(s) plenty of times (even for a week, lucky me) and in the end I had the same exact opinion and could not justify the purchase.

[RAudi Driver]

Yup, there isn't that much difference between the S4 and the Rs4 on the street in daily driving. If I had to do it all over again I would have just stayed with my S4.

[likewater]

Yup, there isn't that much difference between the S4 and the Rs4 on the street in daily driving. If I had to do it all over again I would have just stayed with my S4.

There's a beautiful RS4 sitting at my local dealer and I have been thinking of getting it. However, because of what you wrote Ed, I'm not gonna do it!!! Thanks for helping me make up my mind and save the dough.

Reminds me of the post I did about the difference between my S4 and my buddies E92 M3. The M3 was definitely quicker but the difference was not as great as I thought it would be. I drove both cars back to back and aside from the fact that it's slower, the S felt every bit as good as that M car. I was impressed and shocked to say the least.

[Jrunr]

I did read the entire thread—it is only a page and a half. :)

The point is—for very little money—you can have a much faster car.

Supercharging your V8 must be insanely expensive, and isn't comparable to a $600 software upgrade.

Though I have been looking at the RS4, and just examined a nice local one two days ago, beautiful cars.

Just surprised to hear so many B5/B6'ers so vehemently opposed to a supercharged V6, especially once they've never seen in person, that has a truly modern engine that is being well-received.

I went from a stage 2 B5 to an NA R32, and have been disappointed by having an NA motor. At 4,500 feet in Utah, NA motors are sucked dry of their power.


LMAO! You have to laugh at this guy's logic! Yes, my little B5 friend, it will cost much less to get more performance out of mods on a supercharged car. HOWEVER, you forget to factor in the ADDITIONAL $20-$25,000 it will cost when you "upgrade" to that new B8... [o_o]

So, go have fun with your "blow off valve" [eek] on your B5 and, leave us to our own educated discussion.

[ahhhudi]

No interest in the new B8 platform. Don't like the look of the exterior, especially the rear end and I like the V8 sound & feel too much.

Next will be either an RS4, all blacked out everything, or E92 M3.

ps. As far as the the topic of B8 S4 modded being faster than B6/B7 V8s... yeah, you can also get a civic and mod the crap out of that... I'm sure that could probably beat a few RS4s... doesn't mean it's a better car. Style, look, sound, feel are much more important factors to me than drag racing speed potential.

[CHECKERED]

Not a chance. The idea of a supercharged V6 does nothing for me. I'll either be going the VF route if that ends up looking like a practical option for a daily driven Canadian car. If not, RS4 is up next.

V8 FTW + power adders
A supercharged V6 will have less headroom.

[40valve]

In are few short years, R8's will be very obtainable, IMO. Like $60-80K used.
Very much doubt that. It'll be a long time before R8 is $60k. Those cars are not comparable to S/RS and are not as mass produced so the price will not be going down as quick.

On the B8 thing ... I have no desire.

[nealRlett]

nope- I am V8 kind of guy. And the new B8 platform still looks weird to me. If i had the choice I would pick the S5 over the B8 S4. However, in LA S5s are everywhere!!! You never see S4s. Probably will stick with my S4 for a while.

[Ill 3.0]

V8 FTW + power adders
A supercharged V6 will have less headroom.

What do you mean by less headroom, less potential for higher power? I'd say that remains to be seen, but if I were to guess I'd say the 4.2 would fail on stock internals before the 3.0 TFSI would given equal power outputs. Very few people (i.e. no one on AZ) could probably answer that right now though.

[jlc59]

RS4 or S5 next, B8 platform has not grown on me yet, the butt looks like a 3 series.. However I did see a black S line version this wknd that didnt look half bad.

[sakimano]

What do you mean by less headroom, less potential for higher power? I'd say that remains to be seen, but if I were to guess I'd say the 4.2 would fail on stock internals before the 3.0 TFSI would given equal power outputs. Very few people (i.e. no one on AZ) could probably answer that right now though.

who knows...personally I'd doubt it since the new S4 is a bit more downmarket car than the old one. They've shaved on costs quite a bit with this car, and I wouldn't be surprised to see that carry right through the engine.

[Ill 3.0]

who knows...personally I'd doubt it since the new S4 is a bit more downmarket car than the old one. They've shaved on costs quite a bit with this car, and I wouldn't be surprised to see that carry right through the engine.

Why do you say its downmarket? What costs were cut? Is the entry price lower? If anything the block and components should be reinforced as the reported max psi is 0.8 bar (11.6 psi).

[pcasso87]

No offence to anyone but i find the Q7 But Ugly the front end looks like the titanic , its back end looks like a dog taking a shit!!!

And for the B8 S4 , yes i will eventually buy one but my next car will be an avant so i will wait until the manual B8 avant S4 gets here. It has a lot of potential , lightweight pulley to get more boost etc .

[Phil_This]

No B8S4/RS4 Avant - then no me.

Keeping my B6.

+1

[SoCalS4Avant]

^ Glad to hear it Phil.

Damn Audi and their "those things don't sell here" attitude! I don't need a Q5, I need an S4(RS4) Avant.

[pcasso87]

^ Glad to hear it Phil.

Damn Audi and their "those things don't sell here" attitude! I don't need a Q5, I need an S4(RS4) Avant.

Sooo does this mean the S4 avant is not coming to the us and canada???? [o_o]

[sakimano]

Sooo does this mean the S4 avant is not coming to the us and canada???? [o_o]

that's right
no S4 Avant/S6 Avant/RS6 Avant (or sedan)/A4-AllRoad/A6-AllRoad

TWIXXXXXXXXXXXX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sakimano]

Why do you say its downmarket? What costs were cut? Is the entry price lower? If anything the block and components should be reinforced as the reported max psi is 0.8 bar (11.6 psi).

it just is...kind of well known I thought?

The pricing here in Canada is down quite a bit this time around.

[sakimano]

RS4 or S5 next, B8 platform has not grown on me yet, the butt looks like a 3 series.. However I did see a black S line version this wknd that didnt look half bad.

how does it look like a 3 series? I don't see it.

I think it looks a bit like something, but I can't put my finger on it. I thought some Oldsmobile?

[Ill 3.0]

it just is...kind of well known I thought?


I don't know, if you find anything specific just send it my way, I'll definitely be following the 3.0 TFSI with interest.

[pcasso87]

that's right
no S4 Avant/S6 Avant/RS6 Avant (or sedan)/A4-AllRoad/A6-AllRoad

TWIXXXXXXXXXXXX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now that right there pisses me off!!!! I wanted to get an avant for my next car , but i wont sell this one until 2011 so i hope they bring the b8 s4 avant by then i just hope its not an automatic [down]
If any one of you bastards upgrades to a b8 s4 please let us know and post up a thread in the b6/b7 s4 rs4 chatterbox section!! Im curious to know how many of you will upgrade to the b8 s4. Im audi all the way so i might upgrade sooner or later

[Quattroownsyou]

OP...with regards to a Q7 RS...the TDI 12 cylinder consists of a de-tuned lemans racing engine that makes 493 (500)hp and 740lb/ft. IT IS MENTALLY INSANE. DR did a review and tested it against an E60 M5 where it only lost by about a car length. Not bad for a 2.5 ton tank.

[S4SugarHips]

I think I'd be hard pressed to want to give up the V8 in my current S4.

Thoughts, anyone?

good question. i have a b6 and will be in the market for another car in about a year or so and i'm not sure what direction to go.
i think Audi is always trying to change things up to have a target in every market.

[Tonkaman]

Yup, there isn't that much difference between the S4 and the Rs4 on the street in daily driving. If I had to do it all over again I would have just stayed with my S4.

Thanks Ed!

You made me feel better about not gettting the RS4....although, I could pick one up slightly used for roughly the same as I paid for my S4. Now I actually feel bad again....this sucks.

[iluvTTs]

Rather than upgrade from my B6 I think I'm going to grab an 07 S6....I'd like a little more room than the S4 has and that v10 is just pure sex!

[S4SugarHips]

Rather than upgrade from my B6 I think I'm going to grab an 07 S6....I'd like a little more room than the S4 has and that v10 is just pure sex!

see, i'm just the opposite. i'm looking for smaller (and a cab), but the TT's can't offer me the power. Possibly the TT RS, but i'm sure that will be pricey. i just don't know. maybe if i test drive some different options, i'll fall in love and the choice will become clear.

[sakimano]

I don't know, if you find anything specific just send it my way, I'll definitely be following the 3.0 TFSI with interest.

subtle things...not a seperate build anymore...not a handmade engine from a seperate factory anymore...cutting corners on parts. i.e. subtle, but obvious...go open your trunk. See that amazing robotic hydraulic pump lift system that folds up like a Transformers character? That's to save trunk space. That's gone, and has been replaced by regular crappy rotating hinges that eat into the trunk space. The car is effectively a top of the line A4 now, whereas before it earned a distinction of being a seperate sport model to battle the M3. Now the RS5 will battle the M3/C63 while the S4 has been assigned to 335i duty. The price is basically right there with a similarly equipped 335xi (a little more expensive, but Audis always are).

[jlc59]

how does it look like a 3 series? I don't see it.

I think it looks a bit like something, but I can't put my finger on it. I thought some Oldsmobile?

IMO the rear without a doubt looks 3 series ish.

[sakimano]

see, i'm just the opposite. i'm looking for smaller (and a cab), but the TT's can't offer me the power. Possibly the TT RS, but i'm sure that will be pricey. i just don't know. maybe if i test drive some different options, i'll fall in love and the choice will become clear.

TTS

basically the same performance as your S4 (slightly faster even), looks awesome and will feel like a racecar with the roof down and that small chassis.

They sell for $55k (I'm sure you can negotiate a great deal)

[sakimano]

IMO the rear without a doubt looks 3 series ish.

which 3 series? e90 sedan?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3189/2438908768_b45cd6193c.jpghttp://www.autoevolution.com/images/gallery/medium/BMW3Series-E90--medium-3784_8.jpg

[cellg8]

i think i might save for another brand (bmw? LOL) maybe...so I could have 'the best of both worlds'....LOL...

[ahhhudi]

Rather than upgrade from my B6 I think I'm going to grab an 07 S6....I'd like a little more room than the S4 has and that v10 is just pure sex!

I was kind of getting into that realm of possibilities myself for the next ride. Although from reading and watching all the reviews done on the S6, if there is a weakness it is that the V10 has been 'hushed' and that the actual exterior doesn't do the justice to the kind of car that it really is. That worries me a bit because I plan on NOT making my next Audi a daily driver, rather something for weekends and such. But I'm sure I'll consider it once it gets to that point. I find it hard to resist the V10 also.

What's really grabbing my imagination is a tinted RS4, all blacked out all everything! Lights, mirrors, emblems (Audi and RS), everything everything.... that would look just.... evil. [evilsmile]

[sakimano]

I was kind of getting into that realm of possibilities myself for the next ride. Although from reading and watching all the reviews done on the S6, if there is a weakness it is that the V10 has been 'hushed' and that the actual exterior doesn't do the justice to the kind of car that it really is. That worries me a bit because I plan on NOT making my next Audi a daily driver, rather something for weekends and such. But I'm sure I'll consider it once it gets to that point. I find it hard to resist the V10 also.

What's really grabbing my imagination is a tinted RS4, all blacked out all everything! Lights, mirrors, emblems (Audi and RS), everything everything.... that would look just.... evil. [evilsmile]

yes, sadly the S6 is 'slow' (relative to the performance world). Shockingly slow, considering that great engine which is very detuned. It's also REALLY heavy and without those LED lights, one could easily sneak past you as an A6. Weird car. At $100,000 (Canada price) and competing with the M5 and E63 it's a really tough sell.

[c4racer]

^ Glad to hear it Phil.

Damn Audi and their "those things don't sell here" attitude! I don't need a Q5, I need an S4(RS4) Avant.

hear hear. One more for keeping my manual S4 Avant. In fact, I am going to get a second car to soak up some of the 20K+ miles I drive so I can enjoy the B6 even longer. Plus, I'm a V8 guy. Fuel mileage, bah... [evilsmile]