Build thread of Tiptronic GTRS, Running 100%

[vinny.dtw]

So after not having the car for two weeks, I'm finally going to get it back on Friday. Went to the shop to do some work, and it finally starts. Now the main problem is, the fitment of the USP bumper with the ER sport FMIC. Whoever said that it was a direct bolt on needs to recheck how they installed this thing. Me and my mechanic hacked the bumper, and the lower grille to death in order to finally get it to fit.

On to the main reason why it took so long for me to get the car back. Let me first say, Shawn (a4ringedONE8t) from 1552 has given me awesome support to me and my mechanic. He answered our questions promptly, and the customer service was great. However, what ended up taking me this long was the overall fitment of this kit. There were many things I / Stefan (my mechanic) really thought would cause some issues in the long run. As this car is my daily driver, I wanted to insure that EVERYTHING works out perfectly. Here is a list of the things that has caused the delays, and I feel needs to be addressed with the GTRS.

1. Turbo to test pipe gasket, is NOT included in the kit. If you plan on ordering this kit, please source this first.

2. Neuspeed turbo inlet pipe is the Samco pipe that really doesn't fit all that great behind the fan. It will rub onto the AC condenser line, and your headlight mount bracket. I'm afraid in time, it will rub through after miles of vibration.

3. Evolution Racewerks Sport FMIC does not fit behind the ultrasport bumper easily. Lots of modification and cutting was needed behind the grilles, and parts of the foglight brackets to clear the intercooler and the piping itself.

4. In terms of plumbing, there were numerous hoses that we felt had to be trimmed, extended, or all together have a different hose / clamps. Some T-bolt clamps were too small, such as the inlet pipe ones, and some hoses were too short. Or a coupler was missing from the power steering cooler. I'll get into the specifics when I actually take the pictures of them.

5. ATP manifold, which seems to be a common problem amongst the eliminator crowd. Tightening this manifold require excessive cursing, lots of alcohol, and a decent amount of time. They really should make a custom wrench, or bit for this manifold, as that would save people a lot of time.

So far thats all I can think about. Everything else was pretty straight forward. Ryan's BT turbo on a4mods certainly helped a lot on my end. You may think all of these problems are small and insignificant, but I am personally anal about things, and I believe if you are paying a large sum of money, it better be done right the first time.

Now onto the pics.

The GTRS.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_6Z8R3DRztNo/SQncgJGTQMI/AAAAAAAAA3M/cXtDjtO-DUU/s640/IMG_1915.JPG

The GTRS in!
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_6Z8R3DRztNo/SS44lMBX3FI/AAAAAAAAA7A/I_fSPzrtJRk/s640/11242008%28001%29.jpg

FMIC on, without the power steering cooler.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_6Z8R3DRztNo/SS44knVKjQI/AAAAAAAAA68/vmHaG_bNAG4/s640/11242008.jpg

What it looks like as of tonight at 7 p.m.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_6Z8R3DRztNo/SS44mBKabzI/AAAAAAAAA7I/UlW0_n_UK6Y/s640/11262008.jpg


I'll give a more precise review of this with the tiptronic transmission, along with videos and dyno's on the B6. Few more mods, coming. i'll keep updating just this thread, rather then starting a different ones. I'm out, a little buzzed and the gf needs my attention. [:D]

[davidlizard]

nice and fast!!

[FLACO X3]

sweet im doing a GTRS Elim on my tiptronic as well. what size injectors does your tune call for? I got Tapp tuning with 630cc injectors.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

FINALLY!!!! video/review of how it drives or ban.

[yung turbo]

subscribed. after i see your results ill save and pull the trigger.

[vinny.dtw]

sweet im doing a GTRS Elim on my tiptronic as well. what size injectors does your tune call for? I got Tapp tuning with 630cc injectors.

I went with 550cc injectors.

[dougyfresh]

4. In terms of plumbing, there were numerous hoses that we felt had to be trimmed, extended, or all together have a different hose / clamps. Some T-bolt clamps were too small, such as the inlet pipe ones, and some hoses were too short. Or a coupler was missing from the power steering cooler. I'll get into the specifics when I actually take the pictures of them.

5. ATP manifold, which seems to be a common problem amongst the eliminator crowd. Tightening this manifold require excessive cursing, lots of alcohol, and a decent amount of time. They really should make a custom wrench, or bit for this manifold, as that would save people a lot of time.


Vinny, Glad to see it is together and operational. [up] Continue to work out the bugs and then go enjoy it!

Did you guys bend a combination wrench like Greg and others have done for that manifold? I have been told it makes life 10x easier to install.

The general consensus I have noticed is that a lot of the stock lines are re-used and/or lengthened. The Eliminator kit does not include full lines for coolant and oil and other such items to the TIP. While I have not installed an Eliminator kit yet (in the next few months I will be) I do not think it could be that hard. I'm sure with the resources you guys have at your mechanic's shop you were able to piece things together with little difficulty (as opposed to someone in their driveway making multiple trips to ACE).


PS. While that photo of the turbo installed may not have been taken at 100% completion, your EVAP line is missing some hose clamps. [;)]

[jrau13]

Can't wait for some reviews on what you think. I would love to do this at some point.

[infinitigor]

Can't wait for some reviews on what you think. I would love to do this at some point.

+1, almost exact same route i want to take

[UhOhQuattro]

More!

[Turbo1A4]

are you still running your stock tranny?

[Papachristou]

my racetec fit perfectly.. zero trimming.. im glad i didnt get the er sport now.... i wonder how the comp fits behind a usp bumper then?

[RLB6]

Yes, you have to trim the lower part of your bumper, USP or not for the ER FMIC to fit. The racetecs and awe units do not require trimming because their cores are thinner BUT do not have the cooling capacity as the ER units.

[KPC1.8TQuat]

Subscribed...

Any reason you went with the GTRS and not the GT71r?

[vinny.dtw]

Vinny, Glad to see it is together and operational. [up] Continue to work out the bugs and then go enjoy it!

Did you guys bend a combination wrench like Greg and others have done for that manifold? I have been told it makes life 10x easier to install.

The general consensus I have noticed is that a lot of the stock lines are re-used and/or lengthened. The Eliminator kit does not include full lines for coolant and oil and other such items to the TIP. While I have not installed an Eliminator kit yet (in the next few months I will be) I do not think it could be that hard. I'm sure with the resources you guys have at your mechanic's shop you were able to piece things together with little difficulty (as opposed to someone in their driveway making multiple trips to ACE).


PS. While that photo of the turbo installed may not have been taken at 100% completion, your EVAP line is missing some hose clamps. [;)]


Haha, i know, I was just taking a break. :P I didn't end up bending a wrench to tighten the bolts, but we did shave one and just did it very slowly. But yes, it was a lot easier to install it at his place, then in my garage. That would of been a nightmare.

The car is now home. Operational, no CEL, no leaks, and feels pretty interesting? I can't say I can phrase it properly, but the car is definetely a lot faster, however, it doesn't feel faster due to the lack of torque spike that I'm use to from the little K03. I actually haven't gotten on it yet. I've stayed below 15psi, on boost 7 and timing 5 (Sent by Shawn that way). And not entirely sure how long I should baby it. I asked several people and they say take it easy for at least 500 miles. hmmm... I need to figure out how to start logging to make sure it is running properly as well. But as of right now, all is good.

Exhaust is louder as well. There is more drone in the cabin, but nothing unbearable. I'll be taking videos most likely tonight, or this weekend after I get a few more miles on it.

Does anyone know more specifics about the break in period as well as logging, and what channels are required? Thanks.

Here are some pics.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_6Z8R3DRztNo/STBU1WwW1yI/AAAAAAAAA7k/8d1rCoobuIg/s720/IMG_2157.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_6Z8R3DRztNo/STBU3CkePuI/AAAAAAAAA7o/Say5ETKsx84/s720/IMG_2158.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_6Z8R3DRztNo/STBU4p_08RI/AAAAAAAAA7s/-m4O6tzLgOQ/s720/IMG_2159.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_6Z8R3DRztNo/STBU6BHTVMI/AAAAAAAAA70/xaer_mtXSG4/s720/IMG_2160.JPG

Here is the list that has been done in terms of performance. GTRS Turbo / ER Testpipe / 550cc Injectors with adapters / ER Sport FMIC / ATP Manifold / Magnaflow Exhaust / Neuspeed,Samco Turbo Inlet Pipe / K&N Cone filter with Blinktek Heat Shield / Software is REVO's 440 Injector file.

[Howard Hughes]

Subscribed...

Any reason you went with the GTRS and not the GT71r?

Because it will hit soon in the RPM range... We don't have the benefit of reving much off the line...



And is the Revo file specific to the 550cc injectors.... or is this some SPS tweakery?

[dougyfresh]

Why baby it? Get on that gas pedal and run some logs to verify all is in check.

Fab up a heatshield for that intake. your filter is sucking hot air. I gotta do the same with my car.

Very nice Vinny!

[dirtybrd]

Both of ya'll beat me to it.

[KPC1.8TQuat]

Do you think the ER Sport will be enough to handle the GTRS? I thought going with the ER Competition was an automatic decision for anything over a K04.

I'm also surprised to hear about how much you had to hack up your USP. I know some cutting is insatiable, but still. You made it sound as if there was nothing left of your bumper. Did you replace the rebar?

[Molotov]

undo the tape holding that white clip on in the second picture of your latest post, looks dumb floating there haha. This makes me think back to when I did my gtrs and how fun/frustrating it was at times

[KPC1.8TQuat]

I just read your edited mod list in that last post...You have the exact parts list I'm going with except I want a GT71r and I'm skipping the test pipe and intake.

Same everything else i.e. magnaflow, 550cc, revo, etc...

All I need to know is if that ER sport will be enough to handle the GTRS...

[lookaught]

Why baby it? Get on that gas pedal and run some logs to verify all is in check.

Fab up a heatshield for that intake. your filter is sucking hot air. I gotta do the same with my car.

Very nice Vinny!

He said that he has a Blinktek heatshield, which should be sufficient.

There is one for sale in the classified now, I dont know if it'll fit your setep though. Its not hard to bend sheet metal anyway, I'd just make one myself like you suggested.

[dougyfresh]

He said that he has a Blinktek heatshield, which should be sufficient.

There is one for sale in the classified now, I dont know if it'll fit your setep though. Its not hard to bend sheet metal anyway, I'd just make one myself like you suggested.

I did not see that. Was posting from my phone. Good catch Jon! [up]

[A4ringedONE8T]

Glad she is up and running, left my phone at home today, just got home and saw your missed call, sorry about that. If you need me again, give me a call, Ill be home all night and have my phone with me this time [up] When I did my GTRS, the car did not feel much faster IMO (over the K04), not until you put it up against a car you know is faster will you realize what it can do!

For those asking about the ER Sport, for the average temps in the north, it will suffice for 90% of the year. In extreme heat/summer or anywhere in the south, it will heat soak time to time. The Comp is a better match for the GTRS but the Sport will definitely do the job as Vinny requested.

Dont worry about beating on the car, the worst things to happen will be any loose clamps or hoses will pop off, but really the GTRS/REVO setup is pretty much bulletproof, IE install and beat on it!

Thanks for mentioning me and glad everything is finally done! Dont hesitate to call my cell if you need anything or have any questions!

[FourRings80]

The Blinktek heatshield is sold...

Vinny, IIRC Greg posted somewhere that it's a good practice to:

'' It is important to torque the bolts after the initial install about 500 miles after they go through a good heat cycle session. We have found that when this is preformed 8 out of 10 times they don’t back out unless the car is placed under constant heavy boost at or above 25psi. ''

Also some Neuspeed TIP collapse under boost, David used a hose clamp to help it keep it's shape. Planning on keeping it there just in case.

Just two little heads up you might want to keep in mind. [up]

Happy to see quite a few people getting their cars back and some going BT. Yeah man looking foward to see a few logs of yours so I can compare with mine when the time comes... Can't wait [;)].

[vinny.dtw]

Semi update, I just took down a 335i from a 35mph role up to 100. I was about half a car length ahead.

Another problem arose, at full boost (23psi) I get a stutter like a misfire, and flashing CEL too? Hmmm, not good.

[Siggiepop]

^ interesting.... not sure if you've considered this but i think wintson makes a metal TIP for GTRS might be worth considering. Spark plug changed?

[RLB6]

Semi update, I just took down a 335i from a 35mph role up to 100. I was about half a car length ahead.

Another problem arose, at full boost (23psi) I get a stutter like a misfire, and flashing CEL too? Hmmm, not good.

How many pounds are you boosting too? You're missfiring at only 23 PSI. Weird. I start misfiring only when I hit 28-29 PSI. [:D]

[Molotov]

I was under the impression that the eliminators push mostly hot air at 28-29 psi

[A4ringedONE8T]

Vince 38 degrees is damn cold, I think you might have the wrong plugs at the wrong gap for those temps and the power level. I dont have much (any) experience with anything under 55-60 so Im not much help, sorry. You might also try your OEM plugs over the Hitachi bolt downs if the problems continue. R's have a stronger spark

And nice kill [race][up]

[A4ringedONE8T]

I was under the impression that the eliminators push mostly hot air at 28-29 psi

They do, way out of their efficiency range

[vinny.dtw]

Vince 38 degrees is damn cold, I think you might have the wrong plugs at the wrong gap for those temps and the power level. I dont have much (any) experience with anything under 55-60 so Im not much help, sorry. You might also try your OEM plugs over the Hitachi bolt downs if the problems continue. R's have a stronger spark

And nice kill [race][up]

Generally speaking, for colder weather, do you use a hotter or colder plug? and is bkr6e colder or bkr7e the colder plug? Maybe i do need to get the OEM coils just to try. But i'll do one at a time. Did some searches and it could possibly be my fuel filter? I replaced my fuel pump already, so it can't be that.

[Molotov]

hotter plug for colder weather, I was misfiring and went to 6E's...which is hotter than 7's

[A4ringedONE8T]

Generally speaking, for colder weather, do you use a hotter or colder plug? and is bkr6e colder or bkr7e the colder plug? Maybe i do need to get the OEM coils just to try. But i'll do one at a time. Did some searches and it could possibly be my fuel filter? I replaced my fuel pump already, so it can't be that.

If you have 40k miles + and havent done a filter yet, do it ASAP. For colder weather, you would want a slightly warmer plug or larger gap. Too cold of a plug or too small of a gap in a temp range outside what the plug was meant for can and will cause misfires. Flashing CEL = misfires obviously. If it was flashing your car doesnt like 1 of 3 things: plugs, coilpacks, or bad gas. Try a different stations 93 when you fill up than your current tank

7E is the cooler plug of the 2

[vinny.dtw]

Tried different gas station. I had mobile in this tank, and now im running sunocco 94. I'll do plugs next since i have the hitachi coils. thanks Shawn.

[9744RR]

Generally speaking, for colder weather, do you use a hotter or colder plug? and is bkr6e colder or bkr7e the colder plug? Maybe i do need to get the OEM coils just to try. But i'll do one at a time. Did some searches and it could possibly be my fuel filter? I replaced my fuel pump already, so it can't be that.


I've been using the "7e's" year round gapped at around .027-.028. I live in Rockland county and do alot of travelling to upstate NY and Connecticut and have had not had any problems with cold starts or misfiring with the plugs below 3000miles. Once the plugs are on for more than 3000 miles the car starts to misfire a little at high RPM's depending on the load. My SPS settings are at B8 T7 during the winter using only 93 oct.

[9744RR]

BTW, where did you get the 94 oct. Are you in Canada?

[KPC1.8TQuat]

Is this misfiring enough to make me shy away from going GT71r on my TIP?

[vinny.dtw]

Kurt, seriously, this is probably a miniscule problem. I have no doubt that itll be fine in a week after I change the plugs, and fuel filter. Its almost like you are afraid and finding excuse not to do it. Just man up and do it if and when you have the money. Whats with the K names, Kirk and Kurt, are both afraid to go BT on the tippy. I know I'm no innovator in this category, but I can tell you that the car feels damn good when you open it up. You would have never thought that your A4 can be that much more fun.


BTW, where did you get the 94 oct. Are you in Canada?

No i'm in Michigan. Sunocco is the only gas station that has 94 octane. Rest of them are only 93's.

[9744RR]

Is this misfiring enough to make me shy away from going GT71r on my TIP?

Just go for it already you won't regret it. For me, anything less that 250hp in a car that weighs almost 4000 pounds with driver, passengers and junk in hte trunk, high driveline friction because of quattro and tip tranny doesn't cut it nowadays especially with cheap high horsepower imports, minivans, and angry soccer moms on the road.[o_o]

BTW, the family minivan with its 240+ hp used to walk the A4 when it was at stage 1+.

[KPC1.8TQuat]

Whats with the K names, Kirk and Kurt, are both afraid to go BT on the tippy.

I'm not going to speak for my boy Kirk, but I can say for my case it's just because I baby my A4. I know you guys are right, I just need to pull the trigger.

Let me know how that ER Sport works out. I know we're up in the north and it's cold, but I also get 90-100 degree summer days in New England and I was planning on a ER Competition anyway...

[dougyfresh]

I was under the impression that the eliminators push mostly hot air at 28-29 psi

They do. Its a fine balance.

Granted I'm on a T25 flange but I'm still using a 28 series turbo (2871R) and we can't push anything more than 25psi on 93octane. We tried tuning for more boost but the car would just pull timing and make less power. On race gas we were able to successfully sustain 28psi of boost. You're on the upper end of the efficiency range with a 28series turbo and these levels of boost.

On pump gas you'll probably see your most amount of power around 21psi because you can run a healthy amount of timing advance for a stock motor. More boost doesn't necessarily mean more power.

[400HPA4]

Even on C16 my Eliminator does not make any useful power over 26psi...

If anyone is saying they are pushing 28-29psi with one, they are 100% full of shit, the turbop may spike that high bit it will not hold 28PSI at redline...

The flashing CEL and stutter you are getting is misfires under boost, most likley from spark blowouts...

You need the scan the car, clear all of the codes and run Bosch FR5DTC spark plugs.

[vinny.dtw]

Greg, I'm running the Denso Iridiums...However they do have about 15k miles on them. I'll be swapping over to the BKR7e's to try things out first.

Not only do i get a flashing CEL, but my traction control light as well as my battery light comes on. I replicated the incident this morning. Battery light and traction control stay on for about 10 seconds, and CEL just flashes and then goes away...

[400HPA4]

Try it with the ESP off

[KPC1.8TQuat]

run Bosch FR5DTC spark plugs.

What is the typical lifespan of the Bosch plugs and what do you gap them to? Are they a good choice for all season in New England? -10 degree winters, 100 degree summers....

[400HPA4]

3000 miles or so is recommended.

[400HPA4]

I run them year round here in cali...we do not get down to -10 degrees, just in the low 30s.

[KPC1.8TQuat]

3000 miles or so is recommended.

I do 3000 miles every 2 months...

Is this standard for a Elim setup? I'm a TIP so I'm planning on running a fairly conservative tune like 20-22 psi max.

[vinny.dtw]

Just took the car out real quick, and the car stalled on me. NO CEL, nothing. Tried to start it up, and it would start, but just not hold idle, and then stall again... Seems like a vac leak somewhere? Ryan told me to unplug the MAF sensor, and the car started right up and idled fine, but I have the traction control light ON, and CEL on....Any ideas? thanks


maybe a bad MAF...100k miles hmm maybe its time to replace it.

[A4SoftWalker]

Semi update, I just took down a 335i from a 35mph role up to 100. I was about half a car length ahead.

Another problem arose, at full boost (23psi) I get a stutter like a misfire, and flashing CEL too? Hmmm, not good.

That IS a good kill... the bimmer guy must've been WTF...[confused]

Hope u find/fix ur stuttering issue ur almost there ... [wrench]

[dirtybrd]

New MAF's should come with every chip or BT kit. They are most likely to go out after that.

[dougyfresh]

Does Ryan have a MAF you can borrow to verify that yours is bad?

[AudiA4_20T]

Just took the car out real quick, and the car stalled on me. NO CEL, nothing. Tried to start it up, and it would start, but just not hold idle, and then stall again... Seems like a vac leak somewhere? Ryan told me to unplug the MAF sensor, and the car started right up and idled fine, but I have the traction control light ON, and CEL on....Any ideas? thanks


maybe a bad MAF...100k miles hmm maybe its time to replace it.

coilpack

[vinny.dtw]

Not a coilpack. If it was a coilpack, my car wouldn't run smooth without the MAF. Plus i just replaced them with the Hitachi bolt down ones from ECS.

[vinny.dtw]

Does Ryan have a MAF you can borrow to verify that yours is bad?

He's in Chitown, and all of the other guys that I know that have b6's are either an hour away, or further.

On a more interesting note, I called my buddy Manny (convertedtoaudi) here, and he has the same kit as I do. And apparently he was experiencing misfire issues as well at full boost, and only at full boost. Both of our ecu's were flashed with the same file I believe...hmm

[Molotov]

What is the typical lifespan of the Bosch plugs and what do you gap them to? Are they a good choice for all season in New England? -10 degree winters, 100 degree summers....

You don't gap these, they are 3 pronged... I don't believe they work during our winters, I just swapped mine out for some 6E's and it fixed my stall's on cold start-up. Stalls and misfires could also be linked to them being 4-5k miles old though, but won't find out until I put them back in in the spring.

[dirtybrd]

Are you running the Bosch FR5DTC's? They don't seem the like cold weather. See if they make a FR6DTC.

[vinny.dtw]

I'll be getting some new spark plugs, its between bkr7e's or fr5/6dtc....depending on which one is readily available. I've had experience with the 7e's before, so I'm leaning towards that.

I'm currently running Denso Iridium IK22s... Thats probably my misfire problem right there.

[dirtybrd]

Plus they are easier to find.

[RLB6]

If anyone is saying they are pushing 28-29psi with one, they are 100% full of shit, the turbop may spike that high bit it will not hold 28PSI at redline...


I guess you must not have read my thread where I spikeed 37 and held 35 PSI very close to redline. I'm not sure about your elim setup but I can run 28-29 PSI and the car is a whole 'nother animal up top.

It also helps that this is in 30-40 degree weather. No way I would chance that if it were hotter. BTW, I discovered this shit on accident when I realized that my profec wasn't regulating boost no longer [o_o]

[vinny.dtw]

Got to love posts that always end with a "oh our prices are even better then so and so". His tests only show dyno but not long term on a turbo car, plenty of B5 guys have tried to run denso iridium plugs but they always ended up causing misfire issues.

Quoted from this thread
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157392&highlight=denso+iridium

Hmm, can't believe i missed so many little things.

Also went out and started the car, with the MAF sensor, it started for about 5 seconds normally, then just died. Shut the car off, and then turned it on without the MAF....idles perfectly fine, then i tried to plug the MAF in, car died right away. I'm 99% sure its the MAF...but guess I got baby it home.

Is it ok to drive without the MAF?

[400HPA4]

I guess you must not have read my thread where I spikeed 37 and held 35 PSI very close to redline. I'm not sure about your elim setup but I can run 28-29 PSI and the car is a whole 'nother animal up top.

It also helps that this is in 30-40 degree weather. No way I would chance that if it were hotter. BTW, I discovered this shit on accident when I realized that my profec wasn't regulating boost no longer [o_o]

You are full of shizz...

[Turb_Oh_A4]

My buddys Stage 3 S4 had a problem with the MAF also. We unplugged it and did a few logs and Zero misfires, plugged it back in and misfires up top. Im sure it'll be fine to drive without it for not long, just like if you killed a coilpack, but i wouldnt take it on Vacation.

[dirtybrd]

Quoted from this thread
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157392&highlight=denso+iridium

Hmm, can't believe i missed so many little things.

Also went out and started the car, with the MAF sensor, it started for about 5 seconds normally, then just died. Shut the car off, and then turned it on without the MAF....idles perfectly fine, then i tried to plug the MAF in, car died right away. I'm 99% sure its the MAF...but guess I got baby it home.

Is it ok to drive without the MAF?

Yes.

[forevraudi]

nice dude! so your trans won't blow up like everyone says it will with an auto?

[A4ringedONE8T]

Do the misfires/breaking up go away when the MAF's unplugged? MAF FTL [down]

Nothing wrong with running without a MAF, other than the CEL staying on and the ESP always being off

[winston@podi.ca]

Just took the car out real quick, and the car stalled on me. NO CEL, nothing. Tried to start it up, and it would start, but just not hold idle, and then stall again... Seems like a vac leak somewhere? Ryan told me to unplug the MAF sensor, and the car started right up and idled fine, but I have the traction control light ON, and CEL on....Any ideas? thanks


maybe a bad MAF...100k miles hmm maybe its time to replace it.

Check to see if the big Y shaped check valve close to the back of the intake manifold isn't cracked in half. Mine was and it caused a big leak in the system. While you are there might as well check all the hoses to make sure a clamp didn't pop off.

You might have a bad MAF and if the MAF is disconnected you get the traction control light on.

[jackyaudi]

Do the misfires/breaking up go away when the MAF's unplugged? MAF FTL [down]

Nothing wrong with running without a MAF, other than the CEL staying on and the ESP always being off

Funny thing is yesterday when I unplugged my MAF and started the car, I did not have any CEL (did not really drive the car though) but I had that ESP light off. I dont understand the connection between the MAF and ESP light...

[winston@podi.ca]

damn...posted before I read the read of the thread [headbang]

[A4ringedONE8T]

Funny thing is yesterday when I unplugged my MAF and started the car, I did not have any CEL (did not really drive the car though) but I had that ESP light off. I dont understand the connection between the MAF and ESP light...

The MAF is used for loading ratings for the traction control

[vinny.dtw]

nice dude! so your trans won't blow up like everyone says it will with an auto?

Not yet at least. Time will tell.



Do the misfires/breaking up go away when the MAF's unplugged? MAF FTL [down]

Nothing wrong with running without a MAF, other than the CEL staying on and the ESP always being off

I just need to make sure it is the MAF, and not some other cause.


Check to see if the big Y shaped check valve close to the back of the intake manifold isn't cracked in half. Mine was and it caused a big leak in the system. While you are there might as well check all the hoses to make sure a clamp didn't pop off.

You might have a bad MAF and if the MAF is disconnected you get the traction control light one.

My defense that it isn't a air leak is because my boost gauge is still at 18-20 vacuum at idle. But regardless I'll need to look at everything. Thanks for the advice Winston.

[A4ringedONE8T]

If unplugging the MAF resolves the problem it is either a bad MAF or a vac/boost leak. If your boost gauges shows around -20 when @ idle, then your MAF is most likely bad.

[vinny.dtw]

I just don't think a inHG would be enough to cause my car to just shut down at idle.

[dirtybrd]

Bad MAF, leave it out.

[winston@podi.ca]

When I was running the REVO software I actually tuned my setup to work with the broken check valve. When I put the valve back together and started the car it ran like crap and all of the readings shown on the VAG were off.

Just make sure everything is crack free and clamped down so you don't waste any time getting your setup dialled in. [up]

[A4ringedONE8T]

Bad MAF, leave it out.

x2, run without it for a few days, if everything is fixed by simply unplugging it than its bad. One of the many reasons quite a few of us threw that thing in the garbage long ago

[400HPA4]

You guys are all making assumptions...

[dirtybrd]

I call them guestimations

[winston@podi.ca]

I call them suggestions [:p]

[400HPA4]

Well...Vinny can call me tonight when he gets home from work and we can figure this out...

[dirtybrd]

Keep us posted.

[djs]

I just don't think a inHG would be enough to cause my car to just shut down at idle.

Sounds like driver error. [;)]

[Siggiepop]

Although i'm not gtrs...
i'm running denso for more than 10 months and its never misfired.
but the ones i'm running are IK20 not IK22. [:/] so.. not sure...


I'll be getting some new spark plugs, its between bkr7e's or fr5/6dtc....depending on which one is readily available. I've had experience with the 7e's before, so I'm leaning towards that.

I'm currently running Denso Iridium IK22s... Thats probably my misfire problem right there.

[vinny.dtw]

Hohum...figured out why it didn't start. I had a vacuum leak...a MASSIVE one at that. The intercooler hose popped off not from the throttle body, but the hose after that, and it was hard to see due to the fact that it looked like the top part was connected, but it wasn't. This fixes ONE big problem, spark plugs next.

Word of advice, even if your intercooler hose blows off, your boost gauge will still tell you that you have 20inhg. Thanks Greg for trouble shooting with me for the prelim problems, I have to order my own Vag cable now.

[Maverick]

about plugs, my impressions is FI cars suck ass when running with Iridium plugs(I read that thread comparing 7E and IK27).

I went through several set of plugs, IK27(no good), OEM B5 S4 plugs(no good), 6E(went out in 200 miles), running 7E now, it seems that the car calms down unlike the plugs I used before. I may try the IK27 next summer again, but now I am sticking with 7E.

[B6Lovin]

Hohum...figured out why it didn't start. I had a vacuum leak...a MASSIVE one at that. The intercooler hose popped off not from the throttle body, but the hose after that, and it was hard to see due to the fact that it looked like the top part was connected, but it wasn't. This fixes ONE big problem, spark plugs next.

Word of advice, even if your intercooler hose blows off, your boost gauge will still tell you that you have 20inhg. Thanks Greg for trouble shooting with me for the prelim problems, I have to order my own Vag cable now.

but did you not notice the loss of boost? if your IC hose is disconnected you'd probably not make any boost at all... i know when mine came off (about a million times) i couldn't boost at all.

granted my car didn't stall because of it...

[vinny.dtw]

When I unplugged the MAF. No, I couldn't get into boost.

[romell]

this is exactly why i do not want to do the GTRS BT setup on my daily driver and it sucks when i drive about 100-120 miles a day

[romell]

guess my money is going to go in show than go =) ill get smoked but ill look damn good loosing. =)

[Molotov]

really nothing wrong with BT setups reliability wise. After you first do it, yeah... you'll run into some issues, but that's what doubling your hp does, shows all the weak points. After that it's just doing preventative maintenance and you're all set

[KPC1.8TQuat]

Romell dude, I thought we were going BT together...

[romell]

you know whats it shit like this that makes me thing.. maybe some vmaxx and sway bars and blades and ill be set

[vinny.dtw]

this is exactly why i do not want to do the GTRS BT setup on my daily driver and it sucks when i drive about 100-120 miles a day

Very reason I created this thread, and provide what I'm experiencing. Then again, this is part of modding a car, you are bound to run into problems. To me its actually interesting, because I use this as a learning curve to learn more about my car, and what its capabilities are. There are about 6 BT tiptronic cars, and numerous BT cars running just fine, I wouldn't let a few hickups stop me from doing this. I enjoy it, hence I did it, it isn't for everyone. Plus its nice to say that my car is actually quick, and the thrill of driving it makes it all worth it.

Not only that, there is a plethora of resources here, and many enthusiast here that are willing to help out. Greg was probably on the phone with me for an hour, trying to figure out the Vag Com... Frustrating at times? kind of, but worth it? I think so.

This car is also my daily driver, and my total commute is about 150 miles a day, with 100k miles on a 2004, so this will be the perfect test. But in my opinion, it was worth it and I recommend doing it.

[dougyfresh]

guess my money is going to go in show than go =) ill get smoked but ill look damn good loosing. =)

What are you smoking? (was it Camels? haha)

I thought we discussed GTRS on Friday?

Just wait until we finish Martin's GTRS. He and I are checking and verifying we have everything in place for when we do the work (late winter/early spring I think). All the way down to new vacuum lines. His car will be solid when it leaves my house.


Vinny. Sent you a PM. Let me know if you're game.

[Maverick]

What are you smoking? (was it Camels? haha)

I thought we discussed GTRS on Friday?

Just wait until we finish Martin's GTRS. He and I are checking and verifying we have everything in place for when we do the work (late winter/early spring I think). All the way down to new vacuum lines. His car will be solid when it leaves my house.

doug, what plugs are you running as for now in your car.

[winston@podi.ca]

this is exactly why i do not want to do the GTRS BT setup on my daily driver and it sucks when i drive about 100-120 miles a day

You should skip the GTRS and go BAT and step up to a 3071 instead! [:D]

I drive quite a bit in my BT setup and I don't have any worries about the reliability.

You have to keep in mind that when you double or triple the factory power out of the same engine that it isn't going to be as reliable as stock.

That is if you think our cars in stock form are that reliable to begin with.

[tibanez]

I have a gt28rs turbo, but I guess the exhaust manifold is different from vinny's.

http://photos3.hi5.com/0064/066/730/leoELr066730-02.jpg

By the way, what software or chip do you have. I did Revo on mine. I had the same problem and my car idles and runs without the maf. I am going to out a new MAF in, and then will try to fine tune it with 3rd gear pulls.

Question: so on IDLE, the gauge should read -20 ? what if its a 0 and what creates the vac, the intake manifold?

[Molotov]

idle on cold starts you'll be getting about -15 to -16 and once the cat warm up is done it should be -20 to -22 if you have no leaks.

[dougyfresh]

doug, what plugs are you running as for now in your car.

Bosch F5DPOR platinum plugs. Ran them with my GT28RS and run them with my current set-up.
http://partsdirect.s-cars.org/images/f5dpor.jpg


I think I got a spark blow-out Friday night. Clint claims my coil packs went but the car has been fine and it was a split second misfire after a 2nd gear WOT to redline which went to a 3rd gear WOT to redline. I have done a few pulls since and haven't been able to replicate the instance. VAG-Com says nothing so I'm going to assume its a one-time deal for now. Esp after 500+ miles on the dyno with no problems.

[KPC1.8TQuat]

Why do these plugs in question have such a short life span? Does it have to do with going BT or is it the plugs sacrificing performance for longevity?

[dougyfresh]

The electrode on Copper plugs wear quicker than platinum. Hence the frequent replacement schedule. They do tend to burn better which is why people use them. They are also cheaper so it comes out as a wash.

[vinny.dtw]

Question is how long does the F5DPOR last? and where can i get them. I looked at my local autozone and murrahs, both don't carry them, nor can they even order them... Or whats the difference between these and the FR5DTC that Greg recommends?

Btw thanks Doug for the link, and email. [:)]

[dougyfresh]

Question is how long does the F5DPOR last? and where can i get them. I looked at my local autozone and murrahs, both don't carry them, nor can they even order them... Or whats the difference between these and the FR5DTC that Greg recommends?

Btw thanks Doug for the link, and email. [:)]

The most I have on a set of F5DPORs is 5,000miles. I put a new set in when I built my 2.0l for good measure. They should last as long as any other platinum plug.

The FR5DTC is the copper version of the F5DPOR if I recall correctly. Copper electrode as opposed to the platinum electrode. Also around $5 a plug versus $13-15

You can find F5DPORs at a variety of locations.
sparkplugs.com
autohausaz.com (where I bought mine since I was buying a ton of oil)
034motorsport.com
eurocodetuning.com
autospeed.us
vastperformance.com
etc, etc..



Anytime. Let me know if you run into problems setting that up. Feel free to call for I just did it on Saturday and the info is still fresh in my mind.

[Tgr_Clw]

Question is how long does the F5DPOR last? and where can i get them. I looked at my local autozone and murrahs, both don't carry them, nor can they even order them... Or whats the difference between these and the FR5DTC that Greg recommends?

Btw thanks Doug for the link, and email. [:)]


I also run F5DPOR plugs. The previous set lasted almost two years (55,000 kms or so) although they were not in the best shape when taken out.

[romell]

dougy.. if i do it.. i want to make sure i doo it so perfect that nothing can go wrong. i mean ill get new plugs, new coil packs, a new maf, a new everything. so everything that could fail. will not fail. =)

[dougyfresh]

dougy.. if i do it.. i want to make sure i doo it so perfect that nothing can go wrong. i mean ill get new plugs, new coil packs, a new maf, a new everything. so everything that could fail. will not fail. =)

I know. We'll put a comprehensive plan together. PM me your email and I'll start compiling some stuff and we'll go from there. Word on the street was when I left Fri night everyone stopped dead in their conversations and just listened to the Avant disappear down rt1 as I rowed through 1st, 2nd and 3rd. [>_<]

[AudiA4Turbo22]

Nice man video NOW!!!!!

don't worry i'm not afraid i'm just putting funds together but no worries i can almost assure u i will have one of the fastest B6 tips. and nice kill.

[Maverick]

Cchanging spark plugs in my v6 is a pain, two more cylinders means more time, and how the CP sits in the heads just gives me more trouble. i hate this.
i may try to run Iridium IK27 again when summer comes

[dougyfresh]

Cchanging spark plugs in my v6 is a pain, two more cylinders means more time, and how the CP sits in the heads just gives me more trouble. i hate this.
i may try to run Iridium IK27 again when summer comes

I thought the valve covers were fairly accessible? Just have to move the coolant reservoir and maybe the cover for the airbox. At least thats how the B5 2.8 is. I've never worked on a B6 3.0 yet.

[romell]

Nice man video NOW!!!!!

don't worry i'm not afraid i'm just putting funds together but no worries i can almost assure u i will have one of the fastest B6 tips. and nice kill.

eeeeeeehh:::: wrong. I will.

[romell]

and doug will do I'm kind of mad I did not get to hear your car

[Maverick]

I thought the valve covers were fairly accessible? Just have to move the coolant reservoir and maybe the cover for the airbox. At least thats how the B5 2.8 is. I've never worked on a B6 3.0 yet.

i am going to try a few different plugs that will ive me good results and also can last a little longer.

[Exanimas]

The electrode on Copper plugs wear quicker than platinum. Hence the frequent replacement schedule. They do tend to burn better which is why people use them. They are also cheaper so it comes out as a wash.

You think those plugs would be out of the correct heat range for a Stage 1/Stage 1+ setup? I have coppers in there now, and I don't like the idea of having to change them every 5K.

[vinny.dtw]

Finally my conquest of misfire issues has disappeared. I swapped out the spark plugs from IK22's to BKR7E's since I couldn't source any other ones immediately. And voila! No misfires on full boost! But taking a look from the IK 22's, they didn't seem bad at all imo, here are the pictures of the four plugs.

Plug 1
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_6Z8R3DRztNo/STWRR5IB7nI/AAAAAAAAA9E/js8Z-6JaIPE/s512/IMG_2161.JPG

Plug 2
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_6Z8R3DRztNo/STWRTBLdBFI/AAAAAAAAA9I/aWRGNAi3m00/s720/IMG_2163.JPG

Plug 3
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_6Z8R3DRztNo/STWRVOrQnAI/AAAAAAAAA9M/HK4Oy1PlJGA/s720/IMG_2164.JPG

Plug 4
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_6Z8R3DRztNo/STWRWtEyRWI/AAAAAAAAA9Q/2knPH6EcT3Q/s512/IMG_2165.JPG

To me they seem to be pretty healthy, maybe a tad worn on some, but healthy light brown. Which hopefully means my tune is nice and good as of now. Obviously the vag com cable isn't here yet, to verify. But this was a good relief to me.

So the grille is put back in, I retrofitted the lower S4 bottom to the USP bottom to match the top grille.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_6Z8R3DRztNo/STWRDG9KPPI/AAAAAAAAA9A/SNz2E5kWCds/s720/IMG_2167.JPG

Car is filthy in this Michigan crap.
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_6Z8R3DRztNo/STWQ-dHhGpI/AAAAAAAAA84/lLmomS_93o8/s720/IMG_2166.JPG

Picture of whats to come when summer comes back.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_6Z8R3DRztNo/STWQ72jSS9I/AAAAAAAAA80/0sJndrEMb2U/s720/IMG_2168.JPG

Now the question becomes, this. When I do full boost, and gun it. My traction control light just stays on... Interesting? Wonder if its because the TCU has no idea where all this power is coming from, so it disengages the traction control? We'll have to figure that one out.

Video of car at 80% throttle in one second after it uploads. This one is for you Kirk, I'll take an outside one later. Its too cold.

[Howard Hughes]

Don't you turn it off when you are going to jam on it?.....

I rarely do, so I can't say that's the only way to rock it... but I did put my car into limp mode when I first drove it after the install.

[dougyfresh]

Did you put those plugs in when you installed the GTRS (I can't recall)? Looks like they have some mileage on them so my guess is 'no'.

The correct heat range plugs makes all the difference.

Front end looks nice!

Unless its raining or snowing I turn ESP off. With ESP on and I get on it the ECU will pull timing on me to limit power. With ESP on, in the sleet the other day I got all four tires to loose traction at 2krpm and a heavy foot and summer tires.



You think those plugs would be out of the correct heat range for a Stage 1/Stage 1+ setup? I have coppers in there now, and I don't like the idea of having to change them every 5K.

Not sure off the top of my head. Sorry. I really should know what plugs work well with a 1 or 1+ flash [headbang]

[vinny.dtw]

You think those plugs would be out of the correct heat range for a Stage 1/Stage 1+ setup? I have coppers in there now, and I don't like the idea of having to change them every 5K.


Denso Iridium IK22 works well with apr 1 and 1+, don't need to change them every 5k miles. It was what I had prior to the GTRS setup.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^i wish i read more of the thread i could have told u the iridiums were the problem i had those for 10k on my car and with APR 1+ it developed an odd idle and i would have so much surging while boost was kicking in that i got a CEL a couple times. They aren't the right plugs for these cars. I swapped them with BKR7E's like u and i'm good.

[Exanimas]

Not sure off the top of my head. Sorry. I really should know what plugs work well with a 1 or 1+ flash [headbang]

Haha, well I figured you're a pretty knowledgeable person, so it couldn't have hurt to ask. [:d]



Denso Iridium IK22 works well with apr 1 and 1+, don't need to change them every 5k miles. It was what I had prior to the GTRS setup.

Hmm, maybe I'll try those next and see how they work. I'd rather not be doing a whole bunch of trial/error with plugs that go for ~$15 a pop, but if you said they worked for you, then there's no reason why they shouldn't work for me. Thanks.

[9744RR]

It's good the misfires are gone. The 7e's don't last too long so keep track of the miles or at least until you start getting misfires again. How's the boost issue you had?

[dougyfresh]

Haha, well I figured you're a pretty knowledgeable person, so it couldn't have hurt to ask. [:d]

No problems with asking. I'll admit if I don't know.

We all still learn something every day.

[Maverick]

change the 7e at 3000 miles of use

[vinny.dtw]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfHeORT-7Rk

here you go Kirk

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0064.gif

http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0030.gif

http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/cool/cool0019.gif

why were u pushing the gas and letting go pushing and letting go?

but it hauls assssssss! 0-60 NOWWWWWW!

[A4 Moda]

I 2nd that.

I have been using BKR7Es since I was BT.

No problems at all. Not a single One.

Plus, at 1.79 a plug, who's counting...

[vinny.dtw]

^^http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0064.gif

http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0030.gif

http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/cool/cool0019.gif

why were u pushing the gas and letting go pushing and letting go?

but it hauls assssssss! 0-60 NOWWWWWW!

My sub is all ice, and I was just playing around. Can't really accelerate on ice.

[Exanimas]

No problems with asking. I'll admit if I don't know.

We all still learn something every day.

Ahh, I thought that was kind of a tongue-in-cheek statement, since I know you're a major advocate of skipping Stage 1+ setups and just going to BT. In my case I'm already chipped with APR, so I'll end up having to completely re-buy software if/when I go BT, so I actually just picked up some injectors to hold me over. It isn't like the flash will cost me anything and I can always sell the injectors when I'm done with them (probably recouping 90% of what I paid).

Edit: And on topic, Vinny, I think you just helped my argument for going BT with that video, especially if that was only 80% throttle.

[Siggiepop]

interesting thread Vinny. Thanks for sharing. Probably join the tip BT club in spring or summer.

[turboSpartan]

Vinny - where the hell do you live?

It looks like a winter wonderland around there and I live just south of the Metro Airport and still have green grass!

[dougyfresh]

Ahh, I thought that was kind of a tongue-in-cheek statement, since I know you're a major advocate of skipping Stage 1+ setups and just going to BT. In my case I'm already chipped with APR, so I'll end up having to completely re-buy software if/when I go BT, so I actually just picked up some injectors to hold me over. It isn't like the flash will cost me anything and I can always sell the injectors when I'm done with them (probably recouping 90% of what I paid).

Edit: And on topic, Vinny, I think you just helped my argument for going BT with that video, especially if that was only 80% throttle.


Doesn't mean I should not know what plugs work with a 1 and 1+ set-up.

If you do decide to go BT and decide to go away from APR I suggest finding another ECU to flash and then selling your current ECU with injectors (after having the Immobilizer defeat).




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfHeORT-7Rk

here you go Kirk

Did you turn ESP off a few sec in?
Yeah coffee in the cupholder.

Looks good!

[vinny.dtw]

Doesn't mean I should not know what plugs work with a 1 and 1+ set-up.

If you do decide to go BT and decide to go away from APR I suggest finding another ECU to flash and then selling your current ECU with injectors (after having the Immobilizer defeat).





Did you turn ESP off a few sec in?
Yeah coffee in the cupholder.

Looks good!

No ESP just popped up, it's one of my list of things to find out what the heck happened...

TurboSpartan, I live in Livingston county, about 30 mins west of Novi.

[lookaught]

No ESP just popped up, it's one of my list of things to find out what the heck happened...

TurboSpartan, I live in Livingston county, about 30 mins west of Novi.

Were you getting any wheelspin? It looked pretty damn snowy and/or salty, ESP could come on after loosing traction [confused]

I did a triathlon in Novi a few years ago. I was literally loling when I found out why it is called Novi. Nice area.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Glad that was it!!!!! [up]

[KPC1.8TQuat]

How off were the gaps on the plugs out of the box?

[turboSpartan]

I did a triathlon in Novi a few years ago. I was literally loling when I found out why it is called Novi. Nice area.



Why is it called Novi?


If you are referring to the No. VI (as in # 6 station on a train stop) that is a myth

[dextrek]

Why is it called Novi?


If you are referring to the No. VI (as in # 6 station on a train stop) that is a myth


I work in Novi. Everyone around here thinks No.VI is not a myth. [confused]

BTW, good to see another BT setup for the tip owner. Just another encouragement to save up some dough [>_<]

How much did the whole set up cost?

[vinny.dtw]

Yay on Michigan b6'ers, I thought there were very few, but there seems to be a few on here. The whole setup installed ended up being about 6k.

[romell]

6k including FMIC and COuls and stuff or no.

[mister_tu]

VInny, not sure if you still need a heatshield but I got one of Elliot's laying around and not going to use it, not sure if it will fit but I think you can fab it. If you want it, PM me and I'll send it to you for dirt cheap. Seems like your fortune is turning around already. =)

[turboSpartan]

According to wikipedia, the village of novi was founded before there was ever even a train stop there.


Not calling anyone out... but I remember hearing this before. That doesn't mean wikipedia is wrong though (free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit)

[KPC1.8TQuat]

What about these plugs?

Bosch 3 Electrode Copper Spark Plug (http://www.ecodetuning.com/shop/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=97)

[martini]

man.. i told you it was an air leak when you called me with the car broken down.. and to check the intercooler hoses... then i told you to unplug the maf to get it running... what would you do without me?!

haha

[KPC1.8TQuat]

I start misfiring only when I hit 28-29 PSI. [:D]

You are boosting 29 PSI on your TIP?

[dextrek]

what do y'all think about APR BT setup? Anyone got any experience on APR setup? Also, I chekced their website and they don't have one for Tiptronics. Know anyone Tip owners with an APR setup?

[KPC1.8TQuat]

what do y'all think about APR BT setup? Anyone got any experience on APR setup? Also, I chekced their website and they don't have one for Tiptronics. Know anyone Tip owners with an APR setup?

I don't know anyone with a TIP running APR 3+. From what I've read here, the APR 3+ kit is amazing. It's bulletproof tuning and great power equal to that of the best Revo kits. It's easily the most expensive stage 3 kit, but remember you get what you pay for.

You could always call and ask if they would install it on a TIP. I bet they would. I would love to see someone with a TIP go APR 3+. That would be killer.

[vinny.dtw]

man.. i told you it was an air leak when you called me with the car broken down.. and to check the intercooler hoses... then i told you to unplug the maf to get it running... what would you do without me?!

haha

I don't know what I'd do. Want a cookie? LOL, I still need to vag com the car, or at least learn how to, and do some logs. Once everything is squared away, I'm going to go for a tiptronic chip, and head over to the dyno to see what I put down, and adjust accordingly. Goal is 250whp, and if i can crank more, I might consider the torque converter upgrade, just for safety sake. But so far the car feels pretty good. My friends think it doesn't feel all that fast. I want to race his Mustang GT...


APR never recommended their stage 3 kit to any tiptronics. The only thing I'd be interested in their kit would be their manifold, and possibly the HFC. But I wouldn't bother paying such a premium.

[A4 Moda]

How about another wrench in the engine we call Over-Inundation over the information superhighway:

Side-Gapping a spark plug anyone?

I've not personally tried it, but I "may" if I get bored. My plugs as I mentioned are 1.79 a piece, so i wouldn't be losing much.

Just a thought...

[AudiA4Turbo22]

APR 3+ is over priced but a good kit, but nowadays APR's products suck.

RLB6 runs 28-29 PSI on his GT71R eliminator kit and has 280whp.

[dougyfresh]

APR 3+ is over priced but a good kit, but nowadays APR's products suck.

RLB6 runs 28-29 PSI on his GT71R eliminator kit and has 280whp.

How is it overpriced?

[KPC1.8TQuat]

RLB6 runs 28-29 PSI on his GT71R eliminator kit and has 280whp.

Did he have his TC upgraded?

Also I was wondering how the TIP adapts to all this extra torque. Does it suffer from the same gear hunting problems that all the 1+ guys have?

[RLB6]

APR 3+ is over priced but a good kit, but nowadays APR's products suck.

RLB6 runs 28-29 PSI on his GT71R eliminator kit and has 280whp.

Whoa..that info is not accurate or the combination is not accurate. I run about 22-23 PSI normally and make more than 280 whp. Lately, I've been running 28-29 PSI here and there for shits and grins and with the weather being inthe 40s. Those runs I plan to log very soon to see how timing looks.

BTW, fuel is not an issue at 28-29 PSI.

[RLB6]

Did he have his TC upgraded?

Also I was wondering how the TIP adapts to all this extra torque. Does it suffer from the same gear hunting problems that all the 1+ guys have?

TC is upgraded and the tranny handles the power just fine - as if I were still stock.

[vinny.dtw]

Why don't you just tell us what whp you are putting down right now...

[martini]

when/where are you going to dyno? my cars just got up and running again ... i may be interested

[KPC1.8TQuat]

I run about 22-23 PSI normally and make more than 280 whp.

Prove it dude. I'm ordering my 71r elim kit with all the toys very soon, I sure would like to feel confident I'm going to put down that kind of power. What other mods are you running to be making over 280 whp on a TIP?!

[vinny.dtw]

when/where are you going to dyno? my cars just got up and running again ... i may be interested

Ill call you when I get the schedule? Wanna go together? so we can go back to back and compare some numbers? I know another GTRS kit owner with a manual too...so thats 3 cars :) in comparo.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

Whoa..that info is not accurate or the combination is not accurate. I run about 22-23 PSI normally and make more than 280 whp. Lately, I've been running 28-29 PSI here and there for shits and grins and with the weather being inthe 40s. Those runs I plan to log very soon to see how timing looks.

BTW, fuel is not an issue at 28-29 PSI.

how much whp @ 23psi?

[400HPA4]

REVO/71R Eliminator Powered Tiptronic
| ??? AWHP - ??? FT-LBS |
Let's just say I'm in a certain "coveted" AWHP Club

Read the sig

[Maverick]

Once everything is squared away, I'm going to go for a tiptronic chip.

Vince, where the hell are you gonna get the Tiptronic chip?

what do you benefit from this particular chip? does it change the program for sure?

[KPC1.8TQuat]

Read the sig

I don't know dude. 300 awhp on a TIP is pretty impressive. Especially since he hasn't admitted to meth/injection or whatever other mods he is running.

I'm piecing together my 71r elim right now and I'm not expecting 300 awhp out of my TIP.

[dougyfresh]

Ill call you when I get the schedule? Wanna go together? so we can go back to back and compare some numbers? I know another GTRS kit owner with a manual too...so thats 3 cars :) in comparo.

That would be awesome!

Please do.



Have you had time to log the car? How is everything running?

[romell]

ok.. vinny you boosted my spirits a little bit... eh.. im getting all the parts together.. for other stuff so lets see how it goes.

i just got the doorblades, going to get the Vmaxx coils, buy ANOTHER Rs4 sway bar (for the 4th time!) yeah things like the itnercooler and what not to get all the stuff ready. for the turbo.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

wow my funds are rising can't wait after Christmas it's on!

[vinny.dtw]

That would be awesome!

Please do.



Have you had time to log the car? How is everything running?

VAGina com just came in today. I'm going to set up the dyno day with me, Manny (GT28RS) which has John (Condo's) old setup, and Ryan Martinis APR stage 3+...Should be a pretty good comparison. Car runs pretty good, I'm having a blast blowing by minivans. [:D]

[AudiA4Turbo22]

VAGina

??

[vinny.dtw]

VAG com = VAGina com, as in the code scanner and logger. Any particular blocks I should log?


Vince, where the hell are you gonna get the Tiptronic chip?

what do you benefit from this particular chip? does it change the program for sure?

I'll let you know how it goes Max. I don't want to get anyones hopes up yet. But supposively it should speed up the gear changes, and eliminate the stupid gear hunting. Which I am not experiencing right now for some odd reason?

I just scanned the car, and i got one code back. And that is the MAF upper limited exceeded. I guess my MAF doesn't know whats going on, and I'm pushing more air in there then the MAF expected.. [:)]

[romell]

I guess my MAF doesn't know whats going on, and I'm pushing more air in there then the MAF expected.. [:)]

im like imaging a dude sitting there seeing that code.. and like.. haha.. pooor little maf..

[romell]

i need to buy a vag Com BADLY! where can i get one (software and cable and all)

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^ross-tech.com u noob haha

[romell]

shut up post whore.

its 845 and you are already on audizine... looooser. .

( i was on at 845 as well so its ok =) )

yeah but which do i order i have a 2005 b6, and they have like 245324 different choices.. and if im not mistaken its 399 for a damn cable?!?

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^actually i think it's a hundred bucks and i wake up at like 7 so ya.

[KPC1.8TQuat]

Can't wait to see what the GTRS is putting down Vinny. What are you boosting?

[vinny.dtw]

HEre is the log of a WOT...Anyone want to chime in, as I'm not sure what are the parameters I'm suppose to be in...

http://motorcityaudi.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/Picture_1%7E0.png

[widgget]

This is the cable you want. $249- (cable & software license - includes free software updates)

http://www.ross-tech.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=VCKII&Category_Code=IC

one of the best tools you can get for your car, well worth the price.

[dougyfresh]

VAGina com just came in today. I'm going to set up the dyno day with me, Manny (GT28RS) which has John (Condo's) old setup, and Ryan Martinis APR stage 3+...Should be a pretty good comparison. Car runs pretty good, I'm having a blast blowing by minivans. [:D]

Haha. Yeah, I pronounce it that way too. I thought John's old setup was a GTRS? IE: Jordan's old set-up.. Passed around like __________

It works! Sweet. What boost and timing settings are you on (SPS3)? T5? B??


How do you guys log with a TIP? Recalling how my friend's '04 Avant TIP works I think you can lock it in gear, correct? ie: "Sport Mode"

Try that. Get it in 3rd gear in Sport Mode and hold the gas pedal down ('load' column in channel 003 should be 100% then.. ie: WOT). Channel 002, 031, 003, 020, 115 are good channels to log. Its hard to depict what is going on in your log because its shifting gears on you. Time stamp 5.04 through 8.63 looks like a pull in one gear. Timing looks about right for REVO if my memory serves me correct.

Info on channels: http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/m_blocks/





Romell. PM on its way to you.

[vinny.dtw]

ahh, ic, I was shifting because I thought i was suppose to log full throttle all through my gears. I'll redo it again. thanks Doug.

You might get a call from me with some questions.

Vince

[9744RR]

Put it in Tip mode and log a 3rd gear run. If 3rd gear you too far over the speedlimit, log in 2nd gear WOT to redline. From what you have so far it looks like you can still turn up hte boost and timing since the outside temps this time of year is really low.

[dougyfresh]

/\
I log my car in 2nd gear (2.8 trans) unless I'm on the freeway. Even broke my motor in while driving around town in 2nd gear. 3rd gear wound up on the streets in my town is well over 100mph. Not good when the speed limit is 35mph and I live in a pseudo urban/suburban town. Even if it is 1am...

Vince, call whenever. I'm around.

[Maverick]

I'll let you know how it goes Max. I don't want to get anyones hopes up yet. But supposively it should speed up the gear changes, and eliminate the stupid gear hunting. Which I am not experiencing right now for some odd reason?


you need to let me know.
the problem with TIP is, the gear shifts slower so you experience some kind of boost lag. boost is there but the gear is not yet.
although I upgraded my TC and VB, i am not 100% with how it shifts, it's faster up and down- shifts, but it's still not as fast as I want.
maybe a chip can help.

anyone who is going to EPL's dyno day, what time are you guys plan to get there?
I plan to be there at 8am tomorrow. hope to get an early bird chance(i didn't sign up for it)

[vinny.dtw]

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pFF1twhpfcq9aiQtEfb48MQ

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pFF1twhpfcq_31WMWRmSWSA

Two more right here. Please chime in, and curious as to how you read these graphs. I looged 031, 116, and 003. Thanks guys.

[9744RR]

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pFF1twhpfcq9aiQtEfb48MQ

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pFF1twhpfcq_31WMWRmSWSA

Two more right here. Please chime in, and curious as to how you read these graphs. I looged 031, 116, and 003. Thanks guys.

Turn up your timing w/SPS until you get some CF's of 3-5. Waat are you boosting?

[vinny.dtw]

Timing 5, boost 7

Spike about 22-23, hold 20-21. Its currently 28 degrees out.


What is CF's?

[dougyfresh]

Turn up your timing w/SPS until you get some CF's of 3-5. Waat are you boosting?

Block 116 is not timing correction. We do not know how much the ECU is correcting timing based on his logs (need block 020 --> knock control for that). Judging by the actual timing curve I'm willing to bet no correcting is being done. Esp since its very cold outside right now.




Vinny,
[i have not looked at those spreadsheets. can't get there from work. will look later tonight after I'm done logging my car. brain is fried. leaving work to go get some food and dial my car in on 110oct fuel [:)] ]

Why are you logging block 116? Block 115 is requested -vs- actual boost (important if you're adjusting via SPS3)

'CF's = correction factors. It is the amount of timing advance the ECU is pulling from the desired timing advance curve (timing advance -vs- rpm). This is stored in block 020. The values are actual 'degrees before top dead center' or degrees BTDC. The most the ECu can pull is around 10-12deg if I recall correctly. Running up in the 4s is safe (depending on whom you speak to) if you net a higher actual timing curve whilst doing that. Running zeros is the safest and most conservative.

Block 003 will provide you with RPM, MAF air mass (g/sec), throttle position, and actual ignition angle (timing advance)


Keep in mind any of these changes are weather dependent (ie: inlet temperatures of the engine... aka: ambient air temps). What may work now in the dead of winter will not work in the summer.

[9744RR]

My bad ^^^you're right, I read the spread sheet wrong.

Log block 020 and timing at the same time. Do T5, then T6 up to T7 and log and check the CF's everytime you make an adjustment. I think you may be able to go up to T7 with the below freezing temps outside with CF's between 3 to5.

[vinny.dtw]

I just got scared shitless. I blew another intercooler hose again...and thought I blew my turbo by over reving. Since when I unplugged my MAF to drive home, I heard a dentist drill noise, but when I went home and fixed the popped hose, it was fine.


So two things, how do you prevent all these hoses from popping off? Minus the applying hair spray and such? And how do I know if I perhaps damaged my turbo?...Now I'm freaking out...

[winston@podi.ca]

Have someone weld a bead on the lip of the pipe so when you tighten the clamp over the hose it will grab behind the bead.

Increasing the length of the hose so it makes it really hard to pop off helps too.

[tibanez]

I need a new maf sensor to place 3" billet housing. Does it matter which one get? Is there a better one, kinda like the different coils? It for use with a gt28rs turbo.

[Redgoat]

Read this and it should help you understand a lot about logging etc. :) Hope it helps!!

http://www.revotechnik.com/products/pdf/SPS3_advancedUserGuide_V2.3.pdf

[vinny.dtw]

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pFF1twhpfcq-iTISFwbX3LQ

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pFF1twhpfcq_n0MuiBLW8RQ

Few new logs. From the readings, it seems everything is fine. But not quite sure. Anybody want to chime in?

[AudiA4Turbo22]

3071R tiptronic? maybe me haha.

[widgget]

I just got scared shitless. I blew another intercooler hose again...and thought I blew my turbo by over reving. Since when I unplugged my MAF to drive home, I heard a dentist drill noise, but when I went home and fixed the popped hose, it was fine.


So two things, how do you prevent all these hoses from popping off? Minus the applying hair spray and such? And how do I know if I perhaps damaged my turbo?...Now I'm freaking out...

I put a little gorilla glue on all the joints, been holding better then before.

[vinny.dtw]

^^But if i take it off with gorilla clue. Probably not good. Bump for the logs post. Me and Mike are finding something different about it. Lets see if some of you can see what it is.

[KPC1.8TQuat]

3071R tiptronic?

KAPOWIE!

[vinny.dtw]

New logs

B8 T5.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pFF1twhpfcq95TiocdzYqHw

discuss.

[Maverick]

did you find out about the software for the tip?

[KPC1.8TQuat]

did you find out about the software for the tip?

X2 [up]

Oh, Maverick, you mentioned in a wicked old post something about another shop that will do a TC upgrade for our tips? Somewhere closer to us?

[Maverick]

yes, 517 transmission.

the guy there, Sam, he left crappy Level 10 to work at 517.

they can use home depot parts for tranny upgrades as long as the parts work, but Level 10 has cut too many corners.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^what who's using home depot parts on trannies? 517 or Level 10? and how much for a TC job at ur shop?

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Use T-bolt clamps on your pipes and crank them down tight and it wont come off. One of my pipes doesnt have a beed and it has never popped off.

And no you didnt screw up anything by blowing off a pipe.

[Maverick]

^^what who's using home depot parts on trannies? 517 or Level 10? and how much for a TC job at ur shop?

level 10. I did the TC and VB job all together. which is over $1000.

what you guys can do is, send me all the Torque Converters and VBs, and I will send them to 517 and do it as a GB price. or you guys can talk to him yourself.

[dougyfresh]

New logs

B8 T5.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pFF1twhpfcq95TiocdzYqHw

discuss.

damn it. that label made me click on it but i was disappointed [:(]


hahaha



Block 020 does no good without the actual timing curve (resides in 003 and others).

You are hitting your requested boost by 4000rpm but as the tach increases your boost climbs relative to requested. Why is B8 requested so little boost? Does anyone know a rough rule of thumb for SPS settings? IE: what should the file be requesting for B8? I know B9 should be 2540mbar.

[400HPA4]

His wastegate is probably sitting on 9psi and it takes 100% duty to try to acheive target boost.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

level 10. I did the TC and VB job all together. which is over $1000.

what you guys can do is, send me all the Torque Converters and VBs, and I will send them to 517 and do it as a GB price. or you guys can talk to him yourself.

would u mind asking how much he's charge for just a TQ

[vinny.dtw]

did you find out about the software for the tip?

Going sometime next week to start it. I wanted to fix my problems with the car prior to going in.

[KPC1.8TQuat]

Going sometime next week to start it. I wanted to fix my problems with the car prior to going in.

You found a place other than Dhalback that does a Tip chip?

[AudiA4Turbo22]

damn it Vinny give us some details about this freakin tip chip!!!!

[vinny.dtw]

I just don't want to give anyone hopes, or give them any free PR prior to me knowing its worth it.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^when are u in Cali next? wait r u in Vegas?

[Maverick]

would u mind asking how much he's charge for just a TQ

I really don't know. and I can't find his number at this moment now.
the reason I did both the TC and VB is i dont want to burn up my TC because the Vb is stock and it will delay the shift.

[vinny.dtw]

I'm in Michigan....

[KPC1.8TQuat]

I really don't know. and I can't find his number at this moment now.
the reason I did both the TC and VB is i dont want to burn up my TC because the Vb is stock and it will delay the shift.

So, hypothetically, what kind of power could your tranny handle now? Did he give an estimate?

[bclemons]

Hi guys
vinny.dtw. I just finished my GTRS kit. I live in Brighton,Mi. and have been working with VAST Performance in Ferndale. They are working on a Tip chip for me and want to get another person to help defray the costs of getting the chip decoded to english from germany. They are talking about $500 for the chip. They will also remove the torque converter and have it reworked if you want. They have been great. They do a lot of custom tunes. PM me if you want some more info. By the way, I'm running 16psi right now and will be going to 20+ in the spring after I change to a 3" MAF. The car has great power now and should be a rocket this spring. No codes, no problems.

[vinny.dtw]

Funny, I live in Brighton too. And I've been talking to Prince. You have PM, and I'm looking forward to meet you!

Vince

[bclemons]

I'll call you this evening. I will be out of town tomorrow through Thursday. I'll try to meet you after that. If you have seen a black A4 with a full Reiger kit around town that's me.
Hope to see you soon
Barron

[vinny.dtw]

Just a quick review since me and Baron met up, (which btw was nice to meet you, and I hope you are having fun skiing). But lets get down to business,

Vast Performance vs. Revo.

After we both drove our cars back to back, we both found our cars nearly identical in terms of speed. The Vast B6 seemed to pull a little better on the low end, however it does have a 3 inch testpipe/downpipe/exhaust setup, while the revo car has a 3 inch to 2.5 inch testpipe/stock downpipe/2.5 inch magnaflow exhaust. Could be the reason why since the turbo has better spool time.

The interesting thing now is, I am (Revo) currently at 18psi B7 T5. While Barons, (vast) is only on 16psi? Now this isn't exactly verified by logs, and was only told to Baron by Vast performance. So were not sure since he didn't have a boost gauge, (not that I trust those things anymore anyways). The vast car though, will be going in for a larger maf, retune, so we'll see how things turns out.

So for the people that are interested in a GTRS kit, there is yet another option for you guys. Not that there aren't enough already...PM me for more info about vast if you are interested in some feedback about that shop.


And a miniature update, the car is running fine. 6k miles later, car is running fine as my daily driver. No intercooler hoses popping, no misfires, and everything seems operational. The only thing may I suggest prior to install is to make sure your wastegate on your turbo is tuned. Other then that, keep your ear up, keep up with maint, and this should still run pretty well for a while.


Vince

[KPC1.8TQuat]

See, just when I decided to go back to k04, I read a thread like this one...

That's great news Vinn, good work.

[dougyfresh]

See, just when I decided to go back to k04, I read a thread like this one...


hahaha [evilsmile]

It always happens.

[RLB6]

the reason I did both the TC and VB is i dont want to burn up my TC because the Vb is stock and it will delay the shift.

What does the valve body have to do with the torque converter [confused]

[dougyfresh]

Vince sent me some logs on Wednesday. I guess he thought I should spend my birthday looking at logs from his car. [:/]

Here they are.
Looks like its running safe.

log 1
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3443/3317362571_85224ed4a0_o.png
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3575/3318157852_d6c0a26d0a_o.png
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3637/3318157886_7736f28019_o.png

boost converted to PSI
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3453/3318157918_824b8060c8_o.png


log 2
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3350/3318157992_12963bf0f1_o.png
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3301/3318157936_e425e6f69a_o.png
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3384/3318188006_e3d4a513b1_o.png
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3627/3318158060_12a6d268e9_o.png

boost converted to PSI
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3323/3317332559_130ca01b6a_o.png

[lookaught]

Doug is there a template or anything in Excel to use to create those graphs from the data logs? Im just getting ready for all the glorious data logging that will consume my free time in April.

So IIRC you can only log three blocks at once, so these were multiple pulls to gather all the data:

CF
A/F
Boost Actual
Boost Requested (are these together in one block?)
MAF
Timing advance

So that's either five or six different blocks to measure = 2 separate 3rd gear pulls: Are these two sets of blocks the "standard" ones that are run, one then the other?

How did the second log capture 4 parameters (MAF, Timing advance, CF, Boost)? Is the timing advance and CF together in one block?

Im such a logging n00b. sigh. Gotta learn sometime!

[vinny.dtw]

They are all different channels. channel 003 maps ign timing, and maf flow.

But beside the point. Some interesting things i've been obvserving. I turned up timing to timing 7, boost 8. A/F is still spot on, and 0 CF...in few third gear pulls in temps about 40's.

Ive been talking to Ray about my setup, and there seems to be a few things I need to change to maximize what I have. So i'll update when all those things get updated. I.E, coilpacks, plugs, and O2 sensor.

[dougyfresh]

Doug is there a template or anything in Excel to use to create those graphs from the data logs? Im just getting ready for all the glorious data logging that will consume my free time in April.

So IIRC you can only log three blocks at once, so these were multiple pulls to gather all the data:

CF
A/F
Boost Actual
Boost Requested (are these together in one block?)
MAF
Timing advance

So that's either five or six different blocks to measure = 2 separate 3rd gear pulls: Are these two sets of blocks the "standard" ones that are run, one then the other?

How did the second log capture 4 parameters (MAF, Timing advance, CF, Boost)? Is the timing advance and CF together in one block?

Im such a logging n00b. sigh. Gotta learn sometime!

Template? No. I made that up real quick for Vince. Guess I could make a template but each VAG-Com log will be in different categories (columns) depending on what was selected. Kind of hard to make a 'template'. I just made consistent plots (fonts, sizes, colors, etc..) since I'm so used to doing that here at work.

I did convert MBAR to PSI after subtracting ambient to get those curves. And then if you log injector on-time there is a calculation you can add in another column to calculate fuel injector duty cycle.

This is a good explanation of what each block in the Engine controller is: http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/m_blocks/

I would recommend logging no more than 2 channels to maximize the number of points collected. The more channels you log the less amount of data points you collect.



They are all different channels. channel 003 maps ign timing, and maf flow.

But beside the point. Some interesting things i've been obvserving. I turned up timing to timing 7, boost 8. A/F is still spot on, and 0 CF...in few third gear pulls in temps about 40's.

Ive been talking to Ray about my setup, and there seems to be a few things I need to change to maximize what I have. So i'll update when all those things get updated. I.E, coilpacks, plugs, and O2 sensor.

Like what Vince? Shoot me an email or reply to this thread or PM. Oh yeah. We can take a look (and a do a few logs) at your car when you're here for DOD.

[vinny.dtw]

http://http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pFF1twhpfcq8D4OiuLnfaDw

B8 T7. 40ish degree temperature. 3rd gear pull on sunocco 94

[RLB6]

You mean this link Vince:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pFF1twhpfcq8D4OiuLnfaDw

Logs look very good to me.

[AudiA4_20T]

thats as safe as you can get. That timing curve gets demolished after 3500

[vinny.dtw]

what do you mean demolished? I'm still a newb here.

[9744RR]

Not much timing advance after 3500 rpm with REVO that's why some guys tweek w/Lemmi to bump up the timing accross the board. Since you have 94 oct, try t8 and log again to see if you have any CF's.

[RLB6]

^^ I would just run timing 6, running about 20-22 PSI of boost. That would be a "set it and forget it" tune for all year 'round. Granted, bumping the timing in the colder days would most likely yield more power but then you'll have to adjust every time as the ambient temps rise significantly.

[9744RR]

C'mon RL, give him a chance to feel some power on his GTRS at t8 and 94 oct[:D]. T6 is the setting I use year round. For Vinny he can try it, see how it feels and it will give him an idea of how his car runs in different conditions and w/ different settings. It just takes a few seconds to adjust a SPS3.

[vinny.dtw]

Honestly, I can feel a very small difference from T5 to t7...

[SleeperAvant]

Hey Vinny, do you plan on making any in-car videos of how your car behaves with GTRS and tiptronic?

[vinny.dtw]

^^ What do you want to see? I drive 100% in tit-tronic mode.

[alexza4]

nice read, this thread.
great job vinny! i've been contemplating going GTRS for a while now, as to be honest i'm not overly happy with the K04 performance on my car... not sure though if my EVOMS FMIC will be OK for the GTRS though...
Josh (mtbrider), if you're reading this thread, didn't you run your EVOMS with GTRS or was it GT28r?

So how are you pretty happy overall, how is your TIP handling the GTRS?
Also, how do you like you K&N intake?

[vinny.dtw]

K&N intake is fine. Tip is doing alright, but I'm not putting down the power to worry about it yet.

Few updates since the last dyno.

Boost leak should be fixed, and I'm hitting 20-21 psi daily on timing 6? Changed the copper BKR7e's to IK24's since I began getting misfires. However, I regapped the BKR7e's to about .026 and it fixed the misfire issues...and the plugs looked healthy. But I still swapped to the IK24's anyways since I had nearly 7k miles on the coppers.

Tiptronic is still handling the power fine, but as I mentioned I'm not yielding enough power to warrant a TQ convertor and a valvebody. Vast performance is still working on that tip chip.

My next temptation is race gas...I want to see how this thing holds on T9/B9.

[dougyfresh]

what do you mean demolished? I'm still a newb here.

Clint means the timing curve does not creep back up after you get into boost. It will dive when you get into boost. You can't run 20deg of timing when full boost comes in. You'll break engine parts. Once boost is in these cars can run more timing advance (commonly referred to as 'up top'). That's in the upper RPM band going towards redline. Even your timing curves I posted earlier on this page show the same thing. That's just how REVO writes their files. Good for daily usage.


Clint... You can't run more than around 5deg of timing when boost comes in (3500-4000rpm). NO way. NO how with a stock motor. Not even with a built motor like mine. Its just not safe on any level.

My timing curve is aggressive but we don't go much over 5deg when boost comes in (on pump gas... 93 or 94oct). Once boost is in though we climb like a mofo.
see example:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3172/3090445387_526e76eedd_o.jpg
The base was, effectively, what my 93oct timing curve was at the time (my files were tweaked after I ran this study). The plus 8.25 is what I ran with 110oct race gas in the tank. This study was to figure out how much I could add via lemmi with 110oct in the tank and using my 93oct file. I did not have my 109oct file on my ECU at the time so I had to do this study.

[vinny.dtw]

I wish you lived close Doug, I'm sure we'd be able to diagnose and figure my car out a lot better. Either I'm use to the car, or its just plain slow...

[dougyfresh]

Gotta get your car out here. Perhaps around Waterfest time? I'm planning on attending WF so if you're out here around then we can check your car out.

[vinny.dtw]

Gotta get your car out here. Perhaps around Waterfest time? I'm planning on attending WF so if you're out here around then we can check your car out.

I'll prob attend waterfest. But thas so far away! If I don't get this shizzle figured out by then...well, I probably will have a different car...

haha

[RLB6]

But I still swapped to the IK24's anyways since I had nearly 7k miles on the coppers.

I just recently swapped to IK24's myself. My car definitely loves them more than the NGK 7E's, especially at 25 PSI [:D]



My next temptation is race gas...I want to see how this thing holds on T9/B9.

If you plan to run race gas, I suggest bumping up the timing via Lemmiwinks in addition to setting T9. T9 will not be enough.

[vinny.dtw]

I just recently swapped to IK24's myself. My car definitely loves them more than the NGK 7E's, especially at 25 PSI [:D]



If you plan to run race gas, I suggest bumping up the timing via Lemmiwinks in addition to setting T9. T9 will not be enough.

By theory, I should of met the limits of the tiptronic...BUT i haven't...lol who knows if even race gas would.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

so RLB6 and Vinny what would u say ur 0-60s are on a good day with 91/93 with a car running real strong

[dubgli]

this thread is so inspirational.. so can anyone help me out? i'm doing this gtrs install right now. what kind of power will i run if i leave my stock cat on? i'll have all other mods including manifold and fmic, ect.. if i can hit atleast 250hp, then i want to leave it off because it's not street legal.. and the HFC are too expensive.. any help on this would be appreciated..

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^if ur a tiptronic then 250 crank HP should be possible, but wheel good luck.

[dubgli]

^^if ur a tiptronic then 250 crank HP should be possible, but wheel good luck.

ive got a 6spd mt.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^wrong thread then search Big turbo

[dubgli]

^^wrong thread then search Big turbo

oh.. i didn't know the GTRS kit was different for CVT and 6speed manual. What's different? the manifold? the turbo? the injectors? the test pipe? I'm just curious. so far from what i've read in the thread, this seems to be the same exact setup as mine. I would search BT, but I'm more interested specifically in the GTRS installs because my kit is the GTRS turbo kit and I have posted on the other GTRS thread. Hmm, that's odd, i never knew that. I'll call atp/eurocode this afternoon and make sure I got the 6speed GTRS and not the CVT one. Thanks AudiA4Turbo22. .

[xSilent13x]

^^if ur a tiptronic then 250 crank HP should be possible, but wheel good luck.

With an upgraded TC and VB what do you think I can push it to? I'm looking to be 300whp. I just want to be the one amongst my friends that has the balls to push the tiptronic to the edge (before killing the tranny of course). Ballpark how much you think is to do these upgrades? Parts = $? Labor = $? Or is it a reasonable DIY?

[RLB6]

I'm looking to be 300whp. I just want to be the one amongst my friends that has the balls to push the tiptronic to the edge (before killing the tranny of course).

pushing 300whp on a tiptronic has already been done [;)] and that is not the "edge" for a tiptronic. You've got a good bit more to go before that happens.

[xSilent13x]

pushing 300whp on a tiptronic has already been done [;)] and that is not the "edge" for a tiptronic. You've got a good bit more to go before that happens.

So whats the power that the tippy can take? If I can pull off 350-400whp (with aftermarket engine internals of course) on a stock tippy would be great! I'm just trying to avoid touching the trans until its necessary. [:p]