jhm 1/4 mile and et

[team_soy]

i am curious why no one has been able to get close to jhm's et and trap?

[AudiA4_20T]

i am curious why no one has been able to get close to jhm's et and trap?

Because he has access to his own tuning, as well as $1000s of parts from germany

[S4 in_lowplaces]

Bahhh I think there are those that have done it or gone even further but they just dont post about it.

[generationjdm]

the parts helped a LITTLE BIT, but thats not completely why at all

[317ssayzarc]

he flatshifts and bangs the fuck outta those gears, thats why... plus he runs a custom race gas tune

[AudiA4_20T]

its all tuning

[S4tranquility]

He runs a very aggressive high boost race file at the drag strip. That I think is the biggest reason for the high trap speed.

[BITRBO]

I think it's because of all of the above, and that he's been modding/tweaking/racing/modding/tweaking/racing his car (and other B5 S4's) for several years now... I'm sure all those RS4 parts helped more than some would like to think, but yes: his custom tunning/tweaking probably does the most good. Keep in mind, those recent low-11 times were full-weight.

Oh, and he definitely knows how to row like a mofo!

p.s. hats off to both he and Bertworks for pushing the platform like no others. I know they like to stay off the forums due to all the b.s., and just post with actual results. keep on truckin' boys!

[team_soy]

really all tuning?

explain how on "marcs tune" the best trap i have seen is at 122..8 mph difference is alot to make up...rs4 intake parts and a different tune wont change that 8mph diff

[rouellettea4]

I believe there are some higher traps out there on Marc's kit than 122, I believe by marc himself. Could be wrong, I think somewhere around 125. ET not to match though, I could be mistaken.

[team_soy]

full interior?

i call bs unless you prove me other wise.

[Matt@JHM]

For those who have not seen it, here is our "No-Cut" video of one of the 11.1 passes.

http://jhmtuning.com/videos/onecut.wmv

[BITRBO]

full interior?

i call bs unless you prove me other wise.


For those who have not seen it, here is our "No-Cut" video of one of the 11.1 passes.

http://jhmtuning.com/videos/onecut.wmv

Yeah man. why do you think Jay would lie about something like that? I've seen the video before this one, where the camera man films the interior right as he comes back from his run... I'm sure Jay knew there would be doubters and purposely put that in the video.

Jay is a respected and honerable business owner, so if this was found out to be a hoax, his name (and possibly his livelyhood) could be jeopardized... I swear, why can't people just give credit where it's due once and a while. [>_>]

[generationjdm]

Maybe full interior but there was weight shaved off the car in other places which is fine. Why hasn't Jay ran the car since then/a year ago, prior to that he was running the car a lot and was posting logs, Now no more runs and no logs after that run?

[Das General]

I think, aside from the Volk wheels, Stoptech brakes, no cat-back...he ran a completely full interior, almost full weight car.

Props to him.

But, I too am curious as to why he hasn't ran his car this season.

[S-Power]

Maybe full interior but there was weight shaved off the car in other places which is fine. Why hasn't Jay ran the car since then/a year ago, prior to that he was running the car a lot and was posting logs, Now no more runs and no logs after that run?

Jay, Is a busy man dude he always has to work and sometimes works on saturday's to get stuff down, his business is going better for him then it was a year ago like you said.

[AAAA]

keep in mind, as someone said, he runs a high boost custom race gas file. he's not afraid of blowing it up by any means, so he runs it with that in mind. marc's tune and others don't run the car to the limits that it may blow up b/c most of us want our cars running. jay can just rebuild it if it blows up, so the efficiency's the limit

[generationjdm]

I think, aside from the Volk wheels, Stoptech brakes, no cat-back...he ran a completely full interior, almost full weight car.

Props to him.

But, I too am curious as to why he hasn't ran his car this season.you forgot the carbon fiber parts, light weight battery, electric fan etc dont no if theres air or not[;)]

[Das General]

you forgot the carbon fiber parts also [;)]


oh yes! CF hood.

[500HPS5]

Maybe full interior but there was weight shaved off the car in other places which is fine. Why hasn't Jay ran the car since then/a year ago, prior to that he was running the car a lot and was posting logs, Now no more runs and no logs after that run?

Jason is a college professor and has a commitment to teach night classes on Wednesday and Friday nights.

We hit him up to go to the track all the time but unfortunately he juat has far to many commitments right now.

I can testify to the fact that the car runs the times that it does, and the videos are not smoke and mirrors.

SacRaceway has a digital scale now, I am pretty sire the next time he goes out he will be able to add in a shot of the scale to those who doubt.

Jason is a great driver and his car DEFINITELY does not make as much power as many one here, what is incrdible about it is that the power is very consitent and the motor holds up to plenty of abuse...I have been there with him when he did something like 16 or 17 passes in one night...there were at least four in a row where he did not even stop (hotlapped) right back into the staging lane to go at it again...

[generationjdm]

oh yes! CF hood.just the hood?

[Das General]

Jay, doing big things. I had no idea he was a prof.

And, yeah Shawn, I believe he has just a CF hood.

[Matt@JHM]

you forgot the carbon fiber parts, light weight battery, electric fan etc dont no if theres air or not[;)]

Stock battery. [>_<]

Thanks for the kind words all. As you may have seen, Jason is putting a lot of time in his business and is why we don't hit the track as much as we used to. Personally I think he feels he has proven the point with his tuning and his car.

It's still 80s at night here in California so we are also waiting for cooler weather. PinoyS4 is going to be representing JHM hard this fall, we'll see if he beats Jay's time [;)]

[Unispeed]

Stock battery. [>_<]

Thanks for the kind words all. As you may have seen, Jason is putting a lot of time in his business and is why we don't hit the track as much as we used to. Personally I think he feels he has proven the point with his tuning and his car.

It's still 80s at night here in California so we are also waiting for cooler weather. PinoyS4 is going to be representing JHM hard this fall, we'll see if he beats Jay's time [;)]

Ha, I'll reppresent JHM here in good old St. James MN (send me that RS6 turbo kit). Its only 3000 some people and every single one of them is a buick driving farmer.... but, I beleive I could turn some heads. If all else fails maybe we can sell them performance shifters for their John Deers. [:D]

Props to Jason

[team_soy]

my post was in reference to marcs cars no jhm's...

i am just curious is all...coming from other platforms and seeing this one i just cant fill in the 8mph gap..another member ran an 11.2 at like 12x

i dont care about the et..i care just about the trap

[AudiTechS4]

man these threads never end. JHM has alot of very nice parts on his car and possibly turned every bit of hp out of them.Hats off to him.
oh and btw 11.22 is pretty close to 11.19 last time i checked

[team_soy]

yea they are pretty close that is what i am saying...

11.1 at 130 vs a 11.2 at 12x

big diff in trap speed thats why i was curious...do people even read anymore?

[2ndEngineS4]

Sac raceway is slanted downhill (38.6%) and is the fastest track in the universe. We all know this, google earth said so. The nitrous, full carbon fiber body (windows, wheels, and tires are also CF) and absence of an exhaust system also helped a lot. He also has the world's first small hadron collider (SHC) in his trunk generating macroscopic black holes and he actually goes through a matter accelerating time warp at the 60' which adds approx. 9.2 mph to his trap time. And yes, it is all completely safe. . . .

Speculation, this thread is full of (Yoda voice).

If you want answers, you should go to the source, I'm sure Jason will be more than happy to talk to you about his car. He's the most stand up car guy that I know, hands down. After that, talk to the 10secS4 guys about their cars (good luck with that).

Then. . .come to your own informed conclusions.

/thread.

[Unispeed]

Sac raceway is slanted downhill (38.6%) and is the fastest track in the universe. We all know this, google earth said so. The nitrous, full carbon fiber body (windows, wheels, and tires are also CF) and absence of an exhaust system also helped a lot. He also has the world's first small hadron collider (SHC) in his trunk generating macroscopic black holes and he actually goes through a matter accelerating time warp at the 60' which adds approx. 9.2 mph to his trap time. And yes, it is all completely safe. . . .

Speculation, this thread is full of (Yoda voice).

If you want answers, you should go to the source, I'm sure Jason will be more than happy to talk to you about his car. He's the most stand up car guy that I know, hands down. After that, talk to the 10 secS4 guys about their cars (good luck with that).

Then. . .come to your own informed conclusions.

/thread.



ohh boy, here we go again.. east (germany) vs west. lol

[AudiTechS4]

yea they are pretty close that is what i am saying...

11.1 at 130 vs a 11.2 at 12x

big diff in trap speed thats why i was curious...do people even read anymore?

Hey i can't help it if you edit your fucking post after i post you dipshit

[team_soy]

thank you for you informative info about the track

[2ndEngineS4]

My info is always informative. Thank you.

(cocks shotgun). . ."thug life."

[mike-2ptzero]

Stock battery. [>_<]

Thanks for the kind words all. As you may have seen, Jason is putting a lot of time in his business and is why we don't hit the track as much as we used to. Personally I think he feels he has proven the point with his tuning and his car.

It's still 80s at night here in California so we are also waiting for cooler weather. PinoyS4 is going to be representing JHM hard this fall, we'll see if he beats Jay's time [;)]

80 degs is nothing and only little girls have to wait for cold temps to run their car. [:p]

[generationjdm]

Who cares, the time/mph will probably never be duplicated at any other track apples for apples. A car can only be tuned so far, boostXfuelXtiming, it is what it is period.. Any car that goes that fast is respectable no matter whats done to the car. Jays car is very very quick and isn't typical of a pjk04, i guess you can call it a freak of nature[>_<]

[o3spec]

i have a 10secs4 tune. i don't hide anything about my tune or car. you can ask away.

[generationjdm]

i have a 10secs4 tune. i don't hide anything about my tune or car. you can ask away.post up full logs please

[S4 in_lowplaces]

marc's tunes don't run the car to the limits that it may blow up b/c most of us want our cars running. jay can just rebuild it if it blows up, so the efficiency's the limit

ok

[S4 in_lowplaces]

Who cares, the time/mph will probably never be duplicated at any other track apples for apples. A car can only be tuned so far, boostXfuelXtiming, it is what it is period.. Any car that goes that fast is respectable no matter whats done to the car. Jays car is very very quick and isn't typical of a pjk04, i guess you can call it a freak of nature[>_<]

Shawn, WTF, your seriously just trolling now. all you talk about is how your car (setup) isnt supposed to be the quickest, just somthing realiable for you. Yet, your talking about how someone elses runs are a fluke. GTFO. Please show me a car with your setup (your car for that matter since your the one seling the kit) that can trap higher, and I'll shut up.

[BITRBO]

He also has the world's first small hadron collider (SHC) in his trunk. . . .

LMAO... that's just awesome. [>_<]


keep in mind, as someone said, he runs a high boost custom race gas file. he's not afraid of blowing it up by any means, so he runs it with that in mind. marc's tune and others don't run the car to the limits that it may blow up b/c most of us want our cars running. jay can just rebuild it if it blows up, so the efficiency's the limit

If he's selling his tune to the general public, why in the hell would he sell a tune that is going to "blow up" someone's engine [confused] That's a sure-fast way to put himself out of business if you ask me... Maximize the potential as safely as possible, yes. It is a "race tune" though. Now if what you meant was he DRIVES his car to the limits to get those times, you're probably right about that. Why wouldn't he want to try to abstract the maximum potential out of the car/tune?

But I don't think you were trying to say that, were you...?

[generationjdm]

Shawn, WTF, your seriously just trolling now. all you talk about is how your car (setup) isnt supposed to be the quickest, just somthing realiable for you. Yet, your talking about how someone elses runs are a fluke. GTFO. Please show me a car with your setup (your car for that matter since your the one seling the kit) that can trap higher, and I'll shut up.First of all #ackass[:D] I'm saing Jay has a very very quick car no matter what i never said fluke. secondly all i did was compliment him on his car being a "FREAK". thridly your trolling so you gtfo! What i did say was you can only "tune a car to a certain point" theres no secret sauce ie this guys tune that guys tune etc ya some are better then others, but the same princables still apply as far as boost,fuel,timing thats all i was saying.

I believe my exact words was he has "A FREAK OF NATURE" and if he didnt why hasnt it been duplicated? Please show me one car that comes close apples for apples.. also wtf does my car have anything to do with his car?

Your right i dont have the ability to go fast and if i cared so much about speed i wouldnt of used gt25ss with a FULLY bone stock 2.7 liter with just rods[headbang] I dont talk about my car running crazy times or power because im not building it for that reason just being honest nor because it hasn't even been started yet, if i was trust me it would be different build all together.

All i was saying is dont think your going to slap pjk04ss on and run anything near that time for the average guy.. Maybe u took my post the wrong way and if so it wasn't intended that way, sorry for your misunderstanding..

[NYCVR6]

Jason is a great driver and his car DEFINITELY does not make as much power as many one here, what is incrdible about it is that the power is very consitent and the motor holds up to plenty of abuse...I have been there with him when he did something like 16 or 17 passes in one night...there were at least four in a row where he did not even stop (hotlapped) right back into the staging lane to go at it again...

The car trapped 130, it definitely makes some of the most power on here. Driving isnt going to make a car trap faster. No question he is a good driver with a lot of seat time, and a very good dude, but that car is making a lot of power or is very light.

[AAAA]

LMAO... that's just awesome. [>_<]



If he's selling his tune to the general public, why in the hell would he sell a tune that is going to "blow up" someone's engine [confused] That's a sure-fast way to put himself out of business if you ask me... Maximize the potential as safely as possible, yes. It is a "race tune" though. Now if what you meant was he DRIVES his car to the limits to get those times, you're probably right about that. Why wouldn't he want to try to abstract the maximum potential out of the car/tune?

But I don't think you were trying to say that, were you...?

do this--call jay and ask him if you buy his fueling kit, will you get the same 93/91 and race gas tune that he runs. I guarantee you won't. He runs his own shit for the reason I already said. You won't get that tune. My earlier statement came straight from the man's mouth, so I MEANT what I SAID ;)

[mike-2ptzero]

The car trapped 130, it definitely makes some of the most power on here. Driving isn't going to make a car trap faster. No question he is a good driver with a lot of seat time, and a very good dude, but that car is making a lot of power or is very light.

Actually great driving will have a huge effect on the trap speed as much as it will on the ET. Hitting the shift points perfectly and less time wasted between shifts means there is less time that the car speed is stalling while moving forward. Just because a car makes huge power doesn't mean its going to trap high, well unless its a automatic which basically removes the driver out of the equation.

This is exacxtly why the same exact car can run different ET and trap speeds with different drivers that have different skill levels when it comes to drag racing.

[team_soy]

see my whole thing is to find out what can make a k04'd car trap 8 mph higher than another..i got my answer thanx for all your input..it can get locked up now cause i foresee this getting ridiculous.

[jaybquick@JHM]

do this--call jay and ask him if you buy his fueling kit, will you get the same 93/91 and race gas tune that he runs. I guarantee you won't. He runs his own shit for the reason I already said. You won't get that tune. My earlier statement came straight from the man's mouth, so I MEANT what I SAID ;)

The pump tunes I sell are the same ones I run on my car. That is where I develop all (about 60 different ones I have tried or more based on what I have in my archive folder on my desktop).

PinoyS4 has the exact file I ran on my car and will be running an updated one this winter. Obviously he is running full exhaust and a fully stock motor, so those two limitations will affect his time. Full exhaust is a big limiting factor with these cars on race gas. I sell everything I build if the customer proves they can handle it or has the TRUE desire to go fast. My race file has the CFs still working and the computer has full control of the timing. I do have the ability like others to lock the timing out solid and put the motor at risk if the owner is not careful with octane and temps. But I have never done that with my car, because that is not what I sell.

Honestly it comes back to dedication and the limitations of the customer and their ability to get the feedback to me that I need. I know I can duplicate it, just haven't found anyone serious enough about it yet.

I also never push my tunes and don't even have prices on my site. I want to talk to all my customers before hand. I actually steer some people away being that I don't have dozens of hours free to tie up into this if I can tell they are not dedicated to getting me the data I need. Too many people want to give me the data that they think I need and at that point I can't help until they listen. Honestly I don't make very much money on tuning, if anything it is a losing investment, due to the time involved with helping customers so I don't try to push it on to everyone since it becomes a huge education process and have to get alot of the internet pre conceived notions out of their heads. But I am willing to help anyone who is truely serious about going fast and wants to learn. If I was in this purely for money I would just sell somebody elses software and just be a bolt on shop. Making your own stuff from scratch with the help of a coder is EXTREMELY time consuming.

The problem is, everybody wants to be fast but only about 5% of people want to spend the dozens of hours to maximize their setup. They think their is some magical voodoo tune that works the same on all cars in all altitudes and setups. So I send them my stuff and I ask them for data, they send back one log and that is all I ever get. Or they just send me pump gas logs and it is dialed for pump. Then never send me race gas logs to help dial them in for the track, at that point it is just a flat out guess.

You need to have a nice match of hardware as well.


Thanks


If anyone doubts the weight of my car come to

17508 Murphy Pkwy
Lathrop, CA 95330

and bring a screw driver and tools if you want to check it out for any hidden weight loss or anything else. Be my guest.

P.S. I had a stock battery on those runs and the exhaust was in the car, I just removed the mid pipes. I was too lazy to take the cat back off at the track that day.


Also my best ET was 11.13 @ 129.5 with a 1.75 60ft. If I spent more money and time on getting it to 60ft better It would have ran 10s. And on my 11.19 pass I did NOT power shift it, I lfted on every gear.


As for the trap speed I trapped 99.685mph @ half track and 130.723mph at the big end. That is a gain of 31.038 mph on the second half.
If you compare that to another known time, the 11.053 done by Marc when before he did more weight reduction and still had an OTS AWE setup the gain the top end is quite comparable.
96.220mph @ half track and 128.150mph at the big end. That is a gain of 31.93 mph on the second half. How is that for food for thought. His car had less power and less weight and my car has more power and more weight. It shows the characteristic of the car and how it can accelerate power to weight ratio wise. Look at some other half tracks and you will figure out there is a reason why some cars slow down on the big end. I have known these facts since day one, but I guess I am now educating more on how to really analize a quarter mile time to see where you can get more out of your car.




Hope all this clears up the speculation and guessing. I know where these kinds of threads go after this, so I am saying my peace and will not post in here again since the facts are now stated.


Thanks again for everyones support. [up]

[generationjdm]

Jay can i bring some other tools as i would love to have those heads haha your right most people wont spend 5% of the time nor 10% of the cost.. None of the cars on your site ran this year?

[NYCVR6]

Actually great driving will have a huge effect on the trap speed as much as it will on the ET. Hitting the shift points perfectly and less time wasted between shifts means there is less time that the car speed is stalling while moving forward. Just because a car makes huge power doesn't mean its going to trap high, well unless its a automatic which basically removes the driver out of the equation.

This is exacxtly why the same exact car can run different ET and trap speeds with different drivers that have different skill levels when it comes to drag racing.

We're assuming we're comparing Jay to your average drag racer, not a grandma. Im not talking about ET, im talking about trap. In my GTI, ive rolled out of the hole and trapped within a few mph of a decent launch (140+mph traps).. Shifting is shifting, it cant effect mph that much unless you are shifting like you're driving around town. Banging gears will get you a mph or 2 at best.. Im not knocking Jay's accomplishment, but 130mph is a 130mph, if the car is 3500 lbs give or take it must be making 500ish whp.
Why are all these fast passes in the right lane at sac? Id shutup if i get one equally fast pass in the left lane. It's just suspect that all these fast passes were done in the right (questionable) lane.

[generationjdm]

We're assuming we're comparing Jay to your average drag racer, not a grandma. Im not talking about ET, im talking about trap. In my GTI, ive rolled out of the hole and trapped within a few mph of a decent launch (140+mph traps).. Shifting is shifting, it cant effect mph that much unless you are shifting like you're driving around town. Banging gears will get you a mph or 2 at best.. Im not knocking Jay's accomplishment, but 130mph is a 130mph, if the car is 3500 lbs give or take it must be making 500ish whp.
Why are all these fast passes in the right lane at sac? Id shutup if i get one equally fast pass in the left lane. It's just suspect that all these fast passes were done in the right (questionable) lane.I didnt wish to be the one to say it but i always wonder why the fastest pjk04, fastest stage2+, fastest k03 chipped stage1 car, the fastest a4 all the runs in the right lane at sac with all way above average mph and et compared to the rest of the us? Honestly you can clearly see how odd it is if you really think about it . Also none of these cars have made a pass since then?

Theres a few articles from back in 2003 porsche guys who say they usually run up to 8 mph faster in the right lane verse the left

Im not trying to argue but someone please make sense out of it for me and others

[BITRBO]

There must be another small hadron collider under the pavement...

HTF is it possible for a track's lane to be that much off with regards to trap speed, and for so long?? You'd think they calibrate the sensors regularly, at least since 2003...

[team_soy]

i only asked mainly as determining factor as to what i plan on doing with my car, with being cost the determining factor. ie the cost of rs4 k04's vs rs6 k04's

until then i will stay with my k03's and will replace them with k03's until i can get hard facts about the set up i would like to run

[Matt@JHM]

On multiple occasions we have ran the same times in the same night on the left and right lane. [:)]

[team_soy]

On multiple occasions we have ran the same times in the same night on the left and right lane. [:)]

really? do you have proof?...not trying to be a dick but i am gauging my build..a 125+ trap full interior car would surprise alot of people[drive]

[Matt@JHM]

really? do you have proof?...not trying to be a dick but i am gauging my build..a 125+ trap full interior car would surprise alot of people[drive]

Yes, Jay posted it awhile back. You can try searching for it, I forget which thread it was in.

We present the facts, it's ultimately up to you to accept them.

Now, I need to get back to finishing up these knobs [:D][up]

[generationjdm]

On multiple occasions we have ran the same times in the same night on the left and right lane. [:)]Im sure you have ran the same times in each lane, but have any of the record setting runs ever been in both lanes or even matched in the other lane? People have wonder this for a year and no one has asked, so i figured i would ask... From what they where saying it's not something that happens all the time ie the higher mph, but it does happen there and other tracks.. Who knows

[AudiSportB5S4]

Yes, Jay posted it awhile back. You can try searching for it, I forget which thread it was in.

We present the facts, it's ultimately up to you to accept them.

Now, I need to get back to finishing up these knobs [:D][up]

please do [>_<]. JHM ftw! [race]

[team_soy]

thanks for the info jhm..i now how some sense of direction for my build now

[o3spec]

post up full logs please

haven't logged it yet because the battery on my laptop is for shit, but when i do ill post some stuff up

[mike-2ptzero]

We're assuming we're comparing Jay to your average drag racer, not a grandma. Im not talking about ET, im talking about trap. In my GTI, ive rolled out of the hole and trapped within a few mph of a decent launch (140+mph traps).. Shifting is shifting, it cant effect mph that much unless you are shifting like you're driving around town. Banging gears will get you a mph or 2 at best.. Im not knocking Jay's accomplishment, but 130mph is a 130mph, if the car is 3500 lbs give or take it must be making 500ish whp.
Why are all these fast passes in the right lane at sac? Id shutup if i get one equally fast pass in the left lane. It's just suspect that all these fast passes were done in the right (questionable) lane.

Its not just how you shift is is the shift points, if you shift early or later then the best shift point the speed of the car slows/stalls even though the car is still traveling forward. This even comes into play on NHRA pro stock cars seening that they pretty much run cars with the same specs and hp.

All of the fast runs are done in the right lane because that is the lane Sac uses the most when doing single runs. The left lane has a issue of giving lower readings now and then, but I have had a few runs in the left lane that were the same trap as what I ran in the right lane on the same day. The readings in the right lane are correct seeing that I have also ran mid 130's at fontana which is a much slower track then Sac.


Here is 2 time slips from 2 Benz's that ran nearly exactly the same ET and MPH in both lanes.

http://www.dragtimes.com/images_timeslip/9696-2006-Mercedes-Benz-S65-AMG-Timeslip.jpg

http://www.dragtimes.com/images_timeslip/3051-2003-Mercedes-Benz-S600-Timeslip.jpg



Here are time slips from a EVO owner I met at the last BOTI event at sacremento, he runs a GT35r at 32psi tuned on C16.

Right lane
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc149/SeanatFFTEC/PatB10730136697timeslip.jpg

Left lane
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc149/SeanatFFTEC/PatB10682135485andBruceV11333126-1.jpg

Right lane
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/TRIXSNK/DSC00251.jpg

[PinoyS4]

i can't find any of my timeslips from my 90 degree weather runs from infineon raceway this year but, i only ran 1 mile per hour faster at sac's right lane with the same weather and conditions. also, infineon is even a slight uphill battle. so, times at sac isn't that far off as stated here.

[500HPS5]

The trap speeds are the exact same both left and right for me at SacRaceway...

The left lane does have a slight bump in it that the higher horsepower cars prefer to avoid.

[BurnAll4S4]

ummm i ran a 11.20, isnt that close to 11.13?

[team_soy]

yes you did..you can have a cookie now [:)]

im jk..i was referring to your times in my post, and wondering about the trap speed diff

[generationjdm]

Of course the left lane is slower..

Read towards the bottom of the first link which is from 2003 and he doesn't have an audi..

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-25426.html

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3764038&postid=47089257

I herd many people say that they have ran extremely fast in the right lane not all the time but sometimes and thats the same thing these guys said below. "The right lane fluctuated all night not every time but sometimes"

I also herd a few people say from time to time they work on that lanes electronics a lot.. Still no ones answered my original question, why is it every stage s4 and the fastest a4 all have record runs at that track only in that lane?

Heres what was wrote from 5 years ago, and i would say he knows what he's talking about since he has over 1000 launches at that track....

Litespeeds
11-21-2003, 02:27
RedlineRex is a very good driver. He is so consistent that it is kind of scary. I guess with over 1000+ launches at the strip, one can't help but get good.
All I can say is I need some serious practice.
I saw his perfect reaction time of .500 when we went out together. What was funny about the track that evening was the miles per hour fluctuation between the left and right lanes. It didn't really happen with my runs but it did with his as well as one of my friends.
The right lane showed a faster mph than the left lane. My buddy ran his 88 Porsche 930 turbo and had about eight 110 mph runs on the right lanes but only 101-102 mph on the left lane with three runs.
RedlineRex had the 108mph on the right lane but got a few 105-106mph on the left lane, if I remembered right.
Probably could be a malfunction on the radar at the end of the 1/4 mile but to have a 8-9 mph difference is really weird. :confused:
We had a great time and would love to have other's join us next year when we go out again.
I guess it is more wear and tear on your clutch than anything else but it is fun nevertheless.
I hope RedlineRex will join me next year when I go out to Thunderhill again. Been there 4 times and love that track.


Heres the other post
Having ran at Sacto many, many times I can tell you that one lane has a known error. There is usually a 5-6 mph difference in trap speeds.

The guy has 40 passes at that track all within 0.158 of each other and has found that track does have an werd mph glitch every now and again. He states 5-6 mph also and a 3-4 tenths...http://www.mustangmotorsport.com/drag.html

I would say it's highly possible there is sometimes a problem

[silky]

wild

[NYCVR6]

Its not just how you shift is is the shift points, if you shift early or later then the best shift point the speed of the car slows/stalls even though the car is still traveling forward. This even comes into play on NHRA pro stock cars seening that they pretty much run cars with the same specs and hp.


Well obviously.. Ive been racing high hp cars for about 10 years now.. But like i said we are comparing Jay to your average drag racer that knows their car, not like throwing someone in a car that revs to 10k and they shift at 8. That trap has not been duplicated by any other full interior k04 s4 in the world. So either the car is making close to 500 wheel, or it's lighter than we are led to believe. I went 125 in my car with k04 hybrids, and have only done that a few times. No question my car is a bit heavier than jays, as i have no carbon fiber body parts, heavy wheels, etc.. But not 5mph lighter, and i trapped 125 in some decent weather. Im not knocking, just wondering.

[mike-2ptzero]

I would say it's highly possible there is sometimes a problem

Yes, it is a glitch in the left lane. Some times it lets the nose of the car break the beam instead of the wheel, this causes the car to take a slightly longer time to run thru the trap and break the beam at the finish line. Since the trap is a timed run between the 2 beams the longer time then comes up as a slower trap in that left lane. This we see the same ET/trap in both lanes and then some times get a slower trap with the same ET in the left lane.


Still no ones answered my original question, why is it every stage s4 and the fastest a4 all have record runs at that track only in that lane?

I already told you, most of the runs are single runs and SAC always puts that car into the right lane. Plus most people with high hp cars pick the right lane during open racing becausee it is the only lane they prep. This is not a problem when running in big events on the weekend because they prep both lanes during those events.

[mike-2ptzero]

I think it's safe to say theres a problem in trap speed sometimes, why else would 4 different stage cars have record setting trap speeds at the same track in the same lane out of thousands of cars and hundreds of tracks.

I trap 133-135 at sac and fontana, my traps at those 2 tracks are where they should be compared to the high 120's that I ran at LACR which is .5-6 seconds slower in the same conditions. So how does that make the trap speeds too high at sac? The S4 guys only run at sac so they dont really have any other trap speeds to compare with their traps from sac.


Another A4 with a GT35r/2 liter ran a high 10 and also trapped mid 130's, that was done at a track in canada.

[generationjdm]

Just wish to make this clear, a lot of people have been wondering about this for a long time, it comes up every now and again in threads and a shit load of times in conversations,aims,pms,emails etc so why not just ask the questions once and for all and be done with it, thats why i did..

I just want to make sure i have this straight.

So the problem is in the left lane and all the unusually high mph on the four cars are contribute to mods and tuning and there the only ones in the world running them tunes including the stage1 chipped only car?

Exclude your car because it is typical for your mods but the others

Like they stated before up top in those article, it doesn't happen all the time, but does happen

So maybe just maybe theres a chance that 1 or more of the 3 cars mentioned could possibly of ran on a error day in that lane?

So the guy who made over 1000 passes at that track doesn't no whats going on in the left lane and the right lane is ALWAYS fine?

When a well none member of this board and community runs at that track and confirms forever that there is a problem sometimes in that lane and runs faster in that lane after doing hot laps seems odd thats all..

If that left lane was a problem wouldn't people know about it and someone would of posted this on the internet like they did the right lane?

I guess it doesn't help when none of the 4 cars have made a pass since then and all just had that 1 day to put them times/mphss up, if there where other days and lanes ran after all the record setting runs this would be a lot easier to understand

[mike-2ptzero]

I just want to make sure i have this straight.

So the problem is in the left lane and all the unusually high mph on the four cars are contribute to mods and tuning and there the only ones in the world running them tunes including the stage1 chipped only car?

Exclude your car because it is typical for your mods but the others

Like they stated before up top in those article, it doesn't happen all the time, but does happen

So maybe just maybe theres a chance that 1 or more of the 3 cars mentioned could possibly of ran on a error day in that lane?

So the guy who made over 1000 passes at that track doesn't no whats going on in the left lane and the right lane is ALWAYS fine?

When a well none member of this board and community runs at that track and confirms forever that there is a problem sometimes in that lane and runs faster in that lane after doing hot laps seems odd thats all..

If that left lane was a problem wouldn't people know about it and someone would of posted this on the internet like they did the right lane?

I guess it doesn't help when none of the 4 cars have made a pass since then and all just had that 1 day to put them times/mphss up, if there where other days and lanes ran after all the record setting runs this would be a lot easier to understand


I just ran less then a month ago at Sac, I only got 2 runs and ran in both lane but my run in the left lane was done coasting all of 4th gear with a 11.1 at 110 mph. I also posted time slips of a EVO that ran at that same track with nearly exactly the same times ran in both runs during that weekend.

In my many trips to Sac I have never seen a fluctuation in my times all done in the right lane. Have there been a big difference in that right lane for those 3 S4's? Haven't there been other S4's that have ran at sac that are not running JHM tuning?

[2ndEngineS4]

Fact 1: The small hadron particle collider in Jason's trunk trips the sensor 0.12 seconds early. Every time. Three times in a row.

Fact 2: He transfers it to all the other JHM tuned cars so they run fast times too. I can't wait for my turn. . .trippy.

All of this new info is informative but we're not going to prove anything in this thread. Actually, I'm not sure how to prove anything anymore. Whenever someone succeeds on a new level people always start trying to find fault and deception. Jason works hard, JHM is part of his livelihood. Dammit, if I spent countless hours studying something, I would be the best at it too. If you guys spent half as much time building your own shit as you spend arguing about other people's shit and trying to find fault, maybe you could maximize your potential and the potential of your car too. Look who's NOT contributing to this nonsense. . . . does anyone wonder why? Now that's something to think about.

Think outside the box. Vorsprung durch Technik or some shit.

/done.

[PinoyS4]

Fact 1: The small hadron particle collider in Jason's trunk trips the sensor 0.12 seconds early. Every time. Three times in a row.

Fact 2: He transfers it to all the other JHM tuned cars so they run fast times too. I can't wait for my turn. . .trippy.

All of this new info is informative but we're not going to prove anything in this thread. Actually, I'm not sure how to prove anything anymore. Whenever someone succeeds on a new level people always start trying to find fault and deception. Jason works hard, JHM is part of his livelihood. Dammit, if I spent countless hours studying something, I would be the best at it too. If you guys spent half as much time building your own shit as you spend arguing about other people's shit and trying to find fault, maybe you could maximize your potential and the potential of your car too. Look who's NOT contributing to this nonsense. . . . does anyone wonder why? Now that's something to think about.

Think outside the box. Vorsprung durch Technik or some shit.

/done.

EXACTLY!

[RolledMySTi]

Is they any drag racing post that don't end up in madness on this forum?

So let me get this straight. Before I post any times I need to let everyone know: the mods on my car, the tune, have it weighed on each pass, everything that has been removed even if it's just the ashtray(because we all know no ashtray= not full weight), the time of day down to the second, the temp at every pass not just the start of the day, where earth was in it's rotation at that moment, the type of gas and which station I bought it from, the track, the lane, the number of pebbles that are in the lane, the history of the track and the lane I'm in, the location of the moon (it's been proven that's it's gravitational pull can affect times by .001 seconds), the type of tires and the number of miles on them, the speed and direction of the wind on each pass, the barometric pressure on each pass, the humidity for each pass, post full logs before and after each pass, a survey of a least 50 other people who have run that lane, have a video of the car before and after the pass with no cuts, email my tune to everyone on the forum immediately after each run (this part should also be in the video) and lastly a priest, rabbi, cop and the mayor there as witness.

Did I forget anything?

[generationjdm]

I just ran less then a month ago at Sac, I only got 2 runs and ran in both lane but my run in the left lane was done coasting all of 4th gear with a 11.1 at 110 mph. I also posted time slips of a EVO that ran at that same track with nearly exactly the same times ran in both runs during that weekend.

In my many trips to Sac I have never seen a fluctuation in my times all done in the right lane. Have there been a big difference in that right lane for those 3 S4's? Haven't there been other S4's that have ran at sac that are not running JHM tuning?Like I Clearly stated no one ever said it happens every run, but it's clearly noted from as far back as 2003 that it does happen Bottom line..

Theres not one pjk04 or pjk03 in the world apples for apples running the times of those 3 S4ss, thats why the question has been asked..

If you never or mostly run in the right lane then that would explain why u never see much of a difference, maybe it's always like that haha.

I guess it's all meaningless, like i said theres nothing to compare to seeings none of the cars have ran again since...

[generationjdm]

Theres no argument here just asking questions, as far as I can see the thread seems calm no arguing of any kind.

What turn threads into shit is the goofy posts like the 1 above that has no bearing on anything in this thread..

Like I said, is the guy with a 1000+ launches at that track a beginner and he's just making up stories along with the rest of them?

[team_soy]

gosh i am scared not to post anything anymore for fear it may get blown out of proportion.

[AudiSportB5S4]

gosh i am scared not to post anything anymore for fear it may get blown out of proportion.

sad but true [=(].

[generationjdm]

gosh i am scared not to post anything anymore for fear it may get blown out of proportion.Nothing is blown out of proportion at all.. if someone cant ask a simple few questions then whats the board for.

This questions comes up from time to time and never gets answered at all, its talked about constantly and thrown in ever gt/none pjk04 thread etc.

So why not just get all of it out and end it once and for all, now if anyone ever has a question or wonder they don't have to post it in ever other thread...

What blows up threads or gets them closed is all the other nonsense and joke making posts that provoke/invite the drama

[mike-2ptzero]

If you never or mostly run in the right lane then that would explain why u never see much of a difference, maybe it's always like that haha.

Theres not one pjk04 or pjk03 in the world apples for apples running the times of those 3 S4ss, thats why..



I have done plenty of runs in both lanes at sac running in bracket events, TNT, grudge days in 4 different A4's.

What I was saying is that all of my runs in the right lane are always nearly exactly the same, my 10.8/10.69/10.8 in my A4 all had 135+ mph traps. If you are running in the left lane you can get a normal reading on one run like you get in the right land and then next run might end up with a low trap reading with no change in the ET. This is because there is an issue with the starting trap beam which only effects the Trap but has nothing to do with the ET part of the timing system.

Are you comparing the full time slips of all those S4's or just focused on just the 1/4 mile trap? It is very easy to stretch the gears out to get a better ET and have a slower MPH since the car is being taken beyond its power band. Isn't it possible that is what other people are doing just to get their ET's down, while jason/Bert keep their cars in the power band to get the higher traps?

[generationjdm]

I have done plenty of runs in both lanes at sac running in bracket events, TNT, grudge days in 4 different A4's.

What I was saying is that all of my runs in the right lane are always nearly exactly the same, my 10.8/10.69/10.8 in my A4 all had 135+ mph traps. If you are running in the left lane you can get a normal reading on one run like you get in the right land and then next run might end up with a low trap reading with no change in the ET. This is because there is an issue with the starting trap beam which only effects the Trap but has nothing to do with the ET part of the timing system.

Are you comparing the full time slips of all those S4's or just focused on just the 1/4 mile trap? It is very easy to stretch the gears out to get a better ET and have a slower MPH since the car is being taken beyond its power band. Isn't it possible that is what other people are doing just to get their ET's down, while jason/Bert keep their cars in the power band to get the higher traps?Why has it took so long for the Error in the left lane to made public to us? Thats has never been mentioned as far as i can see and if true could of avoided many threads/posts[>_<] Seriously not trying to start any shit just thought maybe it was time to kill the whole topic once and for all...

[generationjdm]

I have done plenty of runs in both lanes at sac running in bracket events, TNT, grudge days in 4 different A4's.

What I was saying is that all of my runs in the right lane are always nearly exactly the same, my 10.8/10.69/10.8 in my A4 all had 135+ mph traps. If you are running in the left lane you can get a normal reading on one run like you get in the right land and then next run might end up with a low trap reading with no change in the ET. This is because there is an issue with the starting trap beam which only effects the Trap but has nothing to do with the ET part of the timing system.

Are you comparing the full time slips of all those S4's or just focused on just the 1/4 mile trap? It is very easy to stretch the gears out to get a better ET and have a slower MPH since the car is being taken beyond its power band. Isn't it possible that is what other people are doing just to get their ET's down, while jason/Bert keep their cars in the power band to get the higher traps?Why has it took so long for the Error in the left lane to made public to us? Thats has never been mentioned as far as i can see and if true could of avoided many threads/posts[>_<] Seriously not trying to start any shit just thought maybe it was time to kill the whole topic once and for all... Just looking at the MPH right now as they just seem very high compared to the same or really close ets out there

[team_soy]

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i135/housetango/MoviesTV/TheTruthIsOutThere.jpg

[JMTx86]

interesting read. JHM was suppose to release one of the "crazy" tunes to the public but has that happened yet or are they still working on it?

[team_soy]

more boost then most people on ko4's

ok guy...

[mike-2ptzero]

Why has it took so long for the Error in the left lane to made public to us? Thats has never been mentioned as far as i can see and if true could of avoided many threads/posts[>_<] Seriously not trying to start any shit just thought maybe it was time to kill the whole topic once and for all... Just looking at the MPH right now as they just seem very high compared to the same or really close ets out there

Trap and MPH have nothing to do with each other, you have to compare the whole run not just what the car is doing in the last 66 ft.

[NYCVR6]

Trap and MPH have nothing to do with each other, you have to compare the whole run not just what the car is doing in the last 66 ft.

C'mon, you have to assume that he is referring to trap as mph, as many people do. Let's not stray from the debate here, trap speed is a perfect indication of hp to weight, and ET is the indicator of launch and traction. No? Let's focus on trap, or MPH, whatever you choose to call it.. Where im from 2 cars race, 2-3 mph difference is huge.. We are trying to figure out why the cars mentioned seem to be posting trap speeds 5+mph faster than comparable cars around the world. Dont tell me about shift points, launches, etc.. 5mph is 5mph.. Thats not a 20whp difference, it's a lot! Let's say i have a car and i run a 15.0@95mph on my first pass, then seconds pass, i launch the motor dies and i roll 5 feet. I restart the car, launch from right there, chances are i will run a 19.0@94.5mph. Let's focus on trap speed in this discussion.

[generationjdm]

Mike I understand that, but the trap says a ton...

[NYCVR6]

Mike I understand that, but the trap says a ton...

Beat you to it haha. I honestly dont care if Jay went 135mph, just seems odd that cars are trapping so fast in sac's right lane. Ive been hearing it for so long, and just wondering. Maybe you guys are just making a ton of power, maybe it's the track.. [confused]

[Das General]

Hhhmm.. so if Mikes car at 2900lbs and 650whp traps 136. Then Jays full weight, call it 3500lbs, traps 130. So only a 6 mph trap separates two cars, with at least a 500 lbs difference... regardless of what lane.

I wonder what Jays car is putting down for power.

[mike-2ptzero]

Beat you to it haha. I honestly dont care if Jay went 135mph, just seems odd that cars are trapping so fast in sac's right lane. Ive been hearing it for so long, and just wondering. Maybe you guys are just making a ton of power, maybe it's the track.. [confused]

I just dont see how the traps are high in the right lane at sac. There have been other cars that have ran in that right lane and were right on with their traps from other tracks. The conditions play a huge role at SAC, when it gets cold the cars really start to produce more power and the traps reflect that. The colder temps will have the largest effect on the top end since the IAT's will not climb as quickly.

[NYCVR6]

I just dont see how the traps are high in the right lane at sac. There have been other cars that have ran in that right lane and were right on with their traps from other tracks. The conditions play a huge role at SAC, when it gets cold the cars really start to produce more power and the traps reflect that. The colder temps will have the largest effect on the top end since the IAT's will not climb as quickly.

I'm specically referring to the s4's in question, not other cars as we have no reference to base from with those. No need to explain elementary drag stuff to me like cars trapping faster in the cold due not only iat's, but also the higher oxygen content in colder air. I've been doing it a long time like you mike. I am just wondering how jay trapped 5+ mph faster than any other full interior k04 s4 in the world. If he has secrets, I can respect that, just let us know. We have known the right lane at sac has been suspect for years.

[torment]

Wasn't that run on 28psi?

[500HPS5]

I'm specically referring to the s4's in question, not other cars as we have no reference to base from with those. No need to explain elementary drag stuff to me like cars trapping faster in the cold due not only iat's, but also the higher oxygen content in colder air. I've been doing it a long time like you mike. I am just wondering how jay trapped 5+ mph faster than any other full interior k04 s4 in the world. If he has secrets, I can respect that, just let us know. We have known the right lane at sac has been suspect for years.

It is not a secret, Jason is just a better driver than you guys are...I have seen his dyno's at one particular shop that I have used...

When have you ever seen Jason post up a dynograph...never...he is just a better driver than you guys are and can get more out of the car.

[team_soy]

I'm specically referring to the s4's in question, not other cars as we have no reference to base from with those. No need to explain elementary drag stuff to me like cars trapping faster in the cold due not only iat's, but also the higher oxygen content in colder air. I've been doing it a long time like you mike. I am just wondering how jay trapped 5+ mph faster than any other full interior k04 s4 in the world. If he has secrets, I can respect that, just let us know. We have known the right lane at sac has been suspect for years.

i am with this guy..and all the noobs stfu and stop talking about rs4 this and that netting that high of a trap

[NYCVR6]

It is not a secret, Jason is just a better driver than you guys are...I have seen his dyno's at one particular shop that I have used...

When have you ever seen Jason post up a dynograph...never...he is just a better driver than you guys are and can get more out of the car.

so you are saying that it's his superior driving skills that netted him 5+ mph in his traps than every other k04 car in the world? Save that for the birds man. I'd like dynographs and a pic of the car on the scale so I can laugh in your face about the better driver shit. You must think you're talking to a moron to pitch that. Either the car is ultra light, makes over 500whp, or the track is off. Also, there are 2 other cars in question with abnormally high traps for their setups, all right lane at sac. Let me guess, all 3 are better drivers than all other s4 drivers as well?

[mike-2ptzero]

C'mon, you have to assume that he is referring to trap as mph, as many people do. Let's not stray from the debate here, trap speed is a perfect indication of hp to weight, and ET is the indicator of launch and traction. No? Let's focus on trap, or MPH, whatever you choose to call it.. Where im from 2 cars race, 2-3 mph difference is huge.. We are trying to figure out why the cars mentioned seem to be posting trap speeds 5+mph faster than comparable cars around the world. Dont tell me about shift points, launches, etc.. 5mph is 5mph.. Thats not a 20whp difference, it's a lot! Let's say i have a car and i run a 15.0@95mph on my first pass, then seconds pass, i launch the motor dies and i roll 5 feet. I restart the car, launch from right there, chances are i will run a 19.0@94.5mph. Let's focus on trap speed in this discussion.

Sorry I meant to put Trap and ET have nothing to do with each other.

Yes trap is a good indication of hp to weight, but those along only work for a Automatic that is shifting on its own not by the driver. If the driver is shifting the shift points and amount of time it takes to shift effect the trap/MPH. On a turbo car the IAT's also have a big effect on trap speed since a car with higher IAT's will end up producing less power and the mph gain on the top end wont be as big.


Let's say i have a car and i run a 15.0@95mph on my first pass, then seconds pass, i launch the motor dies and i roll 5 feet. I restart the car, launch from right there, chances are i will run a 19.0@94.5mph. Let's focus on trap speed in this discussion

That is not 100% true. If you do that on a car that needs to be pushed passed its power band to finish the race, the trap speed will actually be faster because you are now running 1315 ft not 1320ft. This means the car will actually be making more power as it runs thru the traps, this is seen all the time. Now on a car that never uses its full power band when hitting the finish line the trap speed will be slightly slower since it will be making less power going thru the traps.

I expected someone that claims to have 10 years of racing experiance to know that, unless those 10 years were not in the form of drag racing or you only drag raced american V8's that have very power gearing for the big end of the track.


so you are saying that it's his superior driving skills that netted him 5+ mph in his traps than every other k04 car in the world? Save that for the birds man. I'd like dynographs and a pic of the car on the scale so I can laugh in your face about the better driver shit. You must think you're talking to a moron to pitch that. Either the car is ultra light, makes over 500whp, or the track is off. Also, there are 2 other cars in question with abnormally high traps for their setups, all right lane at sac. Let me guess, all 3 are better drivers than all other s4 drivers as well?

So I guess the 2 ASP cars that cant hit 130's must be running at tracks that also give incorrect (very low) trap speeds? Now try to tell me driving skill has nothing to do with trap speed because both of those cars run at 2 tracks that are nearly the quickest tracks in the country with plenty of national records (ET and MPH).

[generationjdm]

Justin well said.

JDM just ran his stage 3+ car at the track and on pump he went 108mph, now there was a stage 1 car chip only nothing else all cats, full weight and the car went 106-108mph in that right lane. That car isn't on the jhm site anymore... So im confused, is the stage 1 car making more power then the stage 3+ car?

[mike-2ptzero]

Justin well said.

JDM just ran his stage 3+ car at the track and on pump he went 108mph, now there was a stage 1 car chip only nothing else all cats, full weight and the car went 106-108mph in that right lane. That car isn't on the jhm site anymore... So im confused, is the stage 1 car making more power then the stage 3+ car?

Well that stage 3+ must have had major tuning issues or the driver was doing something wrong because the fastest stage 1 A6 has a trap speed of 105 mph trap and wasn't ran at Sac.

12.807 second run
Fastest Stage 1, A6

ECU: K-box
Programming: Custom street tune
Downpipes: Stock
Exhaust: Stock
Mods: Custom street tune, MBC, no TCD

Octane: 93
Racetrack: Old Bridge Raceway
Temperature:

60': 1.762
1/4: 12.807
1/8: 8.135
MPH: 105.34

and

13.024 second run
Fastest Stage 2 A6

ECU: -box
Programming: GIAC XR
Downpipes: Stock
Exhaust: Custom Magnaflow
Mods: 2002 A6 2.7T 6 speed, K03 Turbos, AWE S-flo, QTP electronic dumps after cats,

Octane: 100
Racetrack: Englishtown Raceway Park
Temperature: 54

60': 1.918
1/4: 13.024
1/8: 8.404
MPH: 106.49

[twinsnailsS4]

Gents, we're starting to veer off topic. Also, I search would have yielded some info on this topic, including a few pages of posts discussing the left and right lanes at Sacto. Here's a link to the post with respect to the runs in question...I think it may answer some of the OP's questions since I'm assuming some of the "tricks" mentioned in the thread would help pick up a few mph here and there.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=180415&highlight=jhm+boost+line

[NYCVR6]

That is not 100% true. If you do that on a car that needs to be pushed passed its power band to finish the race, the trap speed will actually be faster because you are now running 1315 ft not 1320ft. This means the car will actually be making more power as it runs thru the traps, this is seen all the time. Now on a car that never uses its full power band when hitting the finish line the trap speed will be slightly slower since it will be making less power going thru the traps.

I expected someone that claims to have 10 years of racing experiance to know that, unless those 10 years were not in the form of drag racing or you only drag raced american V8's that have very power gearing for the big end of the track.

I disagree, but lets not get into this debate here as well.. Ive raced both imports that trapped 140+ and domestics that trapped similarly...



So I guess the 2 ASP cars that cant hit 130's must be running at tracks that also give incorrect (very low) trap speeds? Now try to tell me driving skill has nothing to do with trap speed because both of those cars run at 2 tracks that are nearly the quickest tracks in the country with plenty of national records (ET and MPH).

No the tracks are fine, the hp claims are off in this case as far as im concerned.



...

[NYCVR6]

Im also going to stop here, i dont want any nastiness starting here, and it's been pretty civil so far, so now is a good time to let bygones be bygones. I respect Jay for what he has accomplished with both his car and his company, and i respect you Mike for what you have accomplished with your A4.. Im going top leave this one here...

[hot2trots4]

Entertaining thread. I am new here but have been racing for years. If you actually spend the time to look into something deeper it makes sense. Plus numbers and statistics can be skewed any way you want to make it look good, bad or whatever. This kind of debate will never end.

Food for thought. I wonder if anyone has actually considered spending more time racing and working on making their car faster instead of chatting online about it. Do you really think that chatting about it will actually make your car any faster? I don't come from a Euro car background so I guess I don't understand. [confused] I guess with Euro cars you talk more and work on them less to go faster?? Correct?

Here is a video I found on you tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EEUBILZSpY

It speaks for itself. Take his ETs and trap speeds and look at these more popular tracks and their timeslips. They look similar. Pointer, Take the 60ft into account as well and the half track speeds. Also remember a turbo car with a manual trans looses time on shifts due to the turbos having to spool up. Hence the lower ET.

Also if you search the archives, this guy has been racing these cars and posting about it since 05. I highly doubt that he posted about every visit. Then think about how much time you spent at the track. Do you really think your opinion holds much weight then? I would bet that many of the "E-experts" posting in this thread have maybe been to the track once and ran their car, if that.

Texas Motorplex in TX http://www.dragtimes.com/Texas-Motorplex-TrackID-75.html
Englishtown in NJ http://www.dragtimes.com/Old-Bridge-Township-Raceway-Park-TrackID-32.html
Atco in NJ http://www.dragtimes.com/Atco-Raceway-TrackID-30.html
Gainsville in FL http://www.dragtimes.com/Gainesville-Raceway-TrackID-6.html
Firebird in AZ - http://www.dragtimes.com/Firebird-International-Raceway-TrackID-119.html


If you look at more tracks, you find some faster and some slower. It is what it is.

Bottom line, if someone is willing to put that much time and effort into your platform over many years, you should applaud and appreciate that person so they can continue to bring new attention to the car and more than likely new products. It is quite logical. From what I have read his current products ain't garbage.

[generationjdm]

Entertaining thread. I am new here but have been racing for years. If you actually spend the time to look into something deeper it makes sense. Plus numbers and statistics can be skewed any way you want to make it look good, bad or whatever. This kind of debate will never end.

Food for thought. I wonder if anyone has actually considered spending more time racing and working on making their car faster instead of chatting online about it. Do you really think that chatting about it will actually make your car any faster? I don't come from a Euro car background so I guess I don't understand. [confused] I guess with Euro cars you talk more and work on them less to go faster?? Correct?

Here is a video I found on you tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EEUBILZSpY

It speaks for itself. Take his ETs and trap speeds and look at these more popular tracks and their timeslips. They look similar. Pointer, Take the 60ft into account as well and the half track speeds. Also remember a turbo car with a manual trans looses time on shifts due to the turbos having to spool up. Hence the lower ET.

Also if you search the archives, this guy has been racing these cars and posting about it since 05. I highly doubt that he posted about every visit. Then think about how much time you spent at the track. Do you really think your opinion holds much weight then? I would bet that many of the "E-experts" posting in this thread have maybe been to the track once and ran their car, if that.

Texas Motorplex in TX http://www.dragtimes.com/Texas-Motorplex-TrackID-75.html
Englishtown in NJ http://www.dragtimes.com/Old-Bridge-Township-Raceway-Park-TrackID-32.html
Atco in NJ http://www.dragtimes.com/Atco-Raceway-TrackID-30.html
Gainsville in FL http://www.dragtimes.com/Gainesville-Raceway-TrackID-6.html
Firebird in AZ - http://www.dragtimes.com/Firebird-International-Raceway-TrackID-119.html


If you look at more tracks, you find some faster and some slower. It is what it is.

Bottom line, if someone is willing to put that much time and effort into your platform over many years, you should applaud and appreciate that person so they can continue to bring new attention to the car and more than likely new products. It is quite logical. From what I have read his current products ain't garbage.OMG, please close this thread now