Go Big or Go Home

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Well my block is at the machine shop and I have an AEG crank on the way and some 83mm Supertech stroker pistons coming from QEDPOWER.

That should get me over 400whp on pump [:D]

My new mod list:

2.0 stroker (AEG 92.8mm Crank) with 83mm Supertech pistons (2008cc)
AEB Head with cat valve springs and supertech exhaust valves
Schrick 252/260 cams
GT3076 .63 A/R
Siemens 750cc injectors
034 Motorsport "040" fuel pump
Custom Tune
Meth Injection
3" exhaust to the split then 2.25"

Now I hope my car doesnt get destroyed in Hurricane Ike which has it's sites set for me.

[dirtybrd]

What machine shop? Do they have a torque plate for our motors?

[absolutegtr]

Wow.....Why the sudden change of heart?

And yes, Ike, if it makes landfall where-ever it may be, will be desctructive....

[alexza4]

How much were you making with your GT3071r?

[AudiA4_20T]

Wow.....Why the sudden change of heart?

And yes, Ike, if it makes landfall where-ever it may be, will be desctructive....

Because its less than $1k more and Davids a baller

[Don Supreme]

Well my block is at the machine shop and I have an AEG crank on the way and some 83mm Supertech stroker pistons coming from QEDPOWER.

That should get me over 400whp on pump [:D]

My new mod list:

2.0 stroker (AEG 92.4mm Crank) with 83mm Supertech pistons (2008cc)
AEB Head with cat valve springs and supertech exhaust valves
Schrick 252/260 cams
GT3076 .63 A/R
Custom Tune
Meth Injection
3" exhaust to the split then 2.25"

Now I hope my car doesnt get destroyed in Hurricane Ike which has it's sites set for me.

Wow - projects keeps changing.... Anyway, I think you will be happier with the new direction. Also, with such a large over bore you should really make sure they have a torque plate for the motor or source one for them. There is a guy that rents them.

Let me know if you need his contact info.

P.S. I sourced all my engine parts from QED... Super quick service and excellent support!

How long for the machine shop to do their thing? I am expecting to get my motor back next week (~ 4 weeks).

[A4 TSCHUSS]

I will have to check into that. They have worked on Audi stuff, but dont know about a specific torque plate for our motor. It is a shop in Miami called Roques.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

They already have my head done (valve seats ground and new valve seals installed along with the new stuff). And the block will be done next week depending on what this hurricane does it could be a little longer but should be next week if nothing bad happens. And yes QED is great, he gets back to you very quick and he is shipping everything out to me today.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

O and I will now have a ton of crap I dont need that I will sell to someone.

Stock bore head gasket (paid $54)
Stock amb crank ($100)
AEB pistons that have been Soda Blasted (Payed $135)
New piston rings. (Payed $160)

As well as my AMB head (complete) (make offer and no not $100, like $300 range)
AMB small port intake manifold ($40)
Gt3071r ($1000)
630cc Siemens injectors. ($170)

[Don Supreme]

Its funny, there are a couple 3071 and 60lb injectors on sale right now. Its like everyone decided to upgrade @ the same time, but hold up a minute.

What size injectors are you moving to and how is the tune coming along?

[AudiA4_20T]

I will have to check into that. They have worked on Audi stuff, but dont know about a specific torque plate for our motor. Im not that knowledgeable about that so I dont know what is different or whatnot. It is a shop in Miami called Roques.

David this is the basic reason my 1st 2.0L failed, its not fun, make sure you spend the extra $$$ and get the right machine shop, o and make sure they do .003 clearance

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Its funny, there are a couple 3071 and 60lb injectors on sale right now. Its like everyone decided to upgrade @ the same time, but hold up a minute.

What size injectors are you moving to and how is the tune coming along?

750cc injectors and the tune will start in about 1.5 weeks.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

David this is the basic reason my 1st 2.0L failed, its not fun, make sure you spend the extra $$$ and get the right machine shop, o and make sure they do .003 clearance

.003 inch for piston to wall clearance? I forgot to ask Bob about the clearance for these pistons.

I know the stock clearance was .035mm which is .0014 inch

[Audi Skate Snow]

wow sounds a lot like the setup that im doing....

what a copy cat!

ahah good job david... bout time you became a man.

[Audi Skate Snow]

.003 inch for piston to wall clearance? I forgot to ask Bob about the clearance for these pistons.

I know the stock clearance was .035mm which is .0014 inch

.005 for those pistons.... when you get the pistons they will say in the directions the clearances they want you to have for them....as well as ring end gap

[dougyfresh]

Its 92.8mm stroke [;)]


QED is good. I can vouch [>_<]. Call Bob or shoot him an email about the tolerances. He knows. He designed those pistons.


I like the direction you changed to. [up] Looking forward to the outcome David.


Sorry, but I highly doubt you'll get $250 for your stock, cast, AMB crank. Mine is sitting at QED but I have no one to buy it.


Definitely need a torque plate. Ask Jordan what happens when you don't use one.


EDIT: There's a guy posting in the B6 A4 Tech section that may have bent valves. Get in touch with him to sell your AMB head.

[Audi Skate Snow]

Its 92.8mm stroke [;)]

Definitely need a torque plate. Ask Jordan what happens when you don't use one.

+1000000

[dougyfresh]

Don't forget to add a fuel pump to that list, David. DTH has them now [up]. Mine is going in this weekend.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Its 92.8mm stroke [;)]

Whoops [:p]



QED is good. I can vouch [>_<]. Call Bob or shoot him an email about the tolerances. He knows. He designed those pistons.


I like the direction you changed to. [up] Looking forward to the outcome David.


Sorry, but I highly doubt you'll get $250 for your stock, cast, AMB crank. Mine is sitting at QED but I have no one to buy it.

Honestly I have no clue what they go for and just threw up a price, I payed $325 for the AEG crank so figured a little less for the amb since it wouldnt be wanted like a 2.0 optioned crank but someone will need it at some point. How about $200?


Definitely need a torque plate. Ask Jordan what happens when you don't use one.


EDIT: There's a guy posting in the B6 A4 Tech section that may have bent valves. Get in touch with him to sell your AMB head.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Don't forget to add a fuel pump to that list, David. DTH has them now [up]. Mine is going in this weekend.

Forgot about that, I have a 034motorsport "040" pump for the B6

[dougyfresh]

here's that guy that may need a cylinder head
http://audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=232666

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Thanks I just posted in the thread. Told him $300 + shipping think that is a good deal?

[A4 TSCHUSS]

How much were you making with your GT3071r?

I never even ran the turbo hard since I was using my GTRS software and to small of injectors. I ran it at 20psi but it was to lean so I cruised around at 17psi.

At 20psi and full timing with Revo my guess would be it would have been right around 290-300whp by the feel of it compared to my gtrs.

[dougyfresh]

Thanks I just posted in the thread. Told him $300 + shipping think that is a good deal?

Yes. That is a killer deal.

[mtbrider]

Very nice

[AudiA4_20T]

Almost positive Bob did mine with .003 clearance and Jake (b5er) did his down to .002 which is sketch but .003 is better IMO

[Audi Skate Snow]

Almost positive Bob did mine with .003 clearance and Jake (b5er) did his down to .002 which is sketch but .003 is better IMO

a forged piston is going to expand more than the stock one (im sure you know this ) . and .002 is way to small... the stock clearances are .0035 im pretty sure.. i can check in our systems.

.004-.005 is going to probably do the trick, but like i said follow the specs that come with the pistons.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Regarding the crank, I paid 100 bucks for a Forged lighter weight AWP crank

[HeymyA4]

Looks like Ike is heading further south as the reports come out.... Hopefully I dont have to put up shutters... But hopefully you guys wont have to evacuate...

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT09/refresh/AL0908W5+gif/025613W_sm.gif

[dirtybrd]

I just hope he doesn't beat us up like he did Tina!

[AudiA4Turbo22]

u got PM

[B6Lovin]

I just hope he doesn't beat us up like he did Tina!

har har har

i almost slapped my knee on that one lol [:p]

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Regarding the crank, I paid 100 bucks for a Forged lighter weight AWP crank

crap, so that thing aint worth shit! I will check if a friend needs a boat anchor [headbang]

[dougyfresh]

crap, so that thing aint worth shit! I will check if a friend needs a boat anchor [headbang]

Exactly.

Turn it into a coffee table stand and put a nice piece of glass ontop.

[alexza4]

I never even ran the turbo hard since I was using my GTRS software and to small of injectors. I ran it at 20psi but it was to lean so I cruised around at 17psi.

At 20psi and full timing with Revo my guess would be it would have been right around 290-300whp by the feel of it compared to my gtrs.

This is tempting, but as usual i'm worried about my torque converter not holding up...
Also does GIAC offer tune for this as well?

[317ssayzarc]

Almost positive Bob did mine with .003 clearance and Jake (b5er) did his down to .002 which is sketch but .003 is better IMO

Did mine to .003" Clint, .002" is nuts... .002" is what I set my main and rod clearances at...

And to the OP, sure they arent 82.5mm Supertechs? Didnt know they made 83mm's? [confused]

[dougyfresh]

And to the OP, sure they arent 82.5mm Supertechs? Didnt know they made 83mm's? [confused]

Bob's got both 82.5mm (in my engine) and 83mm (jordan's engine) SuperTechs

[AudiA4_20T]

Did mine to .003" Clint, .002" is nuts... .002" is what I set my main and rod clearances at...

And to the OP, sure they arent 82.5mm Supertechs? Didnt know they made 83mm's? [confused]

true, im an idiot, either way .005 is way too much

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Did mine to .003" Clint, .002" is nuts... .002" is what I set my main and rod clearances at...

And to the OP, sure they arent 82.5mm Supertechs? Didnt know they made 83mm's? [confused]

They are the 83mm Supertech stroker piston on his site for $600 that he commisioned Supertech to make for him. Yes they are 83mm [;)]

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Bob's got both 82.5mm (in my engine) and 83mm (jordan's engine) SuperTechs

I actually asked him about 82.5mm first for stock stroke since I saw them on Entegrated Engineerings site and he said he didnt have them and wasnt even aware of them for the stock stroke just the stroker 82.5 piston. He was gonna look into it for me but he said he might have an AEG crank which he did so I went that route with the 83mm piston.

[Audi Skate Snow]

Like I said, he should not go off what people are telling him to to do... go off what the piston specification sheet says that comes with your pistons.. and he will be fine :)

[A4 TSCHUSS]

word [:p]

[Audi Skate Snow]

word [:p]

ahahha you still wont make 400 on pump! and by pump no meth injection ;)

[A4 TSCHUSS]

o please, you wait!

[AudiA4_20T]

400awhp on pump is a big goal, but I bet the meth might get you there

[dirtybrd]

David, you should pick up that Forced Perfomance 3076 in the B5 classifieds.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

I already have a Garrett GT3076 from full race in the mail.

[dirtybrd]

Oh. Those FP turbos are sweet.

[AudiA4_20T]

Oh. Those FP turbos are sweet.

that they are, I would have liked to see someone run that, although with our tuning we probably wouldnt take advantage of it for shit

[dougyfresh]

although with our tuning we probably wouldnt take advantage of it for shit

Not everyone. Esp David since he's getting a custom tune. All this talk has been tempting me to ditch my 2871R...

[AudiA4_20T]

Doug I told u to ditch it from the get go lol

[dirtybrd]

that they are, I would have liked to see someone run that, although with our tuning we probably wouldnt take advantage of it for shit

We'll see what happens.[;)]

[Don Supreme]

Not everyone. Esp David since he's getting a custom tune. All this talk has been tempting me to ditch my 2871R...

You didn't really buld up your head, so not much rev room for something really big and 3071 is HARDLY worth your time and money to swap from your 2871.

[AudiA4_20T]

We'll see what happens.[;)]

are you getting one? or are you saying that your tuning will work? is there something im missing? lol

[dirtybrd]

Time will tell.

[B6Lovin]

such cryptic talk from you chris...

spit it out! hahaha.

[317ssayzarc]

I actually asked him about 82.5mm first for stock stroke since I saw them on Entegrated Engineerings site and he said he didnt have them and wasnt even aware of them for the stock stroke just the stroker 82.5 piston. He was gonna look into it for me but he said he might have an AEG crank which he did so I went that route with the 83mm piston.

ahahahahaha... bob saying he might have an AEG crank, the man has cranks by the dozen lined up on the wall near the garage entrance lol... nice to know bout the 83mm, its been a while since ive gone piston shopping

[A4 TSCHUSS]

He said he had like 30 cranks but he would have to look through them to see if there was an AEG there and if it was good, which yes he did end up having.

[dougyfresh]

He said he had like 30 cranks but he would have to look through them to see if there was an AEG there and if it was good, which yes he did end up having.

Yeah. There are a TON of cranks laying there (including my AMB), just a matter of whether or not an AEG lies in the bunch. He had one hiding in there for me too. A bunch of blocks floating around too.

[AudiA4_20T]

Yeah. There are a TON of cranks laying there (including my AMB), just a matter of whether or not an AEG lies in the bunch. He had one hiding in there for me too. A bunch of blocks floating around too.

true, Bobs shop is heaven... its like... Bob I need some main bearings, Oh and thrust washers, O and a rear main, O and a big bore headgasket....

And its all there... No 2 day wait from the dealer, fantastic

[A4ringedONE8T]

Figured I would add it here since this is the most recent discussion for the power hungry. Finally had my first experience with a built AEB head with 3658 CAT's. My thoughts in short, haha sucks ... To give some details, 01' AMU TT, built 1.8 bottom, QED Stage 3 head with CAT 3658's, Pag Parts V-Band 3076R, Tial 38 WG, Dahlback intake manifold, Precision 750 core with 2.5" piping, Tial 50 BOV, Tapp 1000cc, 3.5" S4 MAF, Devils Own W/M

Has HORRIBLE lower end, spool is so f'in slow its ridiculous, 18psi around 4400-4500. Dont feel the cams whatsoever until about 6k. After driving the car for about 300 miles to get it broken in, it was a pleasure to get back in my car. Power is much smoother, boosts way sooner and doesnt feel vtech'ish when the cams actually start to do something.

Overall, I was expecting to hate my car after finishing and getting to drive this TT and I was disppointed in the results for sure. We built a TT a few months ago with the same turbo setup, except using the stock head. It hit 25psi by 3900, had torque like crazy down low, and still pulled all the way past 7k. Im sure the peak HP number up top on the built head TT is higher but damn does it sacrifice ALOT down low and in spool. Makes me feel better than I cant afford to build a head right now!!!!

[dirtybrd]

Weird, mine is nothing like that. My 3658s come on about the same time full boost does. I know because I've run it on virtually no boost but could feel the cams come on about 4k.

[CO AVANT]

Bob used .004" clearance on my supertech pistons iirc.

Here is a .005" bore with JE pistons, not using a torque plate in the boring process (1500 miles)...
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/368IMG_0359.JPG

There is a reason I went with a small port head at this elevation. I wouldn't want to think what a cam'd AEB head with bigger 3076R would spool at up here (on a B6, thx Mike [;)]) ... I like to keep air velocity high. I still like the low end power.

Congrats David, thing is gonna be a beast. Was wondering why you hadn't stepped up to the plate yet [>_<]

[A4ringedONE8T]

Weird, mine is nothing like that. My 3658s come on about the same time full boost does. I know because I've run it on virtually no boost but could feel the came come on about 4k.

You also have a 2.0l to add a bit more flow. With the done up head, you lose alot of velocity through all the ports

[A4 TSCHUSS]

I think my shit is gonna be a screamer [:D] especially with my custom tune. Not to much longer and we will find out!

[dirtybrd]

You aren't allowed to change your garage until it runs!!

[dougyfresh]

You aren't allowed to change your garage until it runs!!

I Second that!

[dirtybrd]

Or your sig.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

lol

[dirtybrd]

We're not kiddin!

[CO AVANT]

even Mike was giving me shit about my sig when my car was down between my 1st and 2nd 2.0L build. Tough crowd around here lol... [>_<]

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Im leaving it!

[dirtybrd]

If I had a 2.7tt swap in the garage but it wasn't done I couldn't claim it until it was done.

[dirtybrd]

Are you this premature in bed?

[317ssayzarc]

Are you this premature in bed?

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/sardonic.gif

[A4 TSCHUSS]

yes [:(]

[dirtybrd]

Nevermind then, you can keep it there. You got enough problems!

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Im gonna come through Lakeland on my way to Jax too and smoke your ass! [:D]

[dirtybrd]

Im gonna come through Lakeland on my way to Jax too and smoke your ass! [:D]

Smoke my ass? Spoken just like a guy from the Keys!

[A4 TSCHUSS]

how many times do I have to tell you people I DONT LIVE IN KEY WEST!!!!!

[dirtybrd]

Close enough...homo.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Haha, ok whatever! I will live in North Florida in like 2-3 weeks so I wont be gay anymore.

[dirtybrd]

Once you go gay, that's how you stay. HAHA!

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Good thing I never went gay then!

[dirtybrd]

Are you running up I-75 to J-ville?

[A4 TSCHUSS]

No way, Turnpike to I-95 in Ft. Pierce. So much longer if I went up I-75. I wont be coming by Lakeland.

[dirtybrd]

If you know what's best for you.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

haha, I dont want to embarrass you!

[dougyfresh]

How long do you think it'll take your 'tuner' to tune your car once its back together and rings broken-in?

[A4ringedONE8T]

haha, yea you're not allowed to post your setup until you rebuild it for the 2nd time!

[A4 TSCHUSS]

he said to let me know as soon as the car was put back together and he would give me the 1st file and then I would datalog and send it to him and then begin going from there. Depending on how much time we both have to run the car datalog then send the files to him for him to tweak and send back it could be a few days.

I found out the machine shop doesnt have a torque plate for my car today so I am gonna be renting one but it isnt available at the moment, hopefully it makes its way back from California soon so I can get the damn block bored.

[Don Supreme]

Or your sig.

I never freakin' get that!

2.4L Gt50r, WTF? Just because you clicked the order button on the website doesn't mean your car is automatically making 750 WHP !

As someone else said on another forum (EdsGTI) there is a BIG difference between "I am doing that" and "I have done that"..... big big difference.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

so what you are saying is you doubt my car is gonna run [confused]. I am quite capable of putting my car back together so I dont see the difference of the engine sitting on a table or it sitting in my car if I have the parts.

[Don Supreme]

Figured I would add it here since this is the most recent discussion for the power hungry. Finally had my first experience with a built AEB head with 3658 CAT's. My thoughts in short, haha sucks ... To give some details, 01' AMU TT, built 1.8 bottom, QED Stage 3 head with CAT 3658's, Pag Parts V-Band 3076R, Tial 38 WG, Dahlback intake manifold, Precision 750 core with 2.5" piping, Tial 50 BOV, Tapp 1000cc, 3.5" S4 MAF, Devils Own W/M

Has HORRIBLE lower end, spool is so f'in slow its ridiculous, 18psi around 4400-4500. Dont feel the cams whatsoever until about 6k. After driving the car for about 300 miles to get it broken in, it was a pleasure to get back in my car. Power is much smoother, boosts way sooner and doesnt feel vtech'ish when the cams actually start to do something.

Overall, I was expecting to hate my car after finishing and getting to drive this TT and I was disppointed in the results for sure. We built a TT a few months ago with the same turbo setup, except using the stock head. It hit 25psi by 3900, had torque like crazy down low, and still pulled all the way past 7k. Im sure the peak HP number up top on the built head TT is higher but damn does it sacrifice ALOT down low and in spool. Makes me feel better than I cant afford to build a head right now!!!!

A couple questions:
1. Are you sure it had the 3658s and not the 3652s??? 100% sure?
2. How much boost while you drove it?
3. Dhalback intake mani [down] (not a question [>_<])

[Don Supreme]

so what you are saying is you doubt my car is gonna run [confused]. I am quite capable of putting my car back together so I dont see the difference of the engine sitting on a table or it sitting in my car if I have the parts.

I hope that it does run, just as I hope my car runs when I put it back together. I am currently having my engine built, so I am in a very similar situation.... except I am not a baller like you so I am only building a 1.8....

I have a lot of money into this thing, parts and labor. I am trying to mitigate the risk of failure in everyway I can feasibly afford to.

I have done this by:
1. Lot of planning, research, learning from the experiences of myself and others.
2. Dropping too much coin on the right parts for the job!

I am a little worried that you went head first into this build without really thinking all the way through and then doing a 180 half way into it. The good news is your changes have been for the better and for the most part you are on the right path.

Just remember there were so many failures before successes:
1. Mike Hood – has probably had his engine rebuild 2-3 times
2. Condo – Rebuild
3. Don Supreme – Rebuild
4. A4Ringedxxx – Rebuild
5. AudiA420t(Clint) – Rebuild
6. Co Avant – Rebuild
7. NAudi(HTA gt3076r b5) – Rebuild
8. etc, etc, etc

Not one of these guys lost a motor to throwing a rod, but more subtle issues associated with mild - serious builds (assembly/machining procedures, tuning, clearances, break in, etc, etc). We can only hope at this point that we can learn from past mistakes and begin making BIG reliable power from these cars.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Well I am using rod and main bearings recommended by Bob @ QED with more clearance so I dont see an issue in that department of spinning a bearing due to not enough clearance. That seemed to be an issue with a few of the troubled motors. I will have a torque plate installed when my block is bored, I have quality Pauter rods and Bob's Supertech stroker piston, I have quality Schrick cams so I dont see me cheaping out on anything and all my gaskets and seals (crank front and rear, etc) will be new as well, as well as all new bolts for mains and flywheel and crank, head, etc.

[dirtybrd]

I believe David has the know how and patience to do it correctly...even if he's a pole smoker. J/K. He definitely has the parts.

[A4ringedONE8T]

A couple questions:
1. Are you sure it had the 3658s and not the 3652s??? 100% sure?
2. How much boost while you drove it?
3. Dhalback intake mani [down] (not a question [>_<])

1. They were brought to us by the customer but thats what I was told
2. 18
3. I know, again customer specified

[Audi_Chick]

I believe David has the know how and patience to do it correctly...even if he's a pole smoker.


I don't know about that.. last night would prove differently [wrench]

[dirtybrd]

David, you're going to have the rotating assembly balanced, correct?

[A4 TSCHUSS]

yeah

[dirtybrd]

What flywheel?

[A4ringedONE8T]

Well I am using rod and main bearings recommended by Bob @ QED with more clearance so I dont see an issue in that department of spinning a bearing due to not enough clearance. That seemed to be an issue with a few of the troubled motors. I will have a torque plate installed when my block is bored, I have quality Pauter rods and Bob's Supertech stroker piston, I have quality Schrick cams so I dont see me cheaping out on anything and all my gaskets and seals (crank front and rear, etc) will be new as well, as well as all new bolts for mains and flywheel and crank, head, etc.

I believe Im the only person to have spun a rod bearing and it was not due to any install problems. I had 10k miles on the bottom end before that happened, clearly not something from the build. Im 90% certain my oil pump went out or lost pressure for long enough to overheat the bearing. The other 10% is possibly a faulty bearing, again nothing that was within my power. Shit happens, its been proven to happen, so be prepared!

[A4 TSCHUSS]

I am using the stock dual mass again and a South Bend FE SS with a pressure plate mod done to produce more holding power. I hate the chatter of the aftermarket flywheels so I dont want to go the lightweight route.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

I believe Im the only person to have spun a rod bearing and it was not due to any install problems. I had 10k miles on the bottom end before that happened, clearly not something from the build. Im 90% certain my oil pump went out or lost pressure for long enough to overheat the bearing. The other 10% is possibly a faulty bearing, again nothing that was within my power. Shit happens, its been proven to happen, so be prepared!

Pretty sure Co Avant had a spun bearing as well.

[CO AVANT]

I hope yours doesn't do what mine and Greg's did. welded clutch disc to flywheel FTMFL [down]

I did not like the gear noise at idle or the chatter in low rpms under load with my 16lb steel fly.....but it sure did rev the engine quick. I'm gonna grab a twin plate setup from Greg sometime here in the future...

I spun a rod bearing which was my cause of failure. OEM bearings were installed though and not the 225TT bearings with locking tabs. (I now run Calico bearings) That is why when I spun the crank to 8K it spun the bearing too...

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb103/coavant/IMG_0369.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb103/coavant/IMG_0372.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb103/coavant/IMG_0379.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb103/coavant/IMG_0368.jpg

[A4 TSCHUSS]

With the FE you had that problem? The OFE I had before had Feramic on the flywheel side and I had no problem for 30,000 miles. The Organic side of the disk started to seperate. Like 2 weeks before I took the car apart I started hearing a funny noise and it turned out the disk was sliding back and forth on the Organic side.

That twin plate would be nice but upgrading my OFE to the FE and getting the flywheel resurfaced and getting the pressure plate stiffened was all FREE and it would cost me another $1000+ for the twin plate clutch

[CO AVANT]

I understand and that's what southbend told me too since my FE stage 5 was not the beefed up version like eurocode specs. They would also resurface my fly and replace my disc for a minimal cost. Still though.....will it hold is the question. I had 2 perfect launches at sac, spun tires through first after launching at ~5.5K. 1st launch I go to shift into 2nd and spun the clutch. 2nd launch I welded the disc to the flywheel when trying to shift into 2nd. I only ever launched that setup twice ever... had to drop my trans at Greg's buddies house to fix. Thankfully we had Greg, JoJo and his buddy to help out so it went fairly quick with a ghetto die grind to the surfaces so I could get on the road again. This was a clutch/fly that had less than 3500 miles on it. Even Gregs did the same thing with DM fly and OFE disc.

[dirtybrd]

I hope the DMFW holds up. Even with the twin disc clutch you'll get gear rattle. If it's not a DMFW it'll rattle.

[mike-2ptzero]

I am using the stock dual mass again and a South Bend FE SS with a pressure plate mod done to produce more holding power. I hate the chatter of the aftermarket flywheels so I dont want to go the lightweight route.

So they are giving your clutch the Eurocode special treatment, same setup we offer. [>_<]


I hope the DMFW holds up. Even with the twin disc clutch you'll get gear rattle. If it's not a DMFW it'll rattle.

I have yet to hear a twin disk rattle while in gear and moving. They only tend to rattle while the clutch is pushed in since thats when there is no load on the plates.

David's triple plate in his S4 and my friends EVO with the triple plate made no noise while in gear.

[dirtybrd]

I have the Eurocode/SB clutch and it's never slipped, except when I launched it in 2nd gear.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

I understand and that's what southbend told me too since my FE stage 5 was not the beefed up version like eurocode specs. They would also resurface my fly and replace my disc for a minimal cost. Still though.....will it hold is the question. I had 2 perfect launches at sac, spun tires through first after launching at ~5.5K. 1st launch I go to shift into 2nd and spun the clutch. 2nd launch I welded the disc to the flywheel when trying to shift into 2nd. I only ever launched that setup twice ever... had to drop my trans at Greg's buddies house to fix. Thankfully we had Greg, JoJo and his buddy to help out so it went fairly quick with a ghetto die grind to the surfaces so I could get on the road again. This was a clutch/fly that had less than 3500 miles on it. Even Gregs did the same thing with DM fly and OFE disc.

That is weird, like I said the OFE and the FE are the same on the flywheel side and I never had a problem with my OFE and I have done more launches dropping and slipping the clutch than I can remember, easily over 100 and like I said I had 30,000 miles on the clutch when I just took it out.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

So they are giving your clutch the Eurocode special treatment, same setup we offer. [>_<]



I have yet to hear a twin disk rattle while in gear and moving. They only tend to rattle while the clutch is pushed in since thats when there is no load on the plates.

Yes, the Eurocode pressure plate mod. They rate the FE SS to 576 ft/tq so with the pressure plate mod it will be easily over 600, I think that would be strong enough, I dont see me having that much torque.

[Don Supreme]

1. They were brought to us by the customer but thats what I was told
2. 18
3. I know, again customer specified

Your description of the driveability is exactly how I would expect a 3652 cam to drive, but who knows since I have NEVER seen a 3658 dyno which has the same intake cam as the 3652, but I think its the big as 280 exhaust cam from the 3652 that kills all the mid range power(which the 3658 does not share)...

oh well.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Your description of the driveability is exactly how I would expect a 3652 cam to drive, but who knows since I have NEVER seen a 3658 dyno which has the same intake cam as the 3652, but I think its the big as 280 exhaust cam from the 3652 that kills all the mid range power(which the 3658 does not share)...

oh well.

Is there anyway to tell looking at them? Perhaps I was thinking backwards, he has the most aggressive ones, thats the 52's, not 58's?

[CO AVANT]

Yes, the Eurocode pressure plate mod. They rate the FE SS to 576 ft/tq so with the pressure plate mode it will be easily over 600, I think that would be strong enough.

Yeah I thought the "576 ft/tq" they SAY it holds would have been enough too. Obviously it wasn't... The most I was making at that exact moment in time was ~450chp/tq (~90deg). Was making way more power once it got down to 70 deg too....even started to run lean then.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

only way to tell would most likely be to look at the part # on each cam

[Audi Skate Snow]

My Southbend Clutch also heated up and welded to the Flywheel. I went to launch the car at the track and it just stuck into first gear... had to get the car towed.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Yeah I thought the "576 ft/tq" they SAY it holds would have been enough too. Obviously it wasn't... The most I was making at that exact moment in time was ~450chp/tq (~90deg). Was making way more power once it got down to 70 deg too....even started to run lean then.

You had to have some faulty clutch or something!

[A4 TSCHUSS]

My Southbend Clutch also heated up and welded to the Flywheel. I went to launch the car at the track and it just stuck into first gear... had to get the car towed.

That is crazy, I never heard of all these problems. Mine was flawless with massive abuse thrown at it

[CO AVANT]

My Southbend Clutch also heated up and welded to the Flywheel. I went to launch the car at the track and it just stuck into first gear... had to get the car towed.

shit I drove that ish back to Greg's house lol. You sure look/feel like a tool when you have to stop at a light, turn the car off, then turn on while in first gear with your foot off the clutch....and then rev matching just to shift gears. That sucked...

[Audi Skate Snow]

That is crazy, I never heard of all these problems. Mine was flawless with massive abuse thrown at it

I let greg drive my car home from palm springs once, and it happend to him driving my car as well.

[Maverick]

haven't posted for a while, I like this. go big or go home. lol.

[A4ringedONE8T]

haven't posted for a while, I like this. go big or go home. lol.

For his setup the title should be "Go the norm, or go home" 3076R aint big anymore, 35R would fulfill his title however.

Maybe I should sell my 3076R and get a 35R, hmmmm ... [:)]

[AudiA4_20T]

Well I am using rod and main bearings recommended by Bob @ QED with more clearance so I dont see an issue in that department of spinning a bearing due to not enough clearance. That seemed to be an issue with a few of the troubled motors. I will have a torque plate installed when my block is bored, I have quality Pauter rods and Bob's Supertech stroker piston, I have quality Schrick cams so I dont see me cheaping out on anything and all my gaskets and seals (crank front and rear, etc) will be new as well, as well as all new bolts for mains and flywheel and crank, head, etc.

I thought I used the right parts too, and so did Jordan, so did Sean, etc etc... Shit happens... Good luck tho, not having a car for 2 months certainly sucks

[Maverick]

or maybe he can be crazy and do twin scroll GT40series turbo. haha

[A4ringedONE8T]

or maybe he can be crazy and do twin scroll GT40series turbo. haha

Thats a little overkill (except for Mike). I should have just done a 35R when I got the 76, my stupid fault for listening to people [headbang]

[A4 TSCHUSS]

For his setup the title should be "Go the norm, or go home" 3076R aint big anymore, 35R would fulfill his title however.

Maybe I should sell my 3076R and get a 35R, hmmmm ... [:)]

Yes but the difference is I will not be trapping only 1mph faster in the 1/4 with the new turbo than I did with my GTRS [;)] I have confidence that my tune will be good and make nice power.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Yes but the difference is I will not be trapping only 1mph faster in the 1/4 with the new turbo than I did with my GTRS [;)]

You will soon learn the "I told you so" of BAT B6's. Nothing against you though, we were all ignorant before hand on whp wishing. I even think Clint knows this now!

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Like I said, the only way to find out is to wait and see.

[Don Supreme]

Is there anyway to tell looking at them? Perhaps I was thinking backwards, he has the most aggressive ones, thats the 52's, not 58's?

52 are the most aggressive, big top end power - noooo mid range at all.


Regarding how to verify the cam, there maybe some scribbling on the cam chain side of the cam.

Here is a picture of my set (1013658 written on it):
http://www.wisptech.net/images/misc/PistonsNCams_web2.jpg

[Don Supreme]

That is crazy, I never heard of all these problems. Mine was flawless with massive abuse thrown at it

I am on my second southbend as well, but it survived 2 track visits which yielded my 12.1 run with no issues. I am putting it back in when the engine goes in this week, so lets hope it continues to work:

P.S. I am running the stage 4....

[mike-2ptzero]

Like I said, the only way to find out is to wait and see.

What are we waiting for, Jakes dads car to be done?[;)]

[A4 TSCHUSS]

My pistons I believe will be here tomorrow unless shipping is screwed up right now down here from the storm passing by, then I can send them to the machine shop but now I will have to wait to get the torque plate that someone else is currently using, hopefully that gets back soon so then the guy can bore my block and get it back to me. After that I will have the car back together rather quick.

[HTA A4]

For his setup the title should be "Go the norm, or go home" 3076R aint big anymore, 35R would fulfill his title however.

Maybe I should sell my 3076R and get a 35R, hmmmm ... [:)]

Lol It's not big for you anymore. But it is to A LOT of people. Like me, for example! [:D]

[AudiA4_20T]

Thats a little overkill (except for Mike). I should have just done a 35R when I got the 76, my stupid fault for listening to people [headbang]

Shawn, until you can make 400whp with the 30R I wouldnt trade up... 270 just isnt cutting it [:p]


You will soon learn the "I told you so" of BAT B6's. Nothing against you though, we were all ignorant before hand on whp wishing. I even think Clint knows this now!

Lol was I ever saying I would make insane power? Im not planning on anything big with the 50 trim but the S362 will make 450awhp.

Although, you are right about the engine staying together, whatever I learned some stuff this time and it should be right, famous last words lol

[dougyfresh]

Is there anyway to tell looking at them? Perhaps I was thinking backwards, he has the most aggressive ones, thats the 52's, not 58's?

If they came from Bob@QED, which I think all Cat Cams in this country come through, "3652" will be vibra-peened on the backside of the rear cam cogs (for the cam chain).

Here's mine. See the "1013651":
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3217/2755901555_601f35fe42.jpg
EDIT: oops. I didn't see Don Supreme's post just above saying the same thing. I wrote this when I was reading page 4.






I understand and that's what southbend told me too since my FE stage 5 was not the beefed up version like eurocode specs. They would also resurface my fly and replace my disc for a minimal cost. Still though.....will it hold is the question. I had 2 perfect launches at sac, spun tires through first after launching at ~5.5K. 1st launch I go to shift into 2nd and spun the clutch. 2nd launch I welded the disc to the flywheel when trying to shift into 2nd. I only ever launched that setup twice ever... had to drop my trans at Greg's buddies house to fix. Thankfully we had Greg, JoJo and his buddy to help out so it went fairly quick with a ghetto die grind to the surfaces so I could get on the road again. This was a clutch/fly that had less than 3500 miles on it. Even Gregs did the same thing with DM fly and OFE disc.

I am worrying about mine (OFE SS) welding to the flywheel but we won't know until after my car is re-tuned and I go to the track.

[317ssayzarc]

What are we waiting for, Jakes dads car to be done?[;)]

ahahhhahahaha! btw, fab work done on that hunk-o-shit?