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AUDILUX
06-05-2008, 07:39 AM
Ford and GM Show
Gains in Quality Survey
By JEFF BENNETT and NEAL E. BOUDETTE
June 5, 2008; Page B3

Three auto makers often vaunted for their quality -- Toyota Motor Corp.'s Lexus brand, Honda Motor Co. and BMW AG -- all suffered setbacks in a closely watched study, while Ford Motor Co. and General Motors Corp. again narrowed the gap with their rivals.

In other results, all three brands owned by Chrysler LLC scored below the industry average, and its Jeep brand was last -- underscoring the challenge facing Cerberus Capital Management LP, the private-equity group that bought a controlling stake in the auto maker last year.

The J.D. Power & Associates annual Initial Quality Study, which was released Wednesday, often influences the perceptions of consumers. High rankings give auto makers grounds for boasts in advertising and marketing.

The survey provides a snapshot of troubles new-car buyers encounter in the first 90 days of ownership. Problems can range from wind noise to transmission failures.

For the third year in a row, sports-car maker Porsche AG won the top spot, registering 87 complaints for every 100 vehicles. The study surveys thousands of users on their experiences in the first three months they own new cars.

Nissan Motor Co.'s Infiniti brand leapt to No. 2 from No. 9 in 2007. That pushed luxury-car maker Lexus to a No. 3 ranking. Lexus had held the top spot for five years before finishing second to Porsche in 2006 and 2007. Daimler AG's Mercedes-Benz and Toyota tied for fourth.

Ford's Mercury, at sixth, was the top-ranked American brand, followed by Honda, which fell to the seventh-best score from fourth a year ago.

Still, Honda, with 110 customer issues per 100 vehicles, scored well above the industry average of 118. Others that beat the industry average included Ford and its Lincoln brand, Jaguar, Audi, and GM's Cadillac, Chevrolet, Pontiac and Buick nameplates.

One make that was below average: BMW, the German luxury brand that had ranked near the top in previous J.D. Power studies. BMW's customer complaints increased to 126 per 100 vehicles, from 120 in 2007. BMW's Mini brand didn't fare well, either. It was second to last after Jeep.

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Except for Chrysler, domestic makes largely showed further improvement. Seven Ford and GM makes were above average; two years ago they had four.

It can take a while for improved scores to change consumer perceptions. Despite improvements in vehicle-quality ratings in recent years, the U.S. auto makers continue struggling to overcome the assumption among many American buyers that foreign companies produce better products.

Chrysler's Jeep brand had 167 problems per 100 vehicles, six more than last year. Chrysler's Dodge brand was 28th, with 141 problems, followed by the Chrysler brand, with 142. The industry average was 118 problems.

For GM, the GMC, Hummer, Saab and Saturn brands all finished below the industry average. Saturn, which has gone through a significant product revamp in recent years, was the lowest-ranking GM brand, with 157 problems per 100 vehicles.

--Steve Wisnefski contributed to this article.

Write to Jeff Bennett at jeff.bennett@dowjones.com1 and Neal E. Boudette at neal.boudette@wsj.com2

SFA4
06-05-2008, 10:21 AM
That is wierd, because when you go to the J.D. Power website and look at 2008 initial quality ratings by brand BMW ranks better than Audi in 3 of 5 catagories and ties them in the other 2?

AMC
06-05-2008, 10:31 AM
That is wierd, because when you go to the J.D. Power website and look at 2008 initial quality ratings by brand BMW ranks better than Audi in 3 of 5 catagories and ties them in the other 2?

if u like bimmers so much what r u doin here?

audiwop
06-05-2008, 01:54 PM
if u like bimmers so much what r u doin here?

I've been wondering that very same thing for a while now[confused]

SFA4
06-05-2008, 06:03 PM
if u like bimmers so much what r u doin here?


I like the A4/S4 so I have been here gathering info on them, but I can't resist posting when the topic is BMW because I actually know something about them and can contribute.

As far as my post in this thread goes, I was really surprised to read the thread title, so I went right to the JD Pwer website and couldn't confirm the OP comments. The only thing I could find on 2008 Initial Quality ratings had BMW over Audi in 3 of 5 catagories, so I naturally had to post my findings.

Plus the BMW hate is so deep here I just thrive on it a little. [:D]

cerfus
06-06-2008, 01:06 PM
so were getting out rated by ford? thats cool..

MYDWAGON
06-09-2008, 07:01 AM
The study surveys thousands of users on their experiences in the first three months they own new cars.

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Big deal.Why don't they do a survey 10k miles after the warranty is up.To me that would be like voting for president on April 16th

marcus1701
06-10-2008, 09:37 PM
Everyone knows Audi gets a bad rep for quality and when something goes wrong they blame Audi and get upset that they should have never bought an Audi, then they tell their friends and so on. When a BMW breaks down people can dismiss it and figure shit happens just because it's a BMW.

I never care to follow those ratings by J.D. Power and Consumer Reports because Audi owners are biased against their own cars. I must be the only guy with 170,000mi on my 98 A6 which Consumer Reports rated as a ticking time bomb and should be avoided at all cost.....except I have had ZERO electrical issues and I did have to change the head gaskets and seals but that was initially 4 years ago because the previous owner was a younger guy and didn't do any maintenance. But as far as I've seen.... work on the 5 series can be just as costly and X5s....yeesh forget it.

B18b1ex
06-22-2008, 04:27 PM
I like the A4/S4 so I have been here gathering info on them, but I can't resist posting when the topic is BMW because I actually know something about them and can contribute.

As far as my post in this thread goes, I was really surprised to read the thread title, so I went right to the JD Pwer website and couldn't confirm the OP comments. The only thing I could find on 2008 Initial Quality ratings had BMW over Audi in 3 of 5 catagories, so I naturally had to post my findings.

Plus the BMW hate is so deep here I just thrive on it a little. [:D]


Don't take this the wrong way, but it seems to me as if you really did not read or did not understand the title.

The OP did not say Audi had better Quality issues than BMW, he stated the Audi rank went up an BMW's rank went down, that is the truth!

You are so biased to BMW you did not even process what you had read before leaping to a conclusion.

b00st
09-13-2008, 08:39 PM
Don't take this the wrong way, but it seems to me as if you really did not read or did not understand the title.

The OP did not say Audi had better Quality issues than BMW, he stated the Audi rank went up an BMW's rank went down, that is the truth!

You are so biased to BMW you did not even process what you had read before leaping to a conclusion.


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