The 2.8 B5 Transmission Swap DIY

[AudiA4_20T]

Ok guys its not done but I plan on this going pretty quick. Snapped a few pics to show you what I'm working with...

Damn Transmission!

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00388.jpg

Leaking ECS drain plug

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Where it sits, good old lot 2

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Random Shots

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OLD GUY! Check this out, my car locked up in the middle of the road. I think its cause my pin broke on my slave cylinder, heres a pic of what it looked like when I pulled it

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00389.jpg

Car back down ready for next time... So far I have the driveshaft, mount, bellhousing bolts, and slave cylinder out

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00390.jpg

More to come [up]

[dougyfresh]

Awesome! I am looking forward to reading the rest of this.

Thank You!

[eg6siR]

how come you want to put in the B5 trans?

[dougyfresh]

how come you want to put in the B5 trans?

Some lite reading for you:
http://audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2333178#post2333178

[jon102034050]

yeah, i dont get that either... maybe cause its cheaper?

[AudiA4_20T]

yeah, i dont get that either... maybe cause its cheaper?

B5 trans im getting - $100

B6 trans - $1100

also the 2.8 has longer gears for the highway [:)]

anyway the trans will be out tomorrow or tonight

[Tgr_Clw]

I'd love to hear your impressions/comparisons to the B6 1.8T 5-speed once everything is done.

[AudiA4_20T]

I'd love to hear your impressions/comparisons to the B6 1.8T 5-speed once everything is done.

you got it, I like to talk and Ive had a B5 1.8T and B6 1.8T so itll be a good comparison

[mtbrider]

I might have to source a new trans

[AudiA4_20T]

I might have to source a new trans

PM me, is yours done?

[JBM]

Sweet....question though what clutch would you get and what is everything that needs to be swapped out?

[gq9]

Sweet....question though what clutch would you get and what is everything that needs to be swapped out?

+1

I can't wait to hear this story unfold lol.

[AudiA4_20T]

Sweet....question though what clutch would you get and what is everything that needs to be swapped out?

clutch is the same because the engine is the same... Just the rear diff housing and axel hubs need to be switched out, Ill have the trans out tomorrow so youll see [up]

[mtbrider]

^^Pm sent

[absolutegtr]

I wouldnt leave the trans like just being supported my the engine (snub mount to be exact). It cant be doing it much good.

Second off, looking at the pic of the slave cylinder....if you are talking about the little piston that is completely sideways...that is completely normal. Good luck pushing slave cylinder back into the bellhouse now!! My cylinder looked the exact way when i did my clutch and I had such a hardtime (required some muscle, lol) putting the slave back into the bellhouse.

Other than that, props to you for doing it in a parking lot....hell, I know I couldnt! I think my driveway is small!

EDIT** Is this your first time ever pulling the trans in this car? A little tip (especially since teh slave is up and out of the way now)....you can acces the VERY top bellhouse, VERY easily with a 3/8" ratchet with only a 6" extension and the 13mm socket . I used a 2foot long extension when taking it off, but when reinstalling i found out using just a 6" extension works like a charm! More than enough room too!

[AudiA4_20T]

I wouldnt leave the trans like just being supported my the engine (snub mount to be exact). It cant be doing it much good.

Second off, looking at the pic of the slave cylinder....if you are talking about the little piston that is completely sideways...that is completely normal. Good luck pushing slave cylinder back into the bellhouse now!! My cylinder looked the exact way when i did my clutch and I had such a hardtime (required some muscle, lol) putting the slave back into the bellhouse.

Other than that, props to you for doing it in a parking lot....hell, I know I couldnt! I think my driveway is small!

EDIT** Is this your first time ever pulling the trans in this car? A little tip (especially since teh slave is up and out of the way now)....you can acces the VERY top bellhouse, VERY easily with a 3/8" ratchet with only a 6" extension and the 13mm socket . I used a 2foot long extension when taking it off, but when reinstalling i found out using just a 6" extension works like a charm! More than enough room too!

lol no this is the 3rd time im removing that bolt, and its a 16mm socket [up]

anyway I left the bellhousing bolts pretty much in so its not a big deal. Its supported by the engine, driveshaft, and the axles. Tomorrow the axles come out and then the bellhousing bolts and linkage and shes out [up]

anyway, your pin was able to come out and swing around? like seriously that pin is not connected to anything, just the boot. IIRC when I took it out last time it was stiff?

[absolutegtr]

lol no this is the 3rd time im removing that bolt, and its a 16mm socket [up]

anyway I left the bellhousing bolts pretty much in so its not a big deal. Its supported by the engine, driveshaft, and the axles. Tomorrow the axles come out and then the bellhousing bolts and linkage and shes out [up]

anyway, your pin was able to come out and swing around? like seriously that pin is not connected to anything, just the boot. IIRC when I took it out last time it was stiff?

[:p] Sorry wrong button on the keypad!! 16mm definetly not 13mm haha

Honestly I am sure that it is fine, and you definetly have done this befoe, lol....but that tranny is hella heavy to resting with the bulk of the weight on the engine.....but whatever!

anyways, yup, you got it! That pin/piston just swung up and around all around. lol...when I first saw it I though I had somehow broken it because when I took it out it was stiff as well, but rearrange the piston (better yet remove the boot) and you will see where that pistion rest into place....totally normal!

[JBM]

I'm looking into this when I pull my engine this summer and clean it out (sludge) and while I am at it I will replace this too because I want better gearing. Did you get your tranny from Crazy Ray's or that place in MD?

I am subscribing because I am very interested in this. Thanks

[AudiA4_20T]

Back up

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00390-1.jpg

Heres whats cool about the way Audi changed the transmission but kept the main case. The third bolt is contained on the rear diff casing just so the main case doens't have to be changed

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And shes out!

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Bellhousing bolts

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Bolts and shit

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This is how I left her

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Cool thing in the subway (visiting my friend in NYC)

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[A4TUNE]

you left the car supported on the trans ? haha

what wheels btw?

[dougyfresh]

You don't F' around!

[mtbrider]

nice

[Papachristou]

i just reached down behind the engine to get the top bellhousing bolt with a wrench

[CARTEL]

haha, what do the people think when they come out to get their cars and you have your transmission laying on the ground?

[Sleepy 1]

...in a parking lot--impressive!

[O2VW1.8T]

WOW i give you major props for doing it in a freakin parking lot. Great job man

[dougyfresh]

It reminds me of when my brother and I put a 5inch lift kit on his Jeep in the school parking lot.

I think its awesome. Way to improvise with the tools & facilities at hand. I know its hard being in school living on campus and all. I've been there and done that.

[AudiA4_20T]

you left the car supported on the trans ? haha

what wheels btw?

Nah its supported by jackstands... and shitty flik arctic 18x8.5s


You don't F' around!

Doug, I thought youd know me by now! This is the norm


nice

Josh I love your comments, theyre always just like 1 word haha


haha, what do the people think when they come out to get their cars and you have your transmission laying on the ground?

Well, I was headed out to the bus after it and I saw my friend and hes like "Dude WTF why is your trans chilling next to your car?" And I was just like "I blew that MF up!" and he just laughed


...in a parking lot--impressive!

its actually quite spacious... and the weather isnt too bad so why not?


WOW i give you major props for doing it in a freakin parking lot. Great job man

Thanks, its cool seeing you check up on my thread. Ive learned a lot from you and a few others over on Vortex [up]

[gruppe5]

yeah, i dont get that either... maybe cause its cheaper?

hey , I have a big mac, you can either pay me $1000 or $100. To be fair I will call one a B5 big mac and the other a B6 big mac. Make sense now??

[Maverick]

Clint, you are crazy! My car looks like yours for a while now, lol. Any people look at me with a weird expression when they see the car or they see me under the car.
rock on baby

[skeeball]

First class as always, Clint. [up] Hey, went down to the yard near my house this morning. No A4's there. I'll have to run over to the other location where they were spotted and verify they are still there.

[dougyfresh]

I know how you roll, Clint. I'm just stating the obvious.

I can't wait for my motor and trans swap. You guys are going to see photos of my AVant in pieces in my driveway and hopefully I can snap a few with some Porsches and S8s and such driving by my house. Haha. I get a kick out of people's reactions when my car is in pieces in my driveway. Most people around here have no idea how to even open up their gas cap.

[AudiA4_20T]

First class as always, Clint. [up] Hey, went down to the yard near my house this morning. No A4's there. I'll have to run over to the other location where they were spotted and verify they are still there.

Dammit! Thanks Dave I hope something is still there!

[skeeball]

Dammit! Thanks Dave I hope something is still there!
I didn't go to Hawkin's Point where they were spotted. I went to a different location. I'll try and check out Hawkin's Point tomorrow. I can pick you up and take you there if it's it's still there.

[AudiA4_20T]

I didn't go to Hawkin's Point where they were spotted. I went to a different location. I'll try and check out Hawkin's Point tomorrow. I can pick you up and take you there if it's it's still there.

Dave, seriously, your awesome. I owe u big time for all this.

[eg6siR]

I know how you roll, Clint. I'm just stating the obvious.

I can't wait for my motor and trans swap. You guys are going to see photos of my AVant in pieces in my driveway and hopefully I can snap a few with some Porsches and S8s and such driving by my house. Haha. I get a kick out of people's reactions when my car is in pieces in my driveway. Most people around here have no idea how to even open up their gas cap.

haha, rofl... you should have seen my neighbors when i had my civic in like 500 pieces in my driveway installing a rollcage... people had to think i was just destroying a car for fun... and its the same in my area... no one knows how to wrench their own rides... everyone around here just buys their shit and pays out the ass for shitty work.

[JBM]

So where's the DIY? I mean the step by step because I am really looking into this when I go BT and drop the whole thing for the clutch.

[AudiA4_20T]

So where's the DIY? I mean the step by step because I am really looking into this when I go BT and drop the whole thing for the clutch.

I have to get the new trans first, I was visiting my friend in NYC this weekend... Im going to see if I can get it tomorrow.

[Don Supreme]

^ NYC??????????????? Who lives a hard life now?

[skeeball]

I don't know if I can make it to Hawkins Point today before they close.

[AudiA4_20T]

I don't know if I can make it to Hawkins Point today before they close.

its cool, I think Im gonna skip classes on Wednesday and go, or maybe just go at 12 when I get out of my important class for the day

[skeeball]

I should be able to swing over there tomorrow since we aren't wrenching on that jetta. It would suck if you borrowed a car to come up and there was no tranny.

[dougyfresh]

It would suck if you borrowed a car to come up and there was no tranny.

Or if there was only one tranny and it had my name on it. [:D] hahaha

[ATW72]

Gruppe5 did the 2.8 B5 swap in my B6 last week. I am very pleased with the gearing on the highway. Getting a lot better gas mileage with the highway driving. Also it didn't hurt the the B5 transmission was $800.00 cheaper than the B6 that I found.

Good luck with you install.

Anthony

[dougyfresh]

Gruppe5 did the 2.8 B5 swap in my B6 last week. I am very pleased with the gearing on the highway. Getting a lot better gas mileage with the highway driving. Also it didn't hurt the the B5 transmission was $800.00 cheaper than the B6 that I found.

Good luck with you install.

Anthony

At 75 or 80mph what does your Engine Tach show with the 2.8 trans now? Did you find your trans local here in CT? PM me if you did. It'll make life easier for me to find something local.

[ATW72]

At 80mph, my RPM's is at 3100. I did find it locally, but you could get it cheaper at another place. I will pm you with the locations.

[absolutegtr]

At 80mph, my RPM's is at 3100. I did find it locally, but you could get it cheaper at another place. I will pm you with the locations.

hmmmm...not as much of a difference as i would have though....

stock 5spd is at 3800 @80 mph

[AudiA4_20T]

hmmmm...not as much of a difference as i would have though....

stock 5spd is at 3800 @80 mph

ummm 700rpms isnt bad...

[ATW72]

hmmmm...not as much of a difference as i would have though....

stock 5spd is at 3800 @80 mph

I use to be at about 4100 @80 with my B6 Transmission.

[My OOOO My]

I know how you roll, Clint. I'm just stating the obvious.

I can't wait for my motor and trans swap. You guys are going to see photos of my AVant in pieces in my driveway and hopefully I can snap a few with some Porsches and S8s and such driving by my house. Haha. I get a kick out of people's reactions when my car is in pieces in my driveway. Most people around here have no idea how to even open up their gas cap.

LOL... on this quote Doug. I get those reactions too. Got two neighbors to come over and 'chat' while I was seafoaming intake this past Saturday.

One guy screamed, "SHUT IT OFF!!! SHUT IT OFF!!! YOUR ENGINE IS ON FIRE!!!" ..... and he was serious as a heart attack.

[audi314]

I use to be at about 4100 @80 with my B6 Transmission.

Thats what I am turning. I bet with that 1k rpm drop you must get about 2-3 mpg (highway) more. Any mpg logging done?

[ATW72]

Thats what I am turning. I bet with that 1k rpm drop you must get about 2-3 mpg (highway) more. Any mpg logging done?

No sorry, haven't performed any mpg logging. I can tell you that I took a trip to New Hampshire last week, which is about 160 miles from me and got there using a little over a 1/4 tank of gas, driving a pretty constant speed of 80-85 mph.

[warning]

Damn, on the parking lot? That's gangstah!!!

[dougyfresh]

At 80mph, my RPM's is at 3100. I did find it locally, but you could get it cheaper at another place. I will pm you with the locations.

That's good. I'm up near 4100 at 80mph too.

And the trans is waay cheaper than new syncros.

[absolutegtr]

That's good. I'm up near 4100 at 80mph too.

And the trans is waay cheaper than new syncros.

How could ours be different?

I know for a FACT that my 5spd cranks out 3800RPM at 80mph

[gruppe5]

How could ours be different?

I know for a FACT that my 5spd cranks out 3800RPM at 80mph

That would probably be dependent on the ratios of YOUR gearbox, they have different codes and different ratios.

[gruppe5]

hmmmm...not as much of a difference as i would have though....

stock 5spd is at 3800 @80 mph

I bet that if I told you that "something" gave you boost 700 rpm earlier, or if you gained 700 rpm before you redlined, you would say different. 700 rpm is a big difference. Try shifting your car 700 rpm earlier in every gear and tell us what the difference is like.

[kolan67]

you are a bada$$

[Mark]

what was the transmission code?

DWM ?

[ATW72]

what was the transmission code?

DWM ?

Yes my transmission code was DWM.

[BigChris]

that is badass!!! especially in your parking lot!!! i just installed my boost gauge in my parking lot and my neighbors walked by looking at me all weird...

anyway... let me know how that runs...

[AudiA4_20T]

should be going tomorrow to get the trans (fingers crossed)

[skeeball]

Good news, Clint!

Ouch! An Audizine brother.
http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/98898/crazyrays1.jpg

Someone got that pesky engine out of your way.
http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/98898/crazyrays2.jpg

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/98898/crazyrays3.jpg

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/98898/crazyrays4.jpg

Here is the other car. Engine and trans in tact.
http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/98898/crazyrays5.jpg

[dougyfresh]

So, What do you think Clint? One of those is mine?? I'll pay you to get it out of the car for me.

That 2nd picture looks like a FWD trans.

[skeeball]

You know, I was in a hurry to get to work and forgot to make sure they were both quattros. Not that I was going to be crawling around on the ground the way I was dressed anyway. [:)]

[dougyfresh]

At least you were nice enough to go out there and check 'em out for Clint. Thanks! [up][up]

[skeeball]

No prob. Hope it helps both of you.

[dougyfresh]

Oh, Clint. If you pick up a trans for me I can pick it up either in NJ or MD on Sunday the 20th.

[audi314]

I should start looking for a new tranny and swap it in when I do my clutch! Only a few hundred $ more.

[absolutegtr]

I bet that if I told you that "something" gave you boost 700 rpm earlier, or if you gained 700 rpm before you redlined, you would say different. 700 rpm is a big difference. Try shifting your car 700 rpm earlier in every gear and tell us what the difference is like.

I never said 700 "extra" RPM's were worhless...way to take my words out of context [up]

I just ASSUMED that it would yield more than just a drop of 700 rpm...thats all [;)]

[dougyfresh]

Here is the other car. Engine and trans in tact.
http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/98898/crazyrays5.jpg


If this car is still there tomorrow. Can you cut that head light washer line off the windshield washer reservoir? I need the white connector on the end of that line. The end that would attach to the bumper.

[Don Supreme]

Good Stuff.

Clint... it looks like both head are on it, but the right one is missing the valve cover or something.

[cjslapshot]

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00394.jpg
where have I seen this before? haha

GL with everything man. I hope you can make it up for show and go.

[CARTEL]

How's the parking lot treating you these days Clint?

Oh, and Dougy, you should buy these (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196396)

do it, do it.

[skeeball]

^^ I agree. You should totally buy those.

[dougyfresh]

How's the parking lot treating you these days Clint?

Oh, and Dougy, you should buy these (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196396)

do it, do it.

So tempting but I'm in the middle of an engine build....

If you know anyone who wants to buy my full suspension mountain bike then I'll buy suspension for the AVant.

[cjslapshot]

update?

[AudiA4_20T]

How's the parking lot treating you these days Clint?

Oh, and Dougy, you should buy these (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196396)

do it, do it.

Funny! [evilmad]


update?

Reilly, I texted u today u bum

Expect some pics tomorrow [up]

[dirtybrd]

If the coolant temp sensor is the same as our cars, can you cut off the plug and as much harness as you can for me. I'll gladly pay you!

[AudiA4_20T]

If the coolant temp sensor is the same as our cars, can you cut off the plug and as much harness as you can for me. I'll gladly pay you!

from which car? the 2.8? Chris that sensor is pretty cheap lol

[skeeball]

He wants the harness, not the sensor itself.

[dirtybrd]

Yes, just the harness if it's the same as the 1.8t's.

[skeeball]

It should be. I think that ECT is shared across a bunch of platforms.

[AudiA4_20T]

alrite good deal Ill get it when I go

[cjslapshot]

Funny! [evilmad]



Reilly, I texted u today u bum

Expect some pics tomorrow [up]

phone is busted.. getting it back today. [headbang]

[dirtybrd]

alrite good deal Ill get it when I go

Thank you kind sir!

[gq9]

hmmmm...not as much of a difference as i would have though....

stock 5spd is at 3800 @80 mph

Def not correct.

[JBM]

yeah that is correct.

[dirtybrd]

My 5spd is 4k @ 80.

[JBM]

you aren't stock, that is the reason

[Capt. Obvious]

So wait, let me get this straight here:

The 5-speed tranny from a B5 2.8 just bolts right in? [confused]
Axles, speedo sensors, etc.? What about the transfer case, do you need that, or just the tranny?

Also, what about the 6 speed from a B5 S4?

[absolutegtr]

Def not correct.

LOL...how can you tell me? I cruise to school EVERYDAY at 80mph and the RPM needle is right at 3800 [rolleyes]

Its obvious the gearing in our cars vary...why I would not know...but obviously they do

[AudiA4_20T]

So wait, let me get this straight here:

The 5-speed tranny from a B5 2.8 just bolts right in? [confused]
Axles, speedo sensors, etc.? What about the transfer case, do you need that, or just the tranny?

Also, what about the 6 speed from a B5 S4?

Capt. hang on, I will show you, me and Dave (skeeball) went today and those ******s made us leave when every single bolt was out of the trans and I just had to bring it to the desk [headbang]

Im gonna do a little more work 2nite if I get the chance

[gruppe5]

I never said 700 "extra" RPM's were worhless...way to take my words out of context [up]

I just ASSUMED that it would yield more than just a drop of 700 rpm...thats all [;)]


Well then how much did you " ASSUME" it would drop?? When you make a comment such as yours please expect people to "ASSUME" what you imply.

[gq9]

LOL...how can you tell me? I cruise to school EVERYDAY at 80mph and the RPM needle is right at 3800 [rolleyes]

Its obvious the gearing in our cars vary...why I would not know...but obviously they do

Very true. As someone else said. I'm at 4k @ 80mph. Indeed not stock, but who is.. that would do this [:p]

[absolutegtr]

Very true. As someone else said. I'm at 4k @ 80mph. Indeed not stock, but who is.. that would do this [:p]

I guess haveing your car chipped/k04 will affect your crusing rpm...hmm [confused]

you see, i am 100% stock engine wise

[infernocl]

all the B6 1.8tqm transmissions have same gearing, it is the lousy speedo that reads differently, they can vary and read high up to 8%

[AudiA4_20T]

seriously, engine mods dont change the mechanical gears, think about it

[audi314]

well lets also not forget what size wheels/tires people are running either. Different sizes will alter the speedo reading.

[skeeball]

Capt. hang on, I will show you, me and Dave (skeeball) went today and those ******s made us leave when every single bolt was out of the trans and I just had to bring it to the desk [headbang]

Im gonna do a little more work 2nite if I get the chance
That was f'ing ridiculous. They were about to physically escort us out. [down]

[dougyfresh]

That was f'ing ridiculous. They were about to physically escort us out. [down]

Why? What was going on? Closing?

[AudiA4_20T]

Why? What was going on? Closing?

whats going on is I feel like hell right now but Im walking over to get the car and getting my MF transmission!

[Don Supreme]

whats going on is I feel like hell right now but Im walking over to get the car and getting my MF transmission!

Yeah Yeah !

[GTMRS4]

If I'm cruising down the highway at 80mph im sub 3k in 6th gear

[skeeball]

Doug, I got that white connector. I have to go to work, but I'll take a picture of it later so you can verify it's the right one.

Chris, I was wrong about that sensor. It was different on the 2.8's. They had a 1.8, but whoever grabbed the engine cut the harness right at the connector. There was only like 3mm of wire.

[absolutegtr]

so why did you get the boot?

[skeeball]

They were closing. The transmission was literally hanging off the car, one good yank and it would have dropped. There was, like 5 people standing there telling us to get out. They said they wouldn't ring it up even if we walked it up to the register.

[dougyfresh]

Doug, I got that white connector. I have to go to work, but I'll take a picture of it later so you can verify it's the right one.

Thank You! You can either email me (dougyfresh@vt.edu) the photo or post it up here.

Sucks they were closing. Did you see any other 2.8 transmissions?

[skeeball]

There was another one, but it was a 1.8 so the gear ratios wouldn't be any better than what you have.

[dougyfresh]

Okay. I've got some numbers of places around CT I can call. And a buddy of mine in NJ owns a wrecking yard so I'll call him and have him look for me. Still way cheaper than replacing the worn-out syncros in my 5spd.

[Don Supreme]

Update:

Clint went back this morning and finished pulling the tranny.

[dirtybrd]

Thanks for trying. I'll see if VW sells a pigtail and connector.

[AudiA4_20T]

Crazy Rays!

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00399.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00400.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00401.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00402.jpg

Twins Bazel!

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00403.jpg

And a shot of the beautiful weather today

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00404.jpg

[JBM]

so wheres the DIY?

[dougyfresh]

so wheres the DIY?

Clint. The natives are getting restless!





Dave, sent you a PM with my address for that fitting.

[wolfdog]

In the parking lot, Clint? You're so hardcore. I hope the DIY and the semester are going well.




My 5spd is 4k @ 80.

Straight stock (710N, K&N Panel) sport 5 speed:
I think both my needles go vertical at the same time so if I'm not mistaken that's 4k rpm at 80 mph.

[Mark]

nice . . . time to put it in over the weekend I suppose.

How much did the 2.8 5sp cost at the yard? also, just to verify . . . this is a DWM tranny?

[skeeball]

He should be putting it in right now. Or already finished.

[AudiA4_20T]

Clint. The natives are getting restless!





Dave, sent you a PM with my address for that fitting.

sheesh i know...

Round 1 whooped my ass. I figured out that the case as a whole comes out, theres no need to separate it... And then I stripped a bolt [headbang].... Off to home depot!

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00405.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00406.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00407.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00408.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00409.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00410.jpg

[dirtybrd]

So does the mount just swap over, or do you have to swap the tail housing?

[Mark]

looks like the top of the tranny mount doesn't have the correct bolt pattern on the new one. does it? or will you have to exchange the housing from the old to new one?

didn't realize that the plates where the two front CV joints bolt on were different, do they just pop out of the old and swap onto the new one?

[absolutegtr]

looks like the top of the tranny mount doesn't have the correct bolt pattern on the new one. does it? or will you have to exchange the housing from the old to new one?

didn't realize that the plates where the two front CV joints bolt on were different, do they just pop out of the old and swap onto the new one?

Clint wrote earlier that the respective driveaxles were needed. And yes, it looks like the tailhousing will nee to be swapped.

[dirtybrd]

It looks like he's going to swap the axle flanges not the axles.

[Mark]

yeah, looking at the pictures I was wondering if he was going to try and swap the flanges. wasn't sure if that was possible without taking the whole assembly apart.

did he get the 2.8 driveaxles as well?

also looking forward to hearing how the 2.8 5mt shifts. a friend who had an b5 didn't like the feel of the shift, was kinda loose.

[dougyfresh]

Hahaha. You guys are all in suspense!


The DIY is coming! Its super easy! I'm pretty sure the new trans is now ready to go into Clint's car. He'll confirm.






Oh, and I rounded up to 4krpm @ 80mph earlier in this thread. While driving over to Rhode Island today I double checked and my B6 5spd shows 3.8krpm @ 80mph and 3.3krpm @ 70mph

[317ssayzarc]

damn these things are short geared... even my dub is 4k rpms at 90mph... its an a4 autobahn cruiser for christs sake

[AudiA4_20T]

teaser... going to get some food and Ill show what I did... the one in the middle is the 2.8 trans, and yes it is together and has axle hubs

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00416.jpg

[317ssayzarc]

you suck clint... [:p]

[dougyfresh]

Haha. I love the gear oil all over the parking lot!

[absolutegtr]

I cant see how you havent gotten into trouble yet with the campus police!

[Don Supreme]

He better finish up soon.

[CARTEL]

I vote Clint for the award of worst place to do a tranny swap... That's pretty cool man.

[JBM]

^^^ word....

[gq9]

I vote Clint for the award of worst place to do a tranny swap... That's pretty cool man.

+1 lol. It's so crazy seeing that.

[dougyfresh]

Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

Clint is the master of this.

[Don Supreme]

Clint has the most "Can do" attitude I have ever seen.

Me: "Dammit, Clint I need to rebuild my motor"
Clint: "Lets go over to home depot and pull that bitch out in the parking lot"

*lOl*

[dougyfresh]

Clint has the most "Can do" attitude I have ever seen.

Me: "Dammit, Clint I need to rebuild my motor"
Clint: "Lets go over to home depot and pull that bitch out in the parking lot"

*lOl*

Exactly!

[skeeball]

And he does all this stuff with about 8 tools. It's some amazing shit. I once saw him install a whole suspension using only his mind.

[dirtybrd]

Dayyam!

[CARTEL]

Whoa whoa, I think we're going to start seeing Clintisms comparable to those of Chuck Norris.

"Clint changed an entire transmission in a parking lot using only his mind"

LOL

[AudiA4_20T]

4 hours

[skeeball]

He did actually carry the transmission out of Crazy Rays with his bare hands. He don't need no stinking hand truck!

[JBM]

Four hours? Give me everything I need.

[B61.8T]

I am right up the street I should come by and check it out.

[absolutegtr]

4 hours isnt that bad at all.....he says he has done it already.

but yes, a few pages back....look at the pic with his tools off to one side...a small tiny tool box. lol....i need my WHOLE rollaway whenever i work on my car!

[AudiA4_20T]

Ok here goes...

So

A. You blew your tranny with all 170whp of fury (my case), or maybe more
B. Your tired of being at 4k at 80 miles an hour

So you find a 2.8 Trans, I got mine at the junkyard for $95 so I figured Id stick that sucker in. You will notice 2 things when looking at a B5 trans. The cases are EXACTLY the same except for

1. Axle hubs
2. Rear Case

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00405.jpg

Here are the axle hub differences

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00407.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00408.jpg

Here is a shot of the rear cases, B5 on the left, B6 on the right

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00414.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00415.jpg

So obviously you will switch those, this is how

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00411.jpg

I used a prybar, but that got old fast, so I realized a new method. Use a long bolt you have and secure something behind the axle hub. Screw the screw in the axle hub against whatever you used until it starts pulling the hubs out. This is what they will look like

B5 Flange

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00412.jpg

B6 Flange

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00413.jpg

Swap those suckers in and put the trans in

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00417.jpg

and ENJOY!

[dougyfresh]

Whoa hoo! [hail][hail]

Now we just have to find me a transmission before my 2.0L is done being built.

[JBM]

wait? That's it?

You only have to change out the axle hubs? No rear case? Do they still have a tranny a crazy rays? Please tell me b/c Ill pick it up in a heart beat.

-Jared

[abradley]

Wow, amazing thread. Great job Clint. Can't wait to hear how it drives.

[skeeball]

wait? That's it?

You only have to change out the axle hubs? No rear case? Do they still have a tranny a crazy rays? Please tell me b/c Ill pick it up in a heart beat.

-Jared
The only other B5 tranny they have is from a 1.8T so the gearing isn't any better. I'm going to try and drop by on a regular basis, so I will keep an eye out for you and Doug. Clint is so in love with that place, I'm sure he will be watching too. They don't keep inventory and it's constantly changing, so just have to walk the yard every once in a while.

[AudiA4_20T]

wait? That's it?

You only have to change out the axle hubs? No rear case? Do they still have a tranny a crazy rays? Please tell me b/c Ill pick it up in a heart beat.

-Jared

did you read it? you do need to change the rear case as well but its easy... look closer at the pics

[O2VW1.8T]

teaser... going to get some food and Ill show what I did... the one in the middle is the 2.8 trans, and yes it is together and has axle hubs

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00416.jpg

you are one crazy mofo, Thats a big ass mess LOL... Im surprised someone hasn't said anything... great job getting it done.

[martini]

yeah whoever owns that lot would be pissed if they saw the mess you made

props on the hardcore DIY... i did my exhaust on jackstands i my apartment parking lot... i wouldn't do a trans though
http://www.a4mods.com/pics/exhaust/jackstand.jpg

[dirtybrd]

What about the axle flanges?

[AudiA4_20T]

What about the axle flanges?

what about them?

[dirtybrd]

Did you swap them or use B5 axles?

[AudiA4_20T]

swapped them, have you not seen the pictures?

[dirtybrd]

I guess I missed it, pretty straight forward?

[Don Supreme]

I went to go check on Clint's progress, but when I got there all I saw was tire tracks all through the parking lot................. tranny fluid for a coule hundred feet....

Good job Clint.

[old guy]

Damn!!!!! I just checked out this thread in it's entirety. Clint, I am impressed! Nothing like parking lot rebuilds. Nice work!!

[dougyfresh]

The only other B5 tranny they have is from a 1.8T so the gearing isn't any better. I'm going to try and drop by on a regular basis, so I will keep an eye out for you and Doug. Clint is so in love with that place, I'm sure he will be watching too. They don't keep inventory and it's constantly changing, so just have to walk the yard every once in a while.

Thank you Dave. If you find me a trans I may very well by your TrackSports to help you out for helping me out!



The BEST part of this DIY???.... Is the parking lot swap and the oil everywhere! I get a huge laugh everytime I see the pictures. Great job Clint!

My favorite pic:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00416.jpg

[skeeball]

Seriously. Someone buy my coilovers. They will make your car corner like it's on rails. It's sick.

This thread would get even better if Clint posts up the note that was left on his car. [up]

[AudiA4_20T]

Seriously. Someone buy my coilovers. They will make your car corner like it's on rails. It's sick.

This thread would get even better if Clint posts up the note that was left on his car. [up]

its hard to see

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/DSC00418.jpg

It reads "Your vehicle has no front bumper and the transmission was removed. If this was a malicious act contact UMPD"

[absolutegtr]

I would call

[ATW72]

Nice job on the swap.

[dougyfresh]

"malicious act"


Hahaha!

[dirtybrd]

Are you going to tear down the stock trans to find out what failed?

[A4p]

Gangsta work....

[AudiA4_20T]

Are you going to tear down the stock trans to find out what failed?

Im giving it to a friend who has wanted to see the internals of a Quattro trans... ill tell him to post some pics

[Mark]

how does it drive?!? gearing, shifting, etc. . . . [;)]

[AudiA4_20T]

how does it drive?!? gearing, shifting, etc. . . . [;)]

Ive noticed shifting is smoother, but the longer gears are kind of annoying... I need a LONG stretch of road now to wind it out... My car died again because I got locked out with the radio on and it took awhile to get back in tho, so Im just leaving it for the time being

[Don Supreme]

Is the battery toast or will it hold a new charge?

[AudiA4_20T]

Is the battery toast or will it hold a new charge?

itll hold a charge... wanna help me jump it?

[skeeball]

I've got one of those portable jumpers that I used on my car. Let me know if you want me to come down.

[audi314]

Just to verify, you just swapped the housing? Not the center diff too? Would have been a good time to put in a Status center diff!

[dougyfresh]

Just to verify, you just swapped the housing? Not the center diff too? Would have been a good time to put in a Status center diff!

Do you want to give him the money to buy a STASiS diff? The main point of this swap was 'on the cheap'

[audi314]

^^ Well yes, for Clint. I was thinking more along the lines for me!

[AudiA4_20T]

Do you want to give him the money to buy a STASiS diff? The main point of this swap was 'on the cheap'

lol well with the new discovery of those washers it could be fun, but the guy Im giving it to is going to use it as a project to do the washer thing

[mtbrider]

nice work...if you source another trans I'll probably have you do the swap

[AudiA4_20T]

nice work...if you source another trans I'll probably have you do the swap

true, I may sell mine soon, I dont know if I can get used to long gears... That 1.8T trans is still there hmmm

[dougyfresh]

Washers are where it's at. That is my plan.

Don't like those long gears? Is it that noticeable? Its only in 4th and 5th right? Shit. I only use 4th and 5th on the highway. 2.8 trans still sounds like a good route for me.

[wolfdog]

it's just different. He may wind up loving it.

[audi314]

it may take a little time to get used to it. I am interested to see how the powerband/boost lines up with the new gearing.

[AudiA4_20T]

true, well I pretty much have a non existent powerband with the ER Comp/2.0/K03 combo I have going... Im sure a nice 25psi pull on a BAT in 3rd would be nice with the longer gears... I may just go and grab that other trans from the junkyard for a spare/track trans

[AudiA4_20T]

Update: Did some highway driving today...

80mph = 3300-3400rpms

The car definitely pulls I just need more open road to wind out gears

That is all

[audi314]

are you liking it any better or still eh?

[JBM]

true, well I pretty much have a non existent powerband with the ER Comp/2.0/K03 combo I have going... Im sure a nice 25psi pull on a BAT in 3rd would be nice with the longer gears... I may just go and grab that other trans from the junkyard for a spare/track trans

If you grab that I might take it off your hands this summer. BTW did you build your block or who did it? I'm looking for a 2.0 build for a GT2867 or GT30. Thanks
-Jared

[AudiA4_20T]

If you grab that I might take it off your hands this summer. BTW did you build your block or who did it? I'm looking for a 2.0 build for a GT2867 or GT30. Thanks
-Jared

Do you want it now? Ill go take it out and give it to you for like $200... the $100 will be for labor...

And I built my block... there is an EXTENSIVE thread on it search my posts

[dougyfresh]

Clint.
I think he wants your 2.8L transmission....

[AudiA4_20T]

who knows... damn im so hammered right now..........

wooooooo

[Don Supreme]

^450 on pump now huh?

What about 400+?

[AudiA4_20T]

^450 on pump now huh?

What about 400+?

eh, 400 is old news, the S362 put down 500+ wheel on that 2.0L racecar at 24psi so I figured 450whp is a decent goal

[Don Supreme]

Still just 400 for me...........

1.8 tranny FTW though [:d] !!

[AB18]

I liked my 2.8 trans in my B5 1.8T. I could run 14.3s all day long with it with Awe's k04 kit.

[audi314]

did we ever figure out if the B5 S4 trans will fit? Would it require the same stuff to swap?

[dougyfresh]

did we ever figure out if the B5 S4 trans will fit? Would it require the same stuff to swap?

I thought that transmission is the same as the 6spd that comes in the B6 1.8T.










You guys find me a 2.8L transmission yet? I emailed my buddy in NJ. He's keeping an eye out for me.

[CO AVANT]

B6S4 tranny or nothing Doug [:D] j/k, I know how expensive those are used. I tried to find one last year but could not find anything for under $4K with everything I needed to swap.

I see 2.8 trans all the time on the salvage websites...

[audi314]

what salvage sites? maybe I can find a decent one.

[dougyfresh]

B6S4 tranny or nothing Doug [:D] j/k, I know how expensive those are used. I tried to find one last year but could not find anything for under $4K with everything I needed to swap.

I see 2.8 trans all the time on the salvage websites...

Yeah. that was a goal a while ago until I realized the $$ involved. I'd rather replace the syncros in my 1.8 5spd trans first. If you see any 2.8s email (dougyfresh@vt.edu) a link to me. I really should be looking and calling but am too busy right now.

[audi314]

is all the linkage the same between the 5 and 6 speed? I am sure that the shifter is different. I wonder if the B6 6speed shifter can be used.

[dougyfresh]

is all the linkage the same between the 5 and 6 speed? I am sure that the shifter is different. I wonder if the B6 6speed shifter can be used.

Nope. The linkage is different. If you source a 6spd get the linkage from the shifter down to the trans. All of it. You'll save yourself the hassle.

[skeeball]

is all the linkage the same between the 5 and 6 speed? I am sure that the shifter is different. I wonder if the B6 6speed shifter can be used.
Where are you going to get one? They are difficult to find and crazy expensive.

[317ssayzarc]

btw, the b5s4 tranny is different than the b6 a4 6 speed tranny... and the b6s4 tranny is a different tranny again... some have different final drive ratios, so you'd need to swap the rear diff too... keep it simple guys [;)]

[CO AVANT]

btw, the b5s4 tranny is different than the b6 a4 6 speed tranny... and the b6s4 tranny is a different tranny again... some have different final drive ratios, so you'd need to swap the rear diff too... keep it simple guys [;)]


Hence the $4K+ bill for a used one with all the associated parts to swap...

[dougyfresh]

Hence why I'm focusing on a 2.8L 5spd. I figure the taller gears will be fine for me. My friend's 1.8 Golf had a taller 5th gear (out of a TDI) and I liked how that drove. For me, its perfect since I'm all highway. hahah. Liter o'Cola anyone?

[CO AVANT]

Do we have liter cola?

[dougyfresh]

That's alright. My car will have wings...

[AudiA4_20T]

... so confused

[dougyfresh]

... so confused

Go watch a certain movie that is set to take place in Vermont.

[cjslapshot]

true, I may sell mine soon, I dont know if I can get used to long gears... That 1.8T trans is still there hmmm


just hold on to it bro... you'll be flying through those gears with a BT and driving down the shore/ back to school will be alot easier with the longer gears.

[AudiA4_20T]

Ok I have another 2.8 Transmission for sale $400 and I can do the swap for you for more $$

[absolutegtr]

Out of what year?

[AudiA4_20T]

Out of what year?

Hmmm I forget... 98 Im gonna say

[GarbatyA4]

[hail] THANK YOU SO MUCH [hail]

I've been looking for this, you are the man. Awesome job, I give you mad props for doing it in the parking lot. Read the whole thread. Wicked.

I'm getting me a 2.8L Trans. cuz my GT2871R needs it :D

Cheers Everyone!

Good Job Clint!

[wrench]

[red_rock_beetle]

b6 6 speed into a b6 5 speed?
worth it?

[Frey7190]

You actually feel comftrable leaving your car bumperless in a college parking lot?? Dont you know what they could all do?? They could take those nice E-codes and ABT grill in a jiff... Not to mention the intercooler and other parts...

Is it even legal to work on your car in a parking lot??

[infernocl]

B6 6spd final drive is 4.111 same as B5 S4, also same 01E numbers
B6 5spd and B5 5spd have 3.89 final drive
B7 A4 and B6/7 S4 6spd have 3.89 final drive

swapping a B6 6spd or B5 S4 into a 5spd will require a new rear diff

B7 2.0t 6pd has lowest gearing for hwy crusing ~88mph/3000rpm, even the 5th in 2.0t is longer than 1.8t 5spd trans

B5 V6 in 5th is the same gearing as B6 in 6th gear ~75mph/3000rpm
B5 1.8t gearing is a bit longer than B6 5spd, ~200rpm drop at 65mph.

[red_rock_beetle]

so will a b7 2.0t 6 speed and rear diff fit an 02 a4 wit a 5 speed

[dougyfresh]

so will a b7 2.0t 6 speed and rear diff fit an 02 a4 wit a 5 speed

I think so, but don't quote me.

It'll be cheaper to swap the 5th gear out for a European TDI 5th gear. That is my plan in the future. I can then go back to my 1.8T trans (have a 2.8 now) and have an overdrive 5th gear yet still haul ass through gears 1-4 since they are shorter than the 2.8.

[AudiA4_20T]

[hail] THANK YOU SO MUCH [hail]

I've been looking for this, you are the man. Awesome job, I give you mad props for doing it in the parking lot. Read the whole thread. Wicked.

I'm getting me a 2.8L Trans. cuz my GT2871R needs it :D

Cheers Everyone!

Good Job Clint!

[wrench]

No doubt, glad I could help


You actually feel comftrable leaving your car bumperless in a college parking lot?? Dont you know what they could all do?? They could take those nice E-codes and ABT grill in a jiff... Not to mention the intercooler and other parts...

Is it even legal to work on your car in a parking lot??

No I dont. I know what "they" could do, but I had no money to get a bumper or anything at that time. Its probably illegal to do what I did, but I needed to get my car going again, and I did for ~$150


so will a b7 2.0t 6 speed and rear diff fit an 02 a4 wit a 5 speed

Can you get a B7 trans and rear diff? Id imagine youd be paying ~2k+ for just those pieces

[NyteEscape]

wow...i know where you did that...kinda wanna come see it now...

[infernocl]

B7 6spd bolts on stock 5spd rear diff, not sure about the center drive shaft tho

[AudiA4_20T]

B7 6spd bolts on stock 5spd rear diff, not sure about the center drive shaft tho

Looks like the 02X and 01E are both options for what kind of trans the B7 has, Bentley doesn't make it too clear. If its the 01E thats the B5 S4 trans, which would mean that a B7 trans is = to a B5 S4 trans which would be pretty cool. The question is what the 02X trans came in

[red_rock_beetle]

i've been looking at the bentley software and you are right , its not very clear, maybe with further study

[infernocl]

Audi only uses 2 types of CV joints, and the smaller 100mm CVs from 4000s are not found on the A4s thus the center drive shafts and flanges must be the same 108mm CV joints.

all audis share bell housing patterns as well.

if the front fits and rear fits, all you need is linkages.

01E trans part numbers are no longer in B chassis according to ETKA from 05.5, even if it's 01E, the final drive matches the 5spd at 3.889 and CV joints are still the same

of course if someone actually wants to dump a few grand, some precise measurements are needed

[AudiA4_20T]

Audi only uses 2 types of CV joints, and the smaller 100mm CVs from 4000s are not found on the A4s thus the center drive shafts and flanges must be the same 108mm CV joints.

all audis share bell housing patterns as well.

if the front fits and rear fits, all you need is linkages.

your stock axle flanges should just press in like i did with the 2.8... Bellhousings are all the same also...

Linkage shouldnt be a huge deal. Im just curious about what the differences are between the 02x and 01e

[red_rock_beetle]

linkages should be the same if you got everything, shouldnt it?
isn't the B7 just a modified B6 ?

[infernocl]

i *think* 02X is based off diesel

[osofast10]

clint i need to talk to you... check your PM

[Casius]

Are all the 2.8 trannys the same?

[B6Lovin]

from what i understand -- yes

[Casius]

Now to find one...

[AudiA4_20T]

yes

[317ssayzarc]

I have one for sale... Under 60k miles too...

[AudiA4_20T]

steal my thunder muther effer lol

[317ssayzarc]

Just trying to get the damned thing outta my way and put some cash in my pocket...