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[S|Quattro|4]

Alright, so there isnt a Forum for this, and no real thread. So, post anything about F1 here.

Ill start:

WTH is up with this new V6 turbocharged engine running on biofuel?!?! They plan on reducing the HP to 770, which isnt bad compared to the cars this year, but it is compared to the V10s. Also, they want to reduce the redline down to 10,000 from 19,000. So pretty much the new engines will be way quieter than the current ones. IMO F1 is all about these high tech, high revving, loud ass engines. These new engines are pretty much just a beefed up street engines.

[edge19lw]

I agree with you 100&#37; there going to be ruining F1 !!! They are going to be using 4-wheel drive though =)

[quattrotman]

I agree...they keep trying to make it more affordable for other teams and more competitive...what crap. If you can't pay, then don't play. I'm sure NASCAR is looking for more teams. This is supposed to be about the technology not just the racing. I've never had a problem with races being 'boring'. It's no more boring than watching baseball or Golf. I watch F1 for the tech, the strategy, the cars...I don't care if there is tons of passing, etc. The excitment is in the nitty gritty but the are trying to make it more exciting for the casual viewer who knows nothing of the sport. Man, I miss the days when Williams took every race (except with 'no talent' Damon Hill [down] ) with all the driver aids and the cars were making huge HP. Schumi made it interesting because he was sooo technical but they kept changing the rules to keep him and costs down. I just hope it doesn't get screwed up like the CART/IRL thing and ruin F1.

[caniac s4]

I really dont mind that they will take the TC away next year but all the talk of being eco friendly is really insane.

[caniac s4]

I see FIA has opened an investigation against McLaren for breaking F1 sporting code. “The FIA has launched an investigation into incidents involving the McLaren Mercedes team at the 2007 Monaco Grand Prix in light of a possible breach of the International Sporting Code," read a release by F1 monday morning. They were under team orders after the first pit stops. Team orders were banned in 2002 after Reubens was ordered to allow Schumacher to pass for the win at the Austrian GP.

[S|Quattro|4]

Yea I agree with the the FIA. I think Mclaren did use team orders by bringing in Hamilton very early for his second pit stop. He could have clearly kept going for a couple more laps and passed Alonso.

Also, anyword on the Mclaren fishmouth wing? Has any team complained to the FIA about it flexing? You can clearly see that it flexs under pressure.

[caniac s4]

You are right about the new front wing element. I have not seen anywhere that another team has made a protest to FIA or the Stewards at a race but you have to wonder why. It has been shown to flex by the on board TV shots and after all the fuss with flexible wing elements last year you would think another team would protest.

[S|Quattro|4]

^^The wing is going to take a beating at the next races, Canada and Indy. I'll be at Indy for the race, so I'll keep an eye out for any flexing down the stretch, haha.

[caniac s4]

The wing will get a work out on the stretch at Indy for sure. I think the Red cars will be back out front when they come across the pond.

[S|Quattro|4]

has anyone heard about this:

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/06/05/deal_to_help_cut_f1_emissions/

I think that is pretty cool. Will definitly help the overtaking. It'll be interesting to see what they do.

[speedee911]

just want to say this: SENNA IS THE BEST.. waaay better than that cheater Schumacher..

but around these times my favorite driver is Kimi Raikkonen.. fan of his since 2003-2004, can't remember..

[speedee911]

Alright, so there isnt a Forum for this, and no real thread. So, post anything about F1 here.

Ill start:

WTH is up with this new V6 turbocharged engine running on biofuel?!?! They plan on reducing the HP to 770, which isnt bad compared to the cars this year, but it is compared to the V10s. Also, they want to reduce the redline down to 10,000 from 19,000. So pretty much the new engines will be way quieter than the current ones. IMO F1 is all about these high tech, high revving, loud ass engines. These new engines are pretty much just a beefed up street engines.

haha, i'm lucky i'm going to the us grand prix in two weeks.. who knows what the future holds.. i would like to see f1 without restrictions, except in safety.. f1 is about passion.. how can you have a passion for a car that can be 10x as fast, but the idiotic FIA won't allow it to be??? right now i think its ok.. but the more they restrict it, the worse it will be..

even having only 1 tire supplier took some passion and excitement out of f1..

[S|Quattro|4]

I cant believe how Mclaren is over half a second faster then Ferrari. That just does not seem right. And, I cant believe noone has done anything about the Mclaren front wing. It has clearly shown that it was flexing down the straight.

[speedee911]

I cant believe how Mclaren is over half a second faster then Ferrari. That just does not seem right. And, I cant believe noone has done anything about the Mclaren front wing. It has clearly shown that it was flexing down the straight.

i know.. kimi qualified 4th!! noo..! freakin Hamilton has pole? [down] [down]

hey, anybody have direct tv?? what channel is fox sports on?? cuz i can't find it and i wanna watch the canadian GP really bad.. i've already missed a race this season..

[littlewhite]

Love the iceman! Always calm and cool!

holy shit did anyone see the pass by Sato on Alonso?! Badasss

[unknowna4]

Alonso better be crying right now! hahah

[littlewhite]

HAHA ~

Wurz had a very gd race! Nice to see him back up top on podium.

[speedee911]

whoa.. very nice GP in Canada.. sucks for Kimi, but it was an exciting one.. Hope the US GP is just as much fun!!

[S|Quattro|4]

Im pretty pissed. The race was exciting, but that black flag was absurd. If they are that tough on the regulations, then how is Mclaren still able to race the front wing. And, how was Wurz able to continue racing with that rear wing. IMO, that was alot more dangerous then what Felipe and Fisichella did.

Regardles, it was an exciting race.

[CONTROL TWO]

i was ther.. that race was NUTS.. love that shit!! people went crazzzy when sato passed alonso.. goo race for my boy nick in the beemer

btw.. how the fuck was michael schumacher a cheater?? plz explain that retarded statement speedee.............

[quattrotman]

just want to say this: SENNA IS THE BEST.. waaay better than that cheater Schumacher..



I won't take away from what Senna was...he was a great driver in his time and a very gutsy driver but Schumacher a cheater?
I don't get your comment. Besides the questionable win over that loser Damon Hill in Austrailia, the only time he tried something was again Villineuve. BUT, Schumacher has proven, over and over again that he is the greatest driven to ever compete in the sport. Those other drivers faded away to nothing but he excelled throughout his entire career. You don't break EVERY record in a sport by cheating. Even his days at Benneton where he had some questionable wins as well as disqualifications were more Flavio's fault that Schumacher's.
Schumacher was an amazing driver and you could see it in his style. He felt the car, had skill and patience like no other and was a true champion. He took Ferrari from nothing to the top and no other driver in our lifetime will match his accomplishments. I miss that he is not around any more.
Give the man some credit where credit is due.

[S|Quattro|4]

^^^Not even Raikkonen is as fast as Schumacher in the same car. I really think that Schumacher could've kept racing for at least one more year.

[ed@mtl]

Just came back from the Grand Prix. Was sitting in the Grandstand #24. Saw the crash by Kubica. At the end of the race went down to the track and pick-up some of the left-overs from the crash.

I'm all red from the sun, a slight headache from the noise and tired from walking almost all day.

Well worth it...

[CONTROL TWO]

^^ i was in grandstand 21.. he went flying right past me.. i got some shard of CF too.. too bad i wasnt wearing my audi shirt .. sauber bmw today [:D]

[seatown88]

Kubica's crash was so huge im surrised he only had a broken legs, shows how good the hans is. satos pass was awesome im so glad he was able to make it on alonso

[enigma1406]

Kubica's crash was so huge im surrised he only had a broken legs, shows how good the hans is. satos pass was awesome im so glad he was able to make it on alonso

That about sums up my thoughts. Massa must have been pissed for getting black flagged. F1 on Fox is stupid since they don't show the post race commentary.

[cdub]

Unbelievable race today! Cheers to Hamilton for his first win on his first race at Giles Villeneuve. I just read on F1-Live.com that Kubica has already been cleared. He has no broken bones only a sprained ankle. I watched his crash several times on Tivo and was amazed that he didn't snap his neck even with the HANS device. His head was just snapping from side to side. His second impact looked like it was practically head on.

Back to the race, Massa and Fisi just made huge mistakes in ignoring the pitlane red light. Alonso looked uncharacteristically ragged during the race. Nick was just as cool and precise as Hamilton. Speed has got to go. He is too erratic and his crash was totally uncalled for, he did not have position on Wurz. Nice to see Kovalinen was able to salvage what looked like a heinous race weekend.

All in all, the Canadian GP is always one of my favorites and this year did not disappoint. I'm only sorry that I was unable to make it to the race. Montreal is one of the best cities to see an F1 race in and a phenomenal place to party.

[speedee911]

ooh yea, and i don't mean michael schumacher is just a cheater.. i mean his character is bad.. he didn't just cheat, he did anything to win, and he only cared about himself (almost CRASHED into his OWN BROTHER once.. big story after, talks, etc.).. his personality and character are not supposed to be in formula 1!


http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ad6l2yHTS0Y&mode=related&search=
here's one link.. michael schumacher used increased fuel flow to save seconds on his pit stops (about 3 secs).. its not just the video, its the experts and reports that say he used it

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HYca6E6c3IM
here we see him using launch control, when it was banned.. no, i didn't base my comment just off this video, again, experts and articles that proved he used it..

here, schumacher "crashed", making all the drivers behind him get the yellow flag, so they couldn't qualify.. (and yes, alonso was faster in the first sectors).. the funniest quote is when he says, "after all these years, people should know who i am".. yes, schumi, i do know who you are..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uCJt9lGmxFM&mode=related&search=

i'm not saying he's not fast, or not a good driver.. he's definitely one of the best.. (NOT better than senna).. this video shows he's good. but to me it also shows that he quit trying in the 2006 season.. he was so fast at monaco, meaning that he had the skills and ability to win the championship, yet he did poorly in the championship..

you guys might not care about this.. but: michael schumacher celebrating his win after the death of senna? no way..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=47ccbOpItCg

one of the worse moment in F1 history.. schumacher would've won the championship if he stayed ahead of villeneuve.. but he crashed into him when he started slowing down, and when villenueve tried to pass him..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=z_gSzanqgoA

at the 1998 silverstone GP, schumacher was given a stop-go penalty, which he executed AFTER the chequered flag was shown

while schumacher crashed into people to win, senna did this:
"In 1992 at Spa-Francorchamps in Belgium when during Friday free practice &#201;rik Comas had crashed his Ligier-Renault very heavily at the flat-out Blanchimont section. Other drivers drove past the wreckage at high speed, but Senna jumped out of his car and, while endangering his own life, sprinted back down the track to the wrecked car to do what he could to assist the Frenchman, who was severely shaken but thankfully uninjured.

In 1993 again at Spa-Francorchamps when Alessandro Zanardi crashed his Lotus heavily at Eau Rouge corner, Senna was seen again jumping out of his car to help the injured driver."

not only was senna a better driver, more skilled, but he was also a better person..

[S|Quattro|4]

So, I've been watching some of the Michael tributes on youtube, and it makes me so sad that he isnt racing anymore. He really shouldn't have listened to any critics. I really think that he still has it in him, and would be doing alot better then what Kimi is doing so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6ofdXDykqw

Watching that video really showed what an awsome driver he was.

[CONTROL TWO]

about the "only caring about himself" comment.. this is an individual sport man. yeah ther are teams and yeah thers a constructors points race, but you dont race to help ur team, you race to win and get points for yourself.. and that in turn helps your team.. one of the reasons why ferrari isnt doing as well this year is because of schumacher's absense on the practices and testing sessions.. he was incredible at running all different kinds of set ups and communicating with the team about what needs to change and how to make it better.. schumi was the best ever imo

[speedee911]

^^ well i don't mean caring about others like let them win.. i mean caring about others not to crash into them and put them in serious danger.. and he's definitely not better than senna.. senna had a WAY weaker car, and while he was alive, he was a real challenge to schumi.. (especially when it rained, since rain is a great equalizer)

[speedee911]

and everybody should rate this thread.. i gave it the max rating, since it's an awesome thread about the best sport in the world.. [:)]

[quattrotman]

ooh yea, and i don't mean michael schumacher is just a cheater.. i mean his character is bad.. he didn't just cheat, he did anything to win, and he only cared about himself (almost CRASHED into his OWN BROTHER once.. big story after, talks, etc.).. his personality and character are not supposed to be in formula 1!


http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ad6l2yHTS0Y&mode=related&search=
here's one link.. michael schumacher used increased fuel flow to save seconds on his pit stops (about 3 secs).. its not just the video, its the experts and reports that say he used it

Not his descision...it was Flavio Briaorio's...he was the cheat and Schumacher got penalized many times for Flavio's managing at benetton.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HYca6E6c3IM
here we see him using launch control, when it was banned.. no, i didn't base my comment just off this video, again, experts and articles that proved he used it..

Also Flavio's descision

here, schumacher "crashed", making all the drivers behind him get the yellow flag, so they couldn't qualify.. (and yes, alonso was faster in the first sectors).. the funniest quote is when he says, "after all these years, people should know who i am".. yes, schumi, i do know who you are..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uCJt9lGmxFM&mode=related&search=

Yes, the race stewards punished him but I don't think he did that intentionally. Maybe he did, maybe not...only he will know.

i'm not saying he's not fast, or not a good driver.. he's definitely one of the best.. (NOT better than senna).. this video shows he's good. but to me it also shows that he quit trying in the 2006 season.. he was so fast at monaco, meaning that he had the skills and ability to win the championship, yet he did poorly in the championship..

you guys might not care about this.. but: michael schumacher celebrating his win after the death of senna? no way..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=47ccbOpItCg

Schumacher was unaware of Senna's death at the time the video was shot. You also fail to mention that Schumacher led the massive safety changes after that weekend and was instrumental in many, many safety improvemnts. I think it's pretty callous of you to use that shitty, propaganda video to try and make Schumacher out to be a cold and heartless man. He was a true competitor but to imply that he was celebrating while Senna died is not true. He was deeply saddened as all were when they found out.

one of the worse moment in F1 history.. schumacher would've won the championship if he stayed ahead of villeneuve.. but he crashed into him when he started slowing down, and when villenueve tried to pass him..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=z_gSzanqgoA

I'll give you this one...he was desperate to do what he needed to win.

at the 1998 silverstone GP, schumacher was given a stop-go penalty, which he executed AFTER the chequered flag was shown

Really a non-issue which many other drivers could have been blamed for including Senna. It was an interpretation of the rules.

while schumacher crashed into people to win, senna did this:
"In 1992 at Spa-Francorchamps in Belgium when during Friday free practice Érik Comas had crashed his Ligier-Renault very heavily at the flat-out Blanchimont section. Other drivers drove past the wreckage at high speed, but Senna jumped out of his car and, while endangering his own life, sprinted back down the track to the wrecked car to do what he could to assist the Frenchman, who was severely shaken but thankfully uninjured.

In 1993 again at Spa-Francorchamps when Alessandro Zanardi crashed his Lotus heavily at Eau Rouge corner, Senna was seen again jumping out of his car to help the injured driver."

not only was senna a better driver, more skilled, but he was also a better person..

I'm not trying to make excuses but if that is all you can come up with in a 15 year career, it's not that much. If you look into every drivers history/career, you will find that they all have blemishes but NONE have a track record like his. Cheaters may win sometimes but it takes a real champion to win consistantly and that is what Schumacher did.
Senna was great...but he didn't have enough time to prove himself. Prost was great too for the time and even he did not come close to Schumi's record.

[speedee911]

1. it might have been flavio's decision, but i can assure you michael agreed to it..

2. listen to what jackie stewart said.. i agree with that.. it might have been a mistake, but it's no mistake he couldn't do nothing or that he stalled his car.. common, he's a freaking 7 times world champion, and he stalls his car??

3. he wasn't aware of senna's death, but another driver died that same weekend, Ratzenberg, and he knew senna crashed.. I'm not saying he was haineous, but some other people wouldn't have celebrated after that weekend.. ooh yea, and those safety things, they weren't for senna! he was punished by the FIA for crashing into villnueve at the 97 european gp

4. that one is clear, and very, very sad..

5. "could have".. you can say that even senna "could have" crashed into villnueve, fact of the matter is, he wouldn't do it.. and i'm pretty sure he wouldn't have done the stop-go penalty after..

[speedee911]

don't get me wrong, i consider schumacher the 2nd most skilled driver ever (after senna).. i can't say talented, because i'm 100&#37; sure that there are more talented people in the world than even senna and the rest of the f1 drivers, but they didn't get a chance (by not trying it since they were young..)

but he's definitely not the hero you consider him to be

[quattrotman]

You think you're right and I think I'm right. You say tomato ....
Anyways, I'm German so I'm a bit biased (lemme guess, you're Brazilian), BUT I must say and you cannot deny this, no one has or every will match his driving record (no matter how he got there)
He also never had the best car...he helped build the team to be a championship team. He won with Jordan when they were nothing, he won with Benneton and gave them championships and then there was Ferrari. It was a crap team and produced nothing. He brought them their glory. It was no accident that they started winning with Schumacher. There have been many champions but they were lucky to be in the best car (Damon Hill, Villeneuve, Hakkinen to some extent and even Alonso although he does seem to be on his way this year in the Maclaren...I'm still scratching my head about it).
Don't wanna argue because it really is a pointless arguement. No one is right when it comes to whom they are fan of. Give credit where credit is due...no need to name call. Each had their golden moments and each were heros in their own time.

[speedee911]

lol, i'm not brazilian, but you'd think i am.. [:)]
i was actually born in Romania, but moved to the US about 4 yrs ago.
I respect german cars, technology, and drivers, but just not schumacher, and that's just me.

[quattrotman]

lol, i'm not brazilian, but you'd think i am.. [:)]
i was actually born in Romania, but moved to the US about 4 yrs ago.
I respect german cars, technology, and drivers, but just not schumacher, and that's just me.

[up] Fair enough. [:)]

On to Indianapolis! Should be a good race. I actually like the track and besides the Michelin tire debacle a few years back the races have always been good.

[speedee911]

Yea, there will be an interesting "interview" hosted by SpeedTV tomorrow (Thursday). All the drivers will participate and they're all going to be under one roof for a few hours. That should be interesting, it's the first time this kind of thing takes place..

Anyways, do we have any people that are going? I'm going to the race only, not to qual., prac. It'll be the first GP I've actually been to in person! Hopefully it won't be the last, since I want to go to the Monaco GP at least once (because I have relatives close by in Italy).

[quattrotman]

It'll be the first GP I've actually been to in person! Hopefully it won't be the last, since I want to go to the Monaco GP at least once (because I have relatives close by in Italy).


You will LOVE IT! The noise is incredible and you just can't appriciate it on TV. I've been to Indy races but they aren't half as loud as F1. I've been to 2 races in my life. Phoenix, back in 92 (very cool, loud as hell and one of Schumacher's first races) and Hockenheim back when it was still the old track. We were in Monoco last year but 1 week late so I missed the race. I was able to walk the entire track though and all the barricades and stands (and burnt rubber/marbles) were still on the track. It was good enough for me. As you can see...I'm a bit of a fan [:D]

[S|Quattro|4]

Yea, I'm going this year. 3rd time that Ive been there.

[CONTROL TWO]

ive been to montreal 5 or 6 years and french gp once

[speedee911]

Yea, I'm going this year. 3rd time that Ive been there.

where did you sit in the past? if you sat in the north west vista, do you have any pics? i hope i get a good view from there [:p]

[seatown88]

i got tired of schumacher winning. he used to be my favorite driver but i just got tired of him, just like im tired of jeff gordan(sorry to talk about nasscar) but im sick of jeff winning too. i wanna see someone else win some races.

[S|Quattro|4]

where did you sit in the past? if you sat in the north west vista, do you have any pics? i hope i get a good view from there [:p]

I dont have any pictures, I deleted them by accident[headbang] [headbang] [headbang] . They were awsome seats, you could see all the cars coming to the first corner all the way to the back stretch. I think it was grandstand H, right were the 1st corner is, infront of a monitor.

This year, I will be sitting in grandstand A penthouse. I have seen pictures from the seat and they look awsome. You can see the pits, the award ceremony, the banked turn, and pretty much the whole track since its on a sencond level. I am so psyched for this race.

GO FERRARI!!!

I'll be back on Monday with many pictures!

[speedee911]

haha! i'm back from the GP. it was awesome!! i was right where the crashes happened so that was cool.. sucks that ferrari didn't win, and that their car isn't as good as mclaren's this year! also sucks that hamilton won! i like mclaren a little bit (but i love ferrari), but only because Alonso is my 2nd favorite driver (after Kimi)... and kimi could've been 3rd!!

[S|Quattro|4]

Yea, GP was awsome. I was sitting infront of the Toyota pits on the second floor of the grandstands (will post pics later tonight or tomorrow). The start of the race was amazing. The noise is unexplainable. I was looking at the times, and they were exactly the same as Mclaren's times in the middle/end of the race. Kimi was actually laping faster than the Mclaren drivers and Massa for a while. But in the end, it was awsome. The amount of people that were there was crazy, and the city was cool too. Awsome weekend.

[King_Audi]

Sup guys! Yeah I was there too. I was in stand J, right by the first 6 turns. Completely awesome weekend, took a friends RV up there and camped out. I got about 4GB of pics that i've been trying to go through.

[S|Quattro|4]

Alright, here are a couple of pics. I have like 200, so if you want a more specific picture, I may have it, so just ask.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC04036.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC04033.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC04017.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC04012.jpg
^^^Scott Speed
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC04003.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC03986.jpg
^^Kimi and Massa
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC03981.jpg
^^Alonso and Hamilton
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC03972.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC03958.jpg
^^Kimi
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC03961.jpg
^^Hamilton when he got pole
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC03916.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC03905.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC03898.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC03897.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC03890.jpg
^^Jarno Trulli
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC03857.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC03863.jpg
^^Ron Dennis on there
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC03851.jpg
^^Jean Todt
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC03835.jpg
^^Ralf Schumacher
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/enzoferrari7988/DSC04038.jpg

[King_Audi]

Ok, finally got to a few of the ones I got. They blocked photobucket at my work now. :(


Here's one of a GT3 Cup car on race day...

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n93/kingje_2006/F1&#37;202007%20Indianapolis/DSC_0002aa.jpg


Hamilton and Trulli...

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n93/kingje_2006/F1%202007%20Indianapolis/DSC_0022aa.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n93/kingje_2006/F1%202007%20Indianapolis/DSC_0095aa.jpg


The stands from my seat on race day...

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n93/kingje_2006/F1%202007%20Indianapolis/DSC_0062aa.jpg


And of course, Ferrari...

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n93/kingje_2006/F1%202007%20Indianapolis/DSC_0223aa.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n93/kingje_2006/F1%202007%20Indianapolis/DSC_0371aa.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n93/kingje_2006/F1%202007%20Indianapolis/DSC_0112aa.jpg

[King_Audi]

Here's 32 more for now. In no particular order except for chronological, which doesn't mean much since i dumped each memory card each afternoon and evening. Self explanatory for the most part...


http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n93/kingje_2006/F1&#37;202007%20Indianapolis/DSC_0019a.jpg

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n93/kingje_2006/F1%202007%20Indianapolis/DSC_0021a.jpg

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[King_Audi]

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[S|Quattro|4]

^^^Question, those last couple of pics, were you in the pits or in the stands? And, I'm assuming that wasnt on race day.

Also, the Hamilton and Trulli shots, were are they from?

[King_Audi]

I can't see the ones you're talking about since i'm at work, but you're probably right. There were several from right by the pits and then up into the stands, they were taken during practice 1 on Friday. The other shots were during the race. The driver shots were taken at the entrance to the Paddock Club/Gasoline Alley as we were walking around on Friday morning.

I'm surprised that alot of them even came out. I'm glad I got that lens. All were taken with a Nikon D50 and Nikon 70-300mm f4.5-5.6 VR.

[S|Quattro|4]

What site do you guys use to check for news? I'm using f1racing.net/en but they havent updated in a while.

[speedee911]

What site do you guys use to check for news? I'm using f1racing.net/en but they havent updated in a while.

http://www.formula1.com

[S|Quattro|4]

So the last couple of weeks have been interesting. All the talk about what is happening with Ferrari and Stepney and the problem Ferrari had with the wind tunnel, and Montezemolo talking to Raikkonen that he better start performing and all.

But the most intereting news is Alonso and Hamilton. On June 22http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/06/22/alonso_and_hamilton_agree_pact_of_silence/ they agreed to not talk about each other behind each other's backs to the media. Well, after the two North American races, with Hamilton winning both, and the French GP, were Alonso did terrible and Hamilton, once again, finished on the podium, Alonso starts talking about Hamilton to the press.http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/07/02/alonso_expects_hamilton_to_face_problems_too/. I dont think Hamilton was present when Alonso said this. So, things are heating up in Mclaren as Ferrari gets back in their game. Should be another interesting weekend at Silverstone, specially if Ferrari keep the pressure on Mclaren and if Hamilton keeps the pressure on Alonso.

[speedee911]

ferrari is back!!! GOOO KIMi1!

[King_Audi]

Hell yes! Kimi did some great driving, but I was REALLY impressed with Massa's recovery from his pit start. Still dont' know what happened there.

[S|Quattro|4]

Yea, Ferrari pretty much dominated that race. And I think Kimi could have gone a bit faster if the Mclaren's were challenging him more. Also, Massa did very well. Shows how much he has matured. I think if that happened to him early last year, he would have gotten frustrated very early and very easily. Instead, he kept calm this race and drove an awsome race. I think this was one of the better races this year. Only thing, I wish Massa hadn't stalled. We couldve seen an easy Ferrari 1+2! But anyways, Ferrari is back, and has a couple of tenths on Mclaren, maybe even a half a second!!!

[littlewhite]

2 in a row for Kimi! Hope it keeps on coming for him!

[ckpepper02]

Gotta love the interviews and how those guys talk.
Kimi: "It was easy..."

[littlewhite]

Albers dropped by Spyker! And new key and ppl into Honda, so hopefully will bring success to the team and Button and Rubens! They deserve more!!

[speedee911]

Albers dropped by Spyker! And new key and ppl into Honda, so hopefully will bring success to the team and Button and Rubens! They deserve more!!

yea, button and rubens do, but crappy honda DOES NOT! not only did they cheat in F1, they also suck in real life.. [:)] if it was up to me, i would kick toyota and honda out of f1 right NOW!

[littlewhite]

Haha yea and Toyota... gosh and the amount of $$ they spent the past yrs.

Did anyone check the new Mclaren Trailer? THat thing is Sweeet!! Love Mclaren, been a fan long time but not Lewis and Alonso

[240ZT]

Mclarens new "motorhome"
http://www.f1-live.com/f1/photos/2007/gpsilverstone/diapo_013.jpg


Did you hear about the latest espionage controversy.

"The pit-side drama first ignited when Ferrari engineer Nigel Stepney was sacked after being accused of supplying McLaren chief designer Mike Coughlan with over 500 pages of secret Ferrari technical information back in April.

Coughlan, their chief designer, was subsequently suspended by McLaren after the Ferrari documents were found in his house."

[littlewhite]

^ yea even bigger and more public after the French GP. Probably be long before they can sort things out. Didnt Ron Dennis came out and spoke about it last week before the British GP? He cried or sth & backing his team. i forgot

ha! tight motorhome period!!

[S|Quattro|4]

Hmm, so that explains those three races [:D]

[ckpepper02]

Hmm, so that explains those three races [:D]

Aww man!!

Hey I'm a Hamilton fan. I'm also rooting for Ralf, but I guess it's unrealistic to think that he'd be able to continue the legacy.

[littlewhite]

Ralf I feel he has a lot of pressure both b/c he is Michael’s bro and this yr Trulli been better than him. He looked strong during practice and Qualifying but dam$ car didn’t last at all in the race…

[S|Quattro|4]

Dont get me wrong, I like Hamilton alot. Its just that I dont like the team Mclaren and I dont really like Alonso. But Hamilton is incredible. I wish he was in another team.

[rs6]

Hey I'm a Hamilton fan. I'm also rooting for Ralf, but I guess it's unrealistic to think that he'd be able to continue the legacy.

I think you're the only Ralf fan I've ever come across. As for Hamilton, an amazing driver, but boring as Tiger Woods. I think a race driver needs to be little rough around the edges, like Kimi or the almighty Senna. [race]

[RippleChip]

Ralf is the most overpaid driver on the grid.

Nice to see Kimi getting it going now, should be a good battle right to the end if he can keep chipping the points away

[speedee911]

did someone say senna???!!! [:)]

and yea, the FIA probably gave McLaren those files, since they were losing money with the Ferrari domination [:)] f1 is about the money just as much as the passion and dedication...

[caniac s4]

[down] Bernie [down] No more USGP!!! That really sucks but as more and more tracks struggle to meet Bernies demands this looks like a very bad trend. They said they were looking for other tracks to host a GP in the states but I dont see one willing to spend the money.

[240ZT]

That sucks. I think I would rather go to Montreal than Indy though.

Please bring the USGP to Laguna Seca [race]

[ckpepper02]

That sucks. I think I would rather go to Montreal than Indy though.

Please bring the USGP to Laguna Seca [race]


Would Laguna Seca be a fast enough track for these cars?

[rs6]

Would be nice to have a GP at Laguna but unfortunately the track doesn't suit the cars and the facilities would need a minimum $50M makeover. Bernie's already thought about it and turned it down.

[S|Quattro|4]

I wish they could host it at Road America. Too bad that there is nothing in Wisconsin and too bad that the facilities very poor.

[240ZT]

I know laguna seca is a pipedream but I wish it were possible since it's the closest track to me [:D] How about a street circuit like long beach or Las Vegas.

[littlewhite]

yea, shi$$y that they drop Indy for US GP... not sure if there is a lot of F1 Fans here either... Need to find a good track with good facilities and attendance or else they will drop it down the road too!

[enigma1406]

Indy this year wasn't as crowded. Kind of knew this was coming based on the rumors prior to the race and then the attendance at the race.

[PRY4SNO]

How about a street circuit like long beach or Las Vegas.

Back in the day, Long Beach was the US GP track right? Back when Andretti was racing? Wonder how much it'd take to retrofit that course. Vegas could be neat, and there's enough money and potential sponsors floating around there to perhaps make it viable.

For my two cents with a US GP, I'd like to see one in downtown Manhattan, through Times Square and around Columbus Circle, etc. But I doubt they'd shut 'er down for that with all the noise and traffic problems and such. But you just couldn't beat it for scenery, and intensity (reverberations of the exhaust off the buildings and the closeness).

For the record, my heart is with Ferrari and to see Kimi win; I've been a fan of his since the last year Michael won the championship and we saw him in the McLaren giving Schumi the proverbial run for his money; especially in Japan, wow.

[S|Quattro|4]

Back in the day, Long Beach was the US GP track right? Back when Andretti was racing? Wonder how much it'd take to retrofit that course. Vegas could be neat, and there's enough money and potential sponsors floating around there to perhaps make it viable.

For my two cents with a US GP, I'd like to see one in downtown Manhattan, through Times Square and around Columbus Circle, etc. But I doubt they'd shut 'er down for that with all the noise and traffic problems and such. But you just couldn't beat it for scenery, and intensity (reverberations of the exhaust off the buildings and the closeness).

For the record, my heart is with Ferrari and to see Kimi win; I've been a fan of his since the last year Michael won the championship and we saw him in the McLaren giving Schumi the proverbial run for his money; especially in Japan, wow.

Yea, Manhattan would be an awsome race, and that would definitly bring American fans to the sport. I think it would be even better then the Monca GP.

[littlewhite]

Kimi on pole ~ finally

[King_Audi]

So has everyone seen it yet? Can I blab about it?

[littlewhite]

DIdnt watch but read about it. Lots of spinning around

[Johnnie]

great race... loved the overtake at the end. i dont' know why alonso apologized so much at the press conference, he had position.

[enigma1406]

He didn't have position at the moment they touched, but Massa put him in that position by blocking him so hardcore.

[Johnnie]

wait are you talking about when they touched tires and a bit of smoke came out? i thought alonso had the inside lane and was toe to toe with massa therefore the lane was his and massa shouldn't have turned into him. .... hmm, in any case, great race.

man, massa looked pissed as hell at the podium and the press conference. lol

[enigma1406]

It's tough to say honestly. Alonso was on the outside line but might have been slightly ahead at the beginning of the turn.

At about 2:25 and on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcIJLj9e89w

If anyone knows spanish, what were they saying to each other at about 0:25?

[littlewhite]

Looks like Speed is out... which is good, he can do better if the team and car is reliable

[King_Audi]

WTF is up with FIA not punishing Mclaren? That's shit! So what if they havn't used the info, yet, and so what if it was discovered by accident. As if any criminal plans to get caught.

[S|Quattro|4]

Yea honestly. Its like if some guy robbed $100,000 dollars and the cops found him, but he didnt use them, so they didnt punish him. Its BS

[S|Quattro|4]

And also, I've been hearing excuses that Mclaren couldnt use these plans on their car because cars are so different. But that doesnt matter, Mclaren knows were Ferrari plans to go with their aerodynamics.

[littlewhite]

Yea honestly. Its like if some guy robbed $100,000 dollars and the cops found him, but he didnt use them, so they didnt punish him. Its BS

ditto. Pretty dishonest

[Johnnie]

enigma your a6 fog lights are hot... do you use them as drls?

[enigma1406]

enigma your a6 fog lights are hot... do you use them as drls?

haha thanks. They're on a separate switch, so yes I use them as DRL and also as fogs (kind of I guess)

More info here:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149592

Lots more pics on further pages, that thread was for the whole build.

[littlewhite]

"Speed replaced for performance reasons states Tost" Ok... he's been doing the same/better than his teammate.

[enigma1406]

his teammate is in jeopardy too

[littlewhite]

^ yea... we'll see how things unfold

[rs6]

As the native Americans learned, "never trust a Spaniard." [drive]

[littlewhite]

LOL!! Hope Kimi can come through tomorrow in the race from starting @ 4th

[millerracer]

Kimi drove brilliantly in a car that was not as good as the mclarens this weekend.

F Alonso... what a douche.

I hope Ferrari puts all their support behind Kimi now with 6 races left. He has a legit shot at winning this championship. Massa just is flubbing his chance to be the next great champ unfortunately.

[caniac s4]

Looks like putting someone else in Speed's seat didn't work out so good. Try again Torro Rosso! I hope Speed gets a ride somewhere else with a good car not another junker.

[enigma1406]

Kimi drove brilliantly in a car that was not as good as the mclarens this weekend.

F Alonso... what a douche.

I hope Ferrari puts all their support behind Kimi now with 6 races left. He has a legit shot at winning this championship. Massa just is flubbing his chance to be the next great champ unfortunately.

Agreed. I missed the race this weekend but saw the highlights. Did anyone catch the post race interviews? How'd they go?

[damionphillips]

Post race proved, to me, that Lewis is an arrogant bitch. I'm here to flame Fernando as well, but Lewis put his team in the position of not earning constructors points. Lewis held up Alonso, then Alonso held up Lewis. Alonso got caught. Both are to blame, and that team is imploding. 20 bucks says the driver lineup is different at McLaren next year...

[notob6]

i just recently got interested in F1 i never realized how awesome it was. anway how are you guys watching the races? i look on speed channel but their always showing nascar.... hopefully next summer i'll be able to go up to Montreal next year for the race before i go to college.[:D]

[speedee911]

^ you have to look when the races are on, and since most are in europe, and also all over the world, most of the times it's early in the morning... when i lived in california, i woke up at 5 a.m. every sunday when there was a race in europe just to see them.. not that i live in n.c., it's better. races start at 8:00 a.m (with the speed pre-race show at 7:30)..

the race in japan was interesting to watch from california, since it started at about 9 p.m. (if i remember correctly)

[enigma1406]

i just recently got interested in F1 i never realized how awesome it was. anway how are you guys watching the races? i look on speed channel but their always showing nascar.... hopefully next summer i'll be able to go up to Montreal next year for the race before i go to college.[:D]

They often re-air them at noon. Definitely check tvguide.com or your local guide.

[enigma1406]

Post race proved, to me, that Lewis is an arrogant bitch. I'm here to flame Fernando as well, but Lewis put his team in the position of not earning constructors points. Lewis held up Alonso, then Alonso held up Lewis. Alonso got caught. Both are to blame, and that team is imploding. 20 bucks says the driver lineup is different at McLaren next year...

Interesting. I'd really like to see it now. The media have been hyping him up all year, maybe it's starting to get to him. Either way, he's obviously going to be mad post race if something happened that may have prevented him from winning, so that may have come off as arrogance. I wouldn't know though since I missed it. [headbang]

[littlewhite]

Well is if not like we didnt see this coming but Bourdais is in for 08. Is going to be close for the last 6 races. Hope it all goes well to Kimi!


Oh yea did any one of u guys recall that big accident in Hung. GP in the rain. that was nutzz. Gd race though

[notob6]

what was the incident between alonso and hamilton http://youtube.com/watch?v=d7G56TxfWKg&mode=related&search=??

[beans912]

they were stacked in the pits, alonso was in front, the team held him so his last lap would start as close to the checkered flag as possible. when the team raised the stick for him to go he waited another 10 secs so that hamilton couldn't make a final hot lap.

[littlewhite]

Q: Fastest lap, two laps from the end, similar to Hungary…

Kimi: “Yeah, it’s something to do.”

Gotta love it! [race]

[speedee911]

so McLaren are under investigation again for cheating after FIA discovered new evidence.. I hope McLaren is banned from F1 AT LEAST 5 years.. and if the drivers knew something and didn't say anything, they should be fined and banned from F1 for a year or so.. [mad][mad][mad]

[littlewhite]

YEa saga continues... now on emails regarding exchange info between Mclaren drivers

[littlewhite]

Well there is some light now. Mclaren team fined $100M and excluded from 07 championship but both drivers still have the pts and can race.

[S|Quattro|4]

I think its a fair punishment. But, I think the drivers points should have been punished, since they are winning with an unfair car.

Finally, its over!

[littlewhite]

true, i think they should with the driver's pts and also i dont think is over yet. . . they might appeal

[enigma1406]

I didn't think they'd dock the drivers any points. They probably did gain an advantage with the information though. (through the car i mean)

[littlewhite]

more info emerging...

[S|Quattro|4]

I still can not believe that the McLaren drivers weren't punished, or at least FA.

[ckpepper02]

WOW!!! Just saw that McLaren lost ALL their construction points!! WOW!!!

[ckpepper02]

I've got the practice on DVR

[littlewhite]

The 100M 1/2 of it goes to the rival team and 1/2 goes to young driver programs/search

Kimi on pole[race]

[notob6]

Kimi on pole[race]


sweet!. i couldnt watch the qualifier today, but luckily ill be able to watch the race.

the track looks like it would be so much fun to drive on. i heard that like 75% of the race is on full throttle.

i think that alonso should be docked some points.

[littlewhite]

Ferrari 1-2 ! Kimi only 13 pts behind, 3 races to go! Hope all goes well for the Ice Man!!

[ckpepper02]

Ferrari 1-2 ! Kimi only 13 pts behind, 3 races to go! Hope all goes well for the Ice Man!!

C'mon Hamilton!! Hold on!!

I do like Kimi though, especially his interviews!

"For sure, it was a gud race."

[notob6]

i dont really like hamilton a lot. kimi and felipe are really cool though. one thing for sure tho is that alonso is just a d bag. i'm surprised that the mechanics didn't screw up his car.

[A4_cabrio]

I am so glad I discovered this thread. I am a big fan of formula 1.

I read thru the thread - first two pages and I'll post some comments about the current situation but also about the older posts:

1. I am a big fan of Kimi Raikonnen - I dont know why - I guess cause my nephew looks like him.
I think it all started with Senna - I ended up being a McLaren fan - when Senna won the championship on the McLaren Honda.
Then he died - and I cried and I couldnt stand Schumi b/c he kept on going that race and celebrated at the end.
That was it for me in re: to Schumi. I admit that he was/is one of the greatest drivers in F1 that ever lived. However - I never liked his character on the race track.
He would take you out if it was working for him. I did see his soft side when he shed tears when he took down one of Senna's records - I think it's the one about the number of wins or number of poles.

I wish both of them competed on the track more.
After Senna - I kept cheering for McLaren and some of their drivers - Hakkinen and then Raikonnen. When Kimi moved to Ferrari I moved my affiliation too. I was so impressed with his driving in the 2005 season. Only a crappy Merc engine kept him from winning that season.

2. I think it's unfair the McLaren drivers didnt get disqualified either - it's all about politics if you think about it. They got immunity if they testified against the team.
That is so wrong no matter how you see it.
In the end is the Ferrari drivers who suffered from the cheating scandal. How do they get compensated? - points should have been taken off from the McLaren drivers if not all points.
Cheating is cheating - and as it was proven - Alonso knew about it.
That's my take.

3. Too bad Alonso didnt take Hamilton out in the SPA GP - both should have been out of the race - that would have been nice.
The move - was really bad imho. It was obvious that he tried to terminate Hamilton's race - that was more like Schumi than Alonso.

4. I dont think Kimi can make up all those point unless both Alonso and Hamilton have problems in one or more races.
Three more finishes like in SPA and yes - he could become World Champion - unlikely
I dont know who I want it to win between Hamilton and Alonso - I never liked either - I really dont know what's going on between them but it seems that ever since Alonso is not sharing the setup data with Hamilton - the latter cant keep up with his team mate.

[littlewhite]

C'mon Hamilton!! Hold on!!

I do like Kimi though, especially his interviews!

"For sure, it was a gud race."

Hehe! Love him, best ones includes

“I was taking a shit, car will be lighter during the race” last yr @ Brazil and few races ago when interview fastest lap with 2 laps to go. “Yea, something for me to do”

awesome![wrench]

[ckpepper02]

Hehe! Love him, best ones includes

“I was taking a shit, car will be lighter during the race” last yr @ Brazil and few races ago when interview fastest lap with 2 laps to go. “Yea, something for me to do”

awesome![wrench]

LOL!

[speedee911]

kimi is the best!! i liked him since 2004 while at mclaren.. he not only deserves to win this year's championship (since he drove the best), but also the 2005 and 2006 championships, where his crappy mclaren kept breaking down

and i've always loved ferrari because of their tradition and passion.. and senna is the best, too bad he never raced for ferrari!

[S|Quattro|4]

So, who here is a Ferrari tifosi?

Ill start. I definitly am!!!

[A4_cabrio]

Me too - as mentioned above. But only since Kimi joined. Before I was a McLaren fan

[littlewhite]

OMG… we’ll have a “team India” team next yr

[m-avant]

OMG… we’ll have a “team India” team next yr

and Prodrive (if the FiA allows it)

[notob6]

whats pro drive?? i didnt hear about that.

[littlewhite]

sigh... 2 races to go

[ckpepper02]

sigh... 2 races to go

GOOO!! Hamilton!!! Poetic justice for Fernando eh??

[A4_cabrio]

What the heck was wrong with Ferrari - to start on medium wet tires.
I think if it hadnt been for starting the race in last place - Raikkonen could have won the race. Hamilton was good but let's face it - it's so much easier when you dont have water being sprayed in your eyes.

[littlewhite]

i dont like Ham.

Ferrari claim that they were not informed that all drivers should be on full wet...

sigh~

Great to see DC in pts, he's great in the rain!

[notob6]

ya that was pretty retarded. it was raining crazy..... i dont understand why you would you would run anything except the extreme wet in that weather. o well. the last lap between kovalainen and kimi was awsome!

i was kinda happy when alonso wrecked too.

[Johnnie]

for some reason, i don't want hamilton to win. i'd rather see alonso or kimi take it. ah well...

is it true that hamilton said he doesn't want alonso to be his teammate next year? any speculation as to where alonso will go?

[ckpepper02]

for some reason, i don't want hamilton to win. i'd rather see alonso or kimi take it. ah well...

is it true that hamilton said he doesn't want alonso to be his teammate next year? any speculation as to where alonso will go?

I think I heard them say Renault wants him back.

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

Massa FTW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtMirOCm7c8

[littlewhite]

Renault wants Alonso back since like mid of the yr and he said whenever Alonso is free, they will be more than happy to have him back on the team.

Yea at the Fri conference or something Hamilton had some direct/indirect verbal statements towards Alonso.

And Hamilton is so full of shit, he said he has no idea about Fuji Speedway and it is going to be the most difficult. Well, last time Fuji held a GPX there was like 30 yrs ago… none of the current drivers raced there in a GP.

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

Renault needs more then Alonso to dig out of their rut, I think it's the lack of Michelins that is hurting them too since they are more of a mechanical grip team.

[ckpepper02]

And Hamilton is so full of shit, he said he has no idea about Fuji Speedway and it is going to be the most difficult. Well, last time Fuji held a GPX there was like 30 yrs ago… none of the current drivers raced there in a GP.

Did I miss something, how is that a bad comment?

[notob6]

ya im confused about how that makes him full of shit. o well. i'd definitely would rather have hamilton win over alonso. but best case scenario kimi would take it!

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

No way, if Hamilton wins, the sport will just loose more excitement, rookie champion with Kimi, Fernando, and Phillipe fighting for second place. I hope next season's drivers championship is as exciting as this year.

[littlewhite]

Well he kept on saying he has no idea about the track & will be very hard on him and bah bah. Complaining.

I wonder what will be the final driver lineup for 08…

[A4_cabrio]

None of the drivers knew the new track. Kimi posted best times in the first practice session. The race would have been so much more different if it hadnt been for the rain.
Who is the genius that schedules the Japan GP in October (end of Sept) during the rain season?
It makes you wonder.
I would have loved to see Alonso and Lewis battle it out in the first corner - maybe take each other out ;-). Kimi has very strong starts - that would have been neat to see. Instead we got a really weird GP - 1/3 of it behind the pace car. That's what hurts the sport. It reminded me of the USGP in 2005. Massa and Kimi brought some excitement with their passes.

My thought is that having a rookie win the Championship will help Formula 1 a lot. Will show people is doable.
But will only make Lewis more arrogant. only time will tell

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

Lewis is good for PR but not so good for the elite nature of the sport IMO.

[ckpepper02]

Lewis is good for PR but not so good for the elite nature of the sport IMO.

Please explain, because that doesn't look like a "good" statement. I don't see how he wouldn't be good for the "elite" nature of the sport when he is out there ripping it up week in and week out. It appears to me that he is the better driver right now. Don't get me wrong, I love Kimi, David C, and Ruebens, but Hamilton is doing something special right now.



My thought is that having a rookie win the Championship will help Formula 1 a lot. Will show people is doable.
But will only make Lewis more arrogant. only time will tell

My thoughts exactly. It shows that anything is possible. Yeah he may come off as a little arrogant, but I bet if he wasn't a rookie [I not even gonna touch the fact that he's black], he wouldn't be viewed as arrogant. Kimi stuck me as arrogant the first time I saw him interviewed not too long ago.

[/rant]

[littlewhite]

Wasnt so smart of him slowing and stopping all of a sudden behind the safety car which causes Webber and Vettel to take out each other...

[ckpepper02]

Wasnt so smart of him slowing and stopping all of a sudden behind the safety car which causes Webber and Vettel to take out each other...

true.

[littlewhite]

Yea Toro Rosso most likely would of score some pts... that would be sweet for RBR

[ed@mtl]

It's always been down to two teams that can compete. This year it was either Ferrari or McLaren.

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

Please explain, because that doesn't look like a "good" statement. I don't see how he wouldn't be good for the "elite" nature of the sport when he is out there ripping it up week in and week out. It appears to me that he is the better driver right now. Don't get me wrong, I love Kimi, David C, and Ruebens, but Hamilton is doing something special right now. . . .

[/rant]

My point, be it unclear in my last post, was if he wins the drivers championship his rookie year, he would make many of the other drivers look not so elite, seeing a GP2 driver come up and whoop their ass. Don't get me wrong, I only dislike him because he is a threat to the great Michael Schumacher legacy.

[littlewhite]

Ham. Got away with no penalty for the foolish thing he did…

I’m along with what Webber said & sums it up!!

“I think he did a shit job behind the safety car,” said Webber. “He did a shit job and that’s it. He spoke in the drivers’ briefing about how good a job he was going to do and then he did the job the opposite way, so we know for next time, it’s no problem.”

[S|Quattro|4]

Eh, oh well. Maybe Alonso will ram Hamilton off course, causing Hamilton to retire, while Alonso has to pit for a new nose, causing him to finish very low. Which in the end, Raikkonen will win the race and would only be 2pts away from Hamilton with one race to go :D

[littlewhite]

lmao! thats very possible! The silver teammates dont get along well @ all

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

I hope Alonso move on from Mclaren.

[littlewhite]

i always like Mclaren (the car), loved it when it was Mika & DC. Good times.
If Mika didnt retire, 2 Finns = Flying Finn x Ice Man. COol!

Yea well Fisc. is due from Reanult so there is a seat open, maybe Alonso will hop in but i think he got a contact with Mclaren 08

[S|Quattro|4]

And if Alonso does leave, then we will see how much he actually helped Mclaren. I wonder how they will do next season without an experienced WC.

[littlewhite]

Yea.. man this season just flew by...

[littlewhite]

and may i add is great to see alot of F1 fans, its great to talk about it here and share[az]

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

And if Alonso does leave, then we will see how much he actually helped Mclaren. I wonder how they will do next season without an experienced WC.


I'll bet they loose a good bit of valuable driver development with the car.

Watched a bit of Friday practice at lunch today and they said lewis may be docked Fuji points or be DQ'd for china gp from the webber incident, that would make the championship tainted if Kimi won IMO.

[S|Quattro|4]

I'm not a Lewis fan by any means. But you know, I do not want to see him get penalized for what he did. It was not right, but it was not wrong, and in the end, it will just raise more suspicion between the "alliance" of the FIA and Ferrari.

[notob6]

wait what did he do wrong? is he getting penalized for flooring it and braking behind the safety car?

[ckpepper02]

No penalty applied.

[littlewhite]

KIMI!!

still a chance, 1 race to go!!

[ckpepper02]

Yeah congrats to Kimi for being so "cool". He laid back until the time was right didn't he?

[littlewhite]

yup! put on attack on Ham at the right time.

[millerracer]

bwahahahahahaha.... Hamilton makes a bonehead - and Kimi shows why he should be champ! GO you fucking FINN!!! GOOOOOOOOOO!

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

Go Kimi!

I tell you, my kid is 2 and we watch Cars the movie weekly, this scenario is just like cars: The rookie makes a tire mistake in a race where he would have taken the championship and it's now a 3-way battle for the championship for the last race of the year!

Best F1 season ender in a while for me!

I hope Lewis was humbled by his rookie mistake.

[littlewhite]

[:p] Ka-CHow

Cars is great!

Yea great final race. Really hope Kimi pulls through, still a chance! Dennis pretty much stated that he will back up Hamilton on the last race… sorry Alonso..

[littlewhite]

Wurz just announced his retirement in F1. WTF! He had ups and downs this yr but showed some strong races though.

He should get back on DTM races with Mercedes. And Le Mans too like when he did back in 98 or so with Brent Sch. In the CLK GTR

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

[:p] Ka-CHow

Cars is great!

Yea great final race. Really hope Kimi pulls through, still a chance! Dennis pretty much stated that he will back up Hamilton on the last race… sorry Alonso..

Can't believe he would do it to the back to back world champ though that's in contention[down] I hope Alonso leaves next year.

[speedee911]

yo guys.. let me tell u my opinion.. hamilton is good, but not amazing.. he's doing well because he's at mclaren, one of the best cars in f1 (often better than ferrari, in some weekends..)

BUT, when the talent has to show, not the car, (and by this i mean in the rain), there's not much to see.. rain is THE great equalizer for cars in f1, and when it rains, you don't see hamilton being "amazing", as he "is" in the dry (where his car is good)..

you wanna know who is really talented, and good, and will be a legend? Sebastian Vettel.. 4th place?? IN A SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO???? AND he's only 20!!! that is talent.. and you can see it, because it was in the rain.. from the chinese gp on, vettel is my second favorite driver (after kimi), and i'll stick to him after kimi retires.. just wait 2 years or so, until vettel scores a seat at a competative team, and he'll whop and spank hamilton any day.. i hope he makes it to ferrari, because that always has been, and always will be my favorite team..

[speedee911]

and another thing, i bet $50 (not really :) ) that kimi will win this championship.. it just seems strange to me, that lewis hamilton, for the past 33 grand prix (f1 and gp2), didn't retire ONCE.. and now all of a sudden he makes that mistake, when the championship's so close.. well, all i know is that f1 is all about the $$, and that means making the fans happy.. and ferrari has the most fans.. yea, sure FIA had to step in when they were losing fans with michael schumacher's dominance, and i think they're stepping in now (i can almost hear the FIA going, you fans want excitement? we'll give you excitement.. so they make the teams battle, but in the end i think they still want ferrari to win, because of the fans..)

lol, just my little conspiracy theories.. probably not true, but hey, it keeps me not bored.. :)

[enigma1406]

I thought Hamilton was pretty damn good in the rain until his little mishap. He was setting fast laps almost every lap before his first pit stop.

[S|Quattro|4]

Yup, Lewis is definitely good in the rain. He was pulling away from everyone extremely quick. He just stayed out too long on bald tyres, which is what caused his problem, and thats why Kimi was able to catch up.

[millerracer]

Kimi caught up because he was patient enough to wait for the tires to stop graining before he started to push - which gave him longer tire life on a heavier fuel load. He caught Hammy handily and past him as Lewis was sliding around.

[littlewhite]

=) i like how kimi most of the time setup fastest lap wiht like 2 laps to go [race]

I wish the break in between season isnt that long... love F1!

Vettel drive was great! Glad to see both Torro in pts

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

While we are talking about rain, let's hear it for Jenson Button in the Works Honda, best finish for factory Honda this season, 5th place!~~~

[littlewhite]

Yea, god harsh time for them this season! Well deserve 5th place

[A4_cabrio]

As much as it pains me - Hamilton or Alonso will win the championship. I wish Kimi hadnt started the race in Japan on intermediates. If he had won the race - the first three would have been spread across three points in the last race . Imagine the pressure on everyone. That would have been awesome to see.
Right now - Lewis can finish fifth and he can still clench the championship. Also Massa needs to step up and finish behind Kimi - assuming Kimi can win the Brasilian GP.
Too many points for Kimi to make up in the last race. I feel so bad for him - missing to be a champion by few points when clearly he deserve it. He was so fast in China in qualy with so much more fuel.
Certainly - Hamilton made for a very interesting season.
When I was a McLaren fan in 2005 and went to Monaco - it was very hard to find McLaren stuff. They dont have nearly enough fans as Ferrari but I am sure after this season they will have a lot more than before.

[speedee911]

While we are talking about rain, let's hear it for Jenson Button in the Works Honda, best finish for factory Honda this season, 5th place!~~~

yup.. jenson button is very good too.. every time the rain falls, he does well.. it was funny when he went on to top gear, and they interviewed him about not winning races (because of the car)

[S|Quattro|4]

Eh, oh well. Maybe Alonso will ram Hamilton off course, causing Hamilton to retire, while Alonso has to pit for a new nose, causing him to finish very low. Which in the end, Raikkonen will win the race and would only be 2pts away from Hamilton with one race to go :D

So my prediction was close, haha. My prediction for the last race will be that Hamilton will get hit by someone from behind, causing him to spin and causing damage his front wing, needing a new wing, and also causing damage to some of the other aero winglets, making him lose time. This way, he will finish 6th place. Kimi will win the race infront of Massa and Alonso will finish third. In the end, Kimi will win the championship by having won more races. It will happen. WE BELIEVE!!! [:D] GO KIMI!!!![race]

[S|Quattro|4]

Also, who thinks that Vettel might have a position at Mclaren next season? He's doing very well in an inferior car, so just imagine him in a much better car next year.

[speedee911]

and about hamilton.. all i know is that in china at one point, kimi had about 8 more laps of fuel than hamilton (A LOT more weight than hamilton), and he was keeping up to hamilton.. that right there shows you the talent.. yea, sure hamilton was leading the first part, but thats because he qualified first (don't know if qualifing was in the rain or not.. )

[S|Quattro|4]

and about hamilton.. all i know is that in china at one point, kimi had about 8 more laps of fuel than hamilton (A LOT more weight than hamilton), and he was keeping up to hamilton.. that right there shows you the talent.. yea, sure hamilton was leading the first part, but thats because he qualified first (don't know if qualifing was in the rain or not.. )

Yes, Kimi might be slightly better than Hamilton in the wet, but the reason he was able to catch up so much was because Hamilton's tires were slicks and it started to rain, so he had pretty much no traction.

[littlewhite]

I’m a Mclaren fan since Mika x DC era and still am, just not with the current driver lineup. There things are quite to get but I manage to get Mika & DC’s autograph back in 98 or so.

Having 8 more laps of fuel on board and keeping up the pace is talent by Kimi. Not a bad result for this yr with 5 wins, but had some bad luck with reliability and if he finish with any pts he would be in the lead/up there. I believe also, hope it all goes well!

[vwong]

Wow...I didn't know that many people don't like Hamilton, which is good because I don't like him either. For the past few races, I think he has already shown some arrogance. I don't know if this is a rumor or now, but I remember one of the SpeedTV hosts reported (couple races ago) that Hamilton doesn't want Alonso to be his teammate for 08. He's only a damn rookie. Since when a rookie has a say on who to be his teammate...unless Mclaren is favoring Hamilton which they do.

[ckpepper02]

F-it, I don't care, I'm still a Hamilton fan.

[Bobthewise]

Lets not judge Hamilton's personal character I doubt anyone here actually knows him. As far as him being a good racer is concerned hell ya he is good and don't just blame it on the car, Kimi was racing for Mclaren before and back then he said it was the car that was holding him back. Once he switched to Ferrari he still is not leading. Of course Hamilton does not want to be on the same team as Alonso because they both want to win. I don't care if he is a rookie or not if you have that kind of talent he should go for it. Btw if you seen the way Alonso acts towards hamilton he is not exactly that sportsmen like either.

[littlewhite]

True but this yr Mclaren's reliability is way better than last yr. Ferrari had a few bumps this yr so if that was cleared out and the car ran smooth w/o problems like the Mclaren, Kimi would be on top

[millerracer]

Lets not judge Hamilton's personal character I doubt anyone here actually knows him. As far as him being a good racer is concerned hell ya he is good and don't just blame it on the car, Kimi was racing for Mclaren before and back then he said it was the car that was holding him back. Once he switched to Ferrari he still is not leading. Of course Hamilton does not want to be on the same team as Alonso because they both want to win. I don't care if he is a rookie or not if you have that kind of talent he should go for it. Btw if you seen the way Alonso acts towards hamilton he is not exactly that sportsmen like either.

Hi Bob-

I have met Lewis on several occasions - as far back when he was racing karts in CIK World Championships. He made several trips to North Carolina. He was always a nice young guy and very polite and an exceptional talent. That is why McLaren had signed him at such a young age and helped finance his racing career.

As of late though - he has been awfully demanding - the reason he and Alonso don't get along is because of the lack of respect given to one another. Hammy demands respect because he is touted as the 2nd coming of racing god and thinks Alonso should roll over and let him win the championship - Alonso is a 2-time champion and came in as the #1 only to be put in the #2 role early on.

Dennis will likely side with Hamilton for the solid fact he has millions upon MILLIONS invested in him over the past 6-8 years. Even in karts, Lewis was on a development program, funded by Dennis. This fact is glaringly obvious to Alonso - therefore internal strife.

Kimi was clearly the #1 driver at McLaren - in a car that had more mechanical failures while leading than anyone. Motors, chassis failures, you name it - he endured and never blamed the car publically. The McLaren that Kimi drove and the new McLarens are much different and it is hard to say how much the several hundred pages of technical notes from Ferrari had to do with it.

Keep in mind - that if not for the two mechanical failures - neither of them his fault admittedly from Ferrari - that Kimi had this year, he would be currently leading the championship - likely with 1 more win than he has (he was handily on pole for European GP and had a dnf and was 2nd in Spain and had a failure).

I doubt you could say that Kimi hasn't done the job he should have... as he has 5 wins this year - 6 if you count the European GP with one race remaining.

So yes - some of us ARE in enough circles to be able to judge at least SOME of his character and some of us DO realize that the cars for 2007 are much better than the cars in 2005-2006. Don't get me wrong - Hamilton has impressed many - and has been a model of consistency. He will be a good champion - but I'd like to see him start in a different team to learn something in the way of humility so his ego isn't bigger than his talent.

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

Well said Miller Racer, I agree with you, last years cars were a different story as far as McLaren goes, I'd like to see Alonso with the prancing horse, but that isn't going to happen, hopefully Lewis will be challenged by Ferrari's development for 08 and McLaren will get what they deserve for stealing intellectual property.

[speedee911]

anyone who watched the 05-06 f1 season knows what kimi went through.. i simply COULD NOT BELIEVE IT! race after race with problems.. and that time he blew up his tire ON THE LAST LAP OF THE RACE.. and yes, he WAS leading.. if mclaren had this car in 05-06, i believe kimi would be a 2 time world champion right now..

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

McLaren got what they deserved last year.

[littlewhite]

So Dennis now said that both drivers will have equal chances… ok before that he said he will back up Hammy. Today found out Alonso’s tires were overinflated during qualifying… so equal…

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

Dennis is a cheat and a liar.

[240ZT]

Alonso signed a letter to re-join Renault but he has to get out of his McLaren contract first.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gmFJ2l5iLKgNkDMKas0SK7G69toQ

Alonso on Ron Dennis
"He is behind many of the scandals McLaren have been involved in off the track this year," Alonso said.

"Each one has his own philosophy, he has his and we all understand it.

"I have spoken a lot with [former McLaren drivers David] Coulthard, [Juan Pablo] Montoya and Kimi [Raikkonen]. They all left and found happiness. There must be a reason."

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

That my friend is music to my ears.[:D][race] /\ /\

[ckpepper02]

Btw if you seen the way Alonso acts towards hamilton he is not exactly that sportsmen like either.

Amen!

[ckpepper02]

Alonso signed a letter to re-join Renault but he has to get out of his McLaren contract first.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gmFJ2l5iLKgNkDMKas0SK7G69toQ

Alonso on Ron Dennis
"He is behind many of the scandals McLaren have been involved in off the track this year," Alonso said.

"Each one has his own philosophy, he has his and we all understand it.

"I have spoken a lot with [former McLaren drivers David] Coulthard, [Juan Pablo] Montoya and Kimi [Raikkonen]. They all left and found happiness. There must be a reason."

Ahh shoot! I feel like I'm on the dark side. Ah well. Still a Hamilton fan!

[Johnnie]

eh... who is he to not give pre-race interviews?

[littlewhite]

Rain expected for this weekend. Should be an interesting finale

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

eh... who is he to not give pre-race interviews?

A scared rookie!

I can't wait, let's hope to see an exciting nail bitter, 3 abreast at the finish! [race]

[millerracer]

The only of the 3 that have run the season without much fanfare and turmoil is Kimi - so I hope he is the only one that finishes... would be nice if the mclarens broke - had a failure - that would be sweet justice.

Now - having said that - I have ALWAYS been a fan of the mclaren operation - and have never been a fan of ferrari. Yet this season I have flip-flopped - basically due to the respect I have for how the ferrari team operates and how the mclaren operation has carried themselves so poorly, from driver attitudes to management. It will take some time to regain that respect.

[speedee911]

The only of the 3 that have run the season without much fanfare and turmoil is Kimi - so I hope he is the only one that finishes... would be nice if the mclarens broke - had a failure - that would be sweet justice.

Now - having said that - I have ALWAYS been a fan of the mclaren operation - and have never been a fan of ferrari. Yet this season I have flip-flopped - basically due to the respect I have for how the ferrari team operates and how the mclaren operation has carried themselves so poorly, from driver attitudes to management. It will take some time to regain that respect.

ferrari is the best.. yea, all teams are about performance, technology, perfection, but ferrari is more than that.. ferrari is passion.. street cars, AND F1.. sure the porsche 911 gt2, for example, might be a better technological achievement than a ferrari f430, but ferrari has the amazing looks, an undeniable voice, and a soul that inspires millions.. forza ferrari

[littlewhite]

How to hell Mclaren and Hamilton escape from another penalty… used 2 set of tires vs only 1 set. Should of at least dock him position -10 like from what other have done throughout the season… WTF. Equally yea right…

[millerracer]

DO YOU BELIEVE IN MIRACLES?!?!?!?!?!!?!? YES! Kimi - the DESERVING CHAMP!

All spurred on by the rookie pushing too hard too soon. He will be a future champ - but thankfully - learned some humility over the last few weeks - at least I HOPE he did.

[ed@mtl]

wow, what an ending. All this circus surrounding Mclaren, Hamilton and Alonso. At the end of the day, they didn't get anything at all.

Good for Ferrari and Kimi.

[notob6]

that was a great race. i'm glad kimi won and hamilton beat alonso.

i thought it was kinda funny how the announcers kept saying how reliable the cars were, then everyone was having problems.

[240ZT]

Well Done Ferrari [race]

[A4_cabrio]

WOW - I cant believe it . Mesa happy for Kimi. Go Ferrari Go.
Unbelievable. I was too afraid to hope before the race - once I saw Hamilton's problem I started to hope but there were too many things that needed to fall in place for Kimi to win. I am glad the guys in the middle didnt take each other out.

[D0lphinGrey]

Hail Kimi Raikkonen! A fully deserved champion! Remember in 2003 he lost to Schumacher by a mere 2 points (91 to 93). fortune favors the brave this time! Hope he continue to do well in 2008!

[D0lphinGrey]

A picture tells a thousand words http://www.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/45351_2.jpg

[D0lphinGrey]

LH pretty much took himself out of contention, absolutely losted it into the second corner. From there onwards the commentator couldn't stop raving about how he could come back from behind as he did in GP2 . Absolute biased wankers! The final result shut him up for good! GO KIMI!

[littlewhite]

Yea baby!!! Nicely done KIMI!!!! woot!! Awesome finish!!!

[ckpepper02]

Congratulations to Kimi, and all you die hard Kimi fans. I'm glad it was him and not Alonso.

[S|Quattro|4]

Wow, I cant believe everthing fell into place for Kimi. The chances of that happening were slim to none. Great job Kimi, definitely the deserving champ. I also cant believe the season is over. What a season!

[speedee911]

!!Ferrari!!Raikkonen!!

[RippleChip]

It was great to see Kimi pull it out, have always been a fan of him.

Now, its still not for certain though as McLaren has appealed the decisions by the race stewards in regards to the gas temps used by Williams and BMW. If this goes through Hamilton will be bumped up a few spots and take the championship.

[A4_cabrio]

That would be the shittiest thing ever. I hope FIA will not change the drivers' standings - I think it is at their discretion to penalize the teams and not the drivers - like take away the constructors' points.
They didnt penalize Hamilton for using two sets of wet tires on Friday either. They could have bumped Hamilton and the other two 10 spots on the grid but they chose to fine the teams. I guess b/c they didnt want to interfere with the fight for the title.

If Hamilton wins the championship b/c of a few degrees cooler gas - that's it. No more F1 for me. Ron Dennis is such a sore looser. I cant believe I was a McLaren fan. It would be an outrage. Problems with the gas used in the F1 cars happened before - even at Sao Paolo and only the teams were penalized.

The reality is that the McLaren had a mechanical problem and the car was 14 seconds behind number 6 when it finished. Even with warmer gas in the BMW - it could not catch up with it in time. It wasnt like the BMWs and Williams-es were so much faster than the McLaren and beat Hamilton's McLaren by few seconds.

One more time this proves such a shit is Ron Dennis. I am glad Alonso moved away from that snake pit. Ron Dennis was the one starting to look for irregularities among the cars in front of Lewis - that's how everything started.

In his place I would have bowed out and been happy his two drivers hadn't lost the points like they should due to the spy scandal. Or that they werent excluded from the championship this year. Talk about fair play. If McLaren was an honest team they should have flagged Ferrari someone from their team was trying to sell their Intellectual Property.

My two cents. I hope Kimi gets to keep his championship title. He was the better man this year. Fought back when there were very little chances to win and kept his cool to the end. Go Ferrari.

For Hamilton - the only person to blame for his loss is his pride. He wanted to finish on top with wins in China and Brasil - instead of being smart and raking up the points. He had the championship in his pocket.

[littlewhite]

That would be the shittiest thing ever. I hope FIA will not change the drivers' standings - I think it is at their discretion to penalize the teams and not the drivers - like take away the constructors' points.
They didnt penalize Hamilton for using two sets of wet tires on Friday either. They could have bumped Hamilton and the other two 10 spots on the grid but they chose to fine the teams. I guess b/c they didnt want to interfere with the fight for the title.




Well said, couldnt have agree more. He & Mclaren got to many excuse & freebies this yr...

[littlewhite]

Shi$, I just read the news this morning & so piss!! It better not happen!! Yea right, is not an attack on Kimi and Ferrari to take away the championship… Alonso said something right finally!!


“Meanwhile, Fernando Alonso made it plain he had no sympathy with his teams actions. Asked by Spanish radio station Cadena Ser about the prospect of Hamilton becoming World Champion as the result of an appeal, he remarked, "It would be a joke, and we've had too many already. If something like that happened, it would end up burying the sport.

"The result speaks for itself. McLaren lost the championship probably because of some of the decisions they took, especially in the second half of the season. It's no secret that they haven't helped me a lot.

"What my team boss stated in China, saying that they weren't racing against Raikkonen but against me, was a declaration of intent. So McLaren did their part in losing the title, but also Ferrari did a better job than the rest.”


^ WORD

shows how much crap is in the team & favorites

[A4_cabrio]

Yeah - Alonso preferred Kimi's win vs. Hamilton taking the championship, it was very clear in his body language.

He was smirking during the FIA press conference. He must have thought what an irony for Hamilton to lose it in the final race.

With Alonso at Renault next year - I hope to see four strong teams fight it out - Ferrari, McLaren, BMW and Renault.

[littlewhite]

Kimi is a well and deserved winner. And it showed through the races.

[Johnnie]

dam what great results!! what a baby mclaren is for questioning gas temps after they've been given leniency for breaking the rules a few times throughout the season. the picture says it all.. i'm so glad that kid lost it all, haha.

wait, and i thought alonso came in second due to having more first place finishes...

[littlewhite]

A picture tells a thousand words http://www.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/45351_2.jpg


LMAO! i totally missed that photo

[A4_cabrio]

With the win in Japan - Hamilton matched Alonso's wins for 2007. But he had more second place finishes than Alonso - hence number two.

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

Kimi deserves his win, Lewis is a rookie without patience, he shouldn't have even raced Alonso on the first corner of the race, if Lewis wins the championship, it would be a joke.

[ckpepper02]

I wanted Hamilton to win, but if the FIA changes his position after it is already said and done, that would suck. That's not how you're supposed to win a race. I hope they don't take it away from Kimi like that. Hamilton has many more years to win a championship, so it's not the end of the world for him.

I didn't realize until the end of the race that that was Kimi's first championship. I'm even happier for him now.

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

Blame it ALL on Ron D, that worthless excuse for a person is the reason for the inquiry, I will bet Lewis would let it lie, he has a bright future ahead, and who would want a paper win for their first championship?

[littlewhite]

Appeal is set on 11-15. IF the 3 cars are disqualify & Hammy gets additional pts and ended up stealing the Championship from Kimi, that would be the lamest result & is settle on paper…

[enigma1406]

Dang, it'll be that long? Kimi is the champion, no matter what happens with the appeal. Hamilton can have an asterisk like Barry Bonds.

[littlewhite]

Is not like we didnt see this coming, Alonso confirmed to leave McLaren

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

Is not like we didnt see this coming, Alonso confirmed to leave McLaren

I wonder why? Maybe because he didn't like watching Ron D blow Hamilton. http://www.preludeonline.com/images/smilies/puke.gif

[littlewhite]

HA! and more stories will surface for sure since Alonso is leaving the team.

[auto_euroticaA4]

hah i had no idea there was a f1 thread..thats awesome[hail]
ive been watching with my dad since the aryton senna days.

[speedee911]

hah i had no idea there was a f1 thread..thats awesome[hail]
ive been watching with my dad since the aryton senna days.

yeeeya, all hail senna!

[Nor_Cal_Driver]

Senna shmena, I miss Michael.

[Johnnie]

when i first got into f1.. micheal was winning all the time. wasn't as exciting. kinda like how motogp was with rossi till recently.

[littlewhite]

if anyone is aware, but the court decision will be out by Fri...