Okay, I'll give the E05 a try!

[Villains]

Well, I got tired of waiting and trying different exhaust manifolds so I decided to get an E05 and keep the stock manifold and airbox. In my opinion this is where most of the big turbo upgrades have issues. I am having it installed this Saturday at EuroCode. I am planning on installing a Nitrous system(which I already have) as well. The nitrous will act as a power adder as well as a charged air cooler (much like an extra intercooler).

Once the install is complete we will take it to AMS and tune it all out on the dyno. I will have a few different tunes. One for the E05 on 91 octane, another for the E05, nitrous and 91 octane and then the full race tune of E05, nitrous, and 100 octane.

I am hoping to make 240 - 250 CHP with the E05 and near 300 CHP with the nitrous. I know that nitrous is feared by many but I have used it on many different cars and have always found it to be awesome, especially when used with a turbo.

[mcpath]

That wild. Can't wait hear how it turns out. With nitrious you can run a FMIC cooler.

Opps or was that CO2
either way can't wait hear how it goes.

[Villains]

Originally posted by mcpath
That wild. Can't wait hear how it turns out. With nitrious you can run a FMIC cooler.

Opps or was that CO2
either way can't wait hear how it goes.

Both will work and you are right. I already have the distribution block needed to have the nitrous split to the fogger and the cooler.

[Saturnine]

Damn dude, your hardcore[:D]

Take some pics!!

I hope your getting your exhaust mani ported..

[kchan156]

wow. keep us updated!

[Villains]

Originally posted by Saturnine
Damn dude, your hardcore[:D]

Take some pics!!

I hope your getting your exhaust mani ported..

Not yet, but it will be in the future. I am no where near as hardcore as you are! [:D]

[Saturnine]

I wouldnt say that im "hardcore"..

Yet [;)]

[Vanimaniac]

I thought you had the GT28RS on order?

[Villains]

Originally posted by Vanimaniac
I thought you had the GT28RS on order?

I did but I was told that they were shipping the pre-orders now and my order would be a little delayed so I canceled. I didn't cancel because it was delayed; I canceled because I didn't want to go through the same issues I had with the T28.

[Mark]

keep us informed.

[Villains]

Originally posted by Mark
keep us informed.

Mark,

My setup should be pretty close to yours except with the E05 and Revo software. It would be nice to compare the two one day. Either at the same dyno or at the drag strip! Any plans to come out to LA? [:D]

[neoprufrok]

Damn DERRICK!!! Sounds like your car's going to be a beast.

[Villains]

Originally posted by neoprufrok
Damn DERRICK!!! Sounds like your car's going to be a beast.

I hope so! My plan is to make good power first, then all the other mods. That is why I still have the stock rims, stock suspension, stock body kit, and so on. I didn't even install the Xenons I got from Jackson because I want all of my budget going to horsepower right now. [:D]

[kmoc16]

that is going to be an awesome set up and keep me updated with how the install and tuning goes because i am really looking into having the same kit installed in my car but without you and your crazy nitrous..

[AudiA4Style]

lol. You make us A4 owners proud! [:D]

[Mark]

Originally posted by Villains
Mark,

My setup should be pretty close to yours except with the E05 and Revo software. It would be nice to compare the two one day. Either at the same dyno or at the drag strip! Any plans to come out to LA? [:D]

too bad we live on opposite sides of the country . . . [;)]

good luck with the E05, hopefully everything will work out as planned!

The E05 software I believe is the same as the K04 software, it would be an interesting matchup to see how a different turbo affects the system.

[Villains]

Originally posted by AudiA4Style
lol. You make us A4 owners proud! [:D]

[:o] You embarrass me! [:)] Thanks, I'm trying. I am hoping to get my car comfortably in the 13 second zone (1/4 mile).

[astris]

Originally posted by Villains
[:o] You embarrass me! [:)] Thanks, I'm trying. I am hoping to get my car comfortably in the 13 second zone (1/4 mile).

That will be awesome! A 13 sec luxury 4 cylinder. I wish you the best of luck. Can't wait to hear the positive results! [:)]

[DLSJ5]

Originally posted by Villains
Well, I got tired of waiting and trying different exhaust manifolds so I decided to get an E05 and keep the stock manifold and airbox. In my opinion this is where most of the big turbo upgrades have issues. I am having it installed this Saturday at EuroCode. I am planning on installing a Nitrous system(which I already have) as well. The nitrous will act as a power adder as well as a charged air cooler (much like an extra intercooler).

Once the install is complete we will take it to AMS and tune it all out on the dyno. I will have a few different tunes. One for the E05 on 91 octane, another for the E05, nitrous and 91 octane and then the full race tune of E05, nitrous, and 100 octane.

I am hoping to make 240 - 250 CHP with the E05 and near 300 CHP with the nitrous. I know that nitrous is feared by many but I have used it on many different cars and have always found it to be awesome, especially when used with a turbo.

D,

I will most likely come down and hang with you guys and make sure you're installing it right. [:D] Actually David is superb, no on else has done better work on my car. I think you'll hit 250HP w/ the testpipe. I know the E05 hit 235HP and a whopping 275TQ on a dyno w/out the testpipe. We know the TP adds a solid 15HP, from mine and Ellie's dyno's. [cool]

I'm going with APR's Stage 3, they say they're waiting on one part from Garret and it's a go. See you Saturday bro, and congrats!!![cool]

[Villains]

Originally posted by DLSJ5
D,

I will most likely come down and hang with you guys and make sure you're installing it right. [:D] Actually David is superb, no on else has done better work on my car. I think you'll hit 250HP w/ the testpipe. I know the E05 hit 235HP and a whopping 275TQ on a dyno w/out the testpipe. We know the TP adds a solid 15HP, from mine and Ellie's dyno's. [cool]

I'm going with APR's Stage 3, they say they're waiting on one part from Garret and it's a go. See you Saturday bro, and congrats!!![cool]

Sounds good man; I'll see you on Saturday. I can't wait for your APR kit. I know their hardware is going to be better then ATP or PES. They didn't have the chip thing worked out for my car but I think this kit will be great. Then we can race! [:p]

[neoprufrok]

Originally posted by DLSJ5
D,

I will most likely come down and hang with you guys and make sure you're installing it right. [:D] Actually David is superb, no on else has done better work on my car. I think you'll hit 250HP w/ the testpipe. I know the E05 hit 235HP and a whopping 275TQ on a dyno w/out the testpipe. We know the TP adds a solid 15HP, from mine and Ellie's dyno's. [cool]

I'm going with APR's Stage 3, they say they're waiting on one part from Garret and it's a go. See you Saturday bro, and congrats!!![cool]

Great news! Any word on the price?

(sorry for the minor threadjack Derrick) [:D]

[Villains]

Originally posted by neoprufrok
(sorry for the minor threadjack Derrick) [:D]

No worries! Anything that has to do with a B6 and is technical, I am all for it! I am just tired of all the 'hey here is ANOTHER pic of my car' threads. So much useless stuff on here recently! That is the crap I dislike. I think AZ should make the B5, B6, TT (model) forums for the technical stuff and make all these useless, look at my car threads be posted in the general forums or make new forums for them.

[DLSJ5]

Originally posted by neoprufrok
Great news! Any word on the price?

(sorry for the minor threadjack Derrick) [:D]

Hey Neo,

Should be in the $4500-4700 range. Somewhat pricey I know, but you get everything you need. You will retain the stock airbox a special 3" MAF will be used with it. You also keep all of your smog lines and the N75 valve, the kit comes with a Hi Flo Cat as well. The car will make over 300HP easy. Even with the price, you're still way under the high cost of an S4 or M3 and It will be faster than both of those cars, so it's well worth the money, IMHO.[cool]

[zemun2]

Originally posted by Villains
No worries! Anything that has to do with a B6 and is technical, I am all for it! I am just tired of all the 'hey here is ANOTHER pic of my car' threads. So much useless stuff on here recently! That is the crap I dislike. I think AZ should make the B5, B6, TT (model) forums for the technical stuff and make all these useless, look at my car threads be posted in the general forums or make new forums for them.
I back you on this one.

[Villains]

Originally posted by zemun2
I back you on this one.

Let Anthony know:

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12876

If you guys, agree post on that thread.

[Vanimaniac]

Whatever kit I go for I want it with Revo so I hope your story is a good one with the E05. Villains, is your car Revo with stock turbo now? I hope so, so that you can fill us in on how much faster the E05 is. To me my car is fast with just Revo. I would love for it to be a lot faster though. I'll be checking this thread all weekend.

Van

[A4NCAR]

Originally posted by DLSJ5
D,

I will most likely come down and hang with you guys and make sure you're installing it right. [:D] Actually David is superb, no on else has done better work on my car. I think you'll hit 250HP w/ the testpipe. I know the E05 hit 235HP and a whopping 275TQ on a dyno w/out the testpipe. We know the TP adds a solid 15HP, from mine and Ellie's dyno's. [cool]

I'm going with APR's Stage 3, they say they're waiting on one part from Garret and it's a go. See you Saturday bro, and congrats!!![cool]


275 lb/ft torque with 235 HP! Are you serious? The MTM Stage 3 only produces 255 lb/ft @ 3200 RPM with 250 HP. My Stage 2 produces (claims) 245 lb/ft torque with 215 HP. Most of the numbers that I have seen from other chips, don't produce the torque that MTM does.

And so it's APR Stage 3 now, eh? Finally made a choice. Did you get your $$$ back yet?

[Villains]

Originally posted by Vanimaniac
Whatever kit I go for I want it with Revo so I hope your story is a good one with the E05. Villains, is your car Revo with stock turbo now? I hope so, so that you can fill us in on how much faster the E05 is. To me my car is fast with just Revo. I would love for it to be a lot faster though. I'll be checking this thread all weekend.

Van

Van,

I do have a Revo chip right now and I love it too. My current mods are as follows:

K&N drop-in filter
Forge 007 DV
Greedspeed dual side mount intercoolers
Revo chip
Milltek exhaust with downpipe

On Saturday, David will install the following:

Revo E05 file
E05 turbo
TT225 Injectors
EuroCode test pipe

Then probably next week when we have more time, we will install the NOS nitrous kit. Then hopefully we can get the car over to AMS and strap her to the dyno to see what she can do. I also plan to get her over to the drag strip with a few of my Mustang friends and see what the dyno numbers translate to. Again, I will keep you all informed.

PS. You guys can all call me Derrick. Villains is just the name of the Mustang crew I used to race with.

[Avant Mat]

Villains,

TT225 injectors should 380cc, right ?? If you are just looking for 250HP, why go for such big injectors ?? Believe 310cc should be fine as this is what Revo Mitch told me. Meanwhile, they should have the 310 cc fuel map readied for you as this is what he custom made for me while he was here.

My friend's K04 Revo + 310cc injectors can produce 260HP as per Revo Mitch so long as he can maintain the air intake temperature at 40C or else, pull out boost problem may occurred. 10C higher = 10% boost reduction.

[DLSJ5]

Originally posted by A4NCAR
275 lb/ft torque with 235 HP! Are you serious? The MTM Stage 3 only produces 255 lb/ft @ 3200 RPM with 250 HP. My Stage 2 produces (claims) 245 lb/ft torque with 215 HP. Most of the numbers that I have seen from other chips, don't produce the torque that MTM does.

And so it's APR Stage 3 now, eh? Finally made a choice. Did you get your $$$ back yet?


Darryl,

At least MTM is giving out honest numbers, nothing like the 270HP on a K04 that I've been told by a few tuners who will remain nameless. The E05 is actually a great turbo, there's only one bad story I've heard and it's because the guy raised the boost to 2 bar!!! He's lucky his engine didn't go kaboom.

The $, yes finally got it back.[:)] from the loan company, it was in dispute, even after all that time PES still tried to get out of it. Thank you very much American General financing, good people. I may buy my house through them now.[:)] Awesome company.

Yeah I'm going with the APR GT28RS Stage 3, APR's hardware is emmaculate, IMHO, and they're setup is pretty much bolt on, keep the stock box and my DIY 3" ram intake [:p] , the stock N75 valve, MAF, etc. I've been advised by someone I trust very much to wait for APR's kit. With David's research we can have faith that our motors can take the power. I've been in contact w/ APR, things are looking good for July. Crossing my fingers. [:D] Any word on MTM Stage 4 yet?[:p]

[A4NCAR]

Originally posted by DLSJ5
Darryl,

At least MTM is giving out honest numbers, nothing like the 270HP on a K04 that I've been told by a few tuners who will remain nameless. The E05 is actually a great turbo, there's only one bad story I've heard and it's because the guy raised the boost to 2 bar!!! He's lucky his engine didn't go kaboom.

The $, yes finally got it back.[:)] from the loan company, it was in dispute, even after all that time PES still tried to get out of it. Thank you very much American General financing, good people. I may buy my house through them now.[:)] Awesome company.

Yeah I'm going with the APR GT28RS Stage 3, APR's hardware is emmaculate, IMHO, and they're setup is pretty much bolt on, keep the stock box and my DIY 3" ram intake [:p] , the stock N75 valve, MAF, etc. I've been advised by someone I trust very much to wait for APR's kit. With David's research we can have faith that our motors can take the power. I've been in contact w/ APR, things are looking good for July. Crossing my fingers. [:D] Any word on MTM Stage 4 yet?[:p]


Oh, you mean Oettinger [;)]

Woo hoo! I'm so glad to hear you have your refund. It's about *bleepin* time. PES is bad for putting you through that... mkay.

So maybe July for the APR Stage 3 eh? That's great news. You'll finally be in the 300hp ring. Congrats you lucky bastard. [:p] No word on Stage 4 yet. I couldn't afford it right now anyways [:(] I still need to get my new set of HRE's ordered, sort out the Stage 2 issues and finish the body kit conversion. I need a CC or a loan [:D]

[DLSJ5]

Originally posted by A4NCAR
Oh, you mean Oettinger [;)]

Woo hoo! I'm so glad to hear you have your refund. It's about *bleepin* time. PES is bad for putting you through that... mkay.

So maybe July for the APR Stage 3 eh? That's great news. You'll finally be in the 300hp ring. Congrats you lucky bastard. [:p] No word on Stage 4 yet. I couldn't afford it right now anyways [:(] I still need to get my new set of HRE's ordered, sort out the Stage 2 issues and finish the body kit conversion. I need a CC or a loan [:D]

Thanks Bro,

I'd recommend American General Financing for that loan. [;)]

[Avant Mat]

Don't know much about MTM and not sure whether their figure is accurate or not. I spoke to my local Revo dealer who is also the Revo office in the Far East Asia Region. Upon Mitch of Revo got back from Japan, they signed 11 dealers all over Japan as the Japanese market is getting hot for Audi.

When I spoke to Mitch, they are very precise about the tunning in different countries. They are hiring more people in their company to travel around the world visit our local dealer, obtain data from each car's ECU to develop the software to suit the country's demand such as weather condition which affect the performance of its software seriously. As per Mitch, the software in west coast of US is similar to the software they use in PRC, China Audi. They call it code A even for the same ECU number, the code (software) they use in Hong Kong is close to what they are using in UK. As such, East coast and west coast are using different software running with different ignition and timming.

As Mitch visited Japan, he was amazed with Japanese's fuel quality as all gas station sell 100 Ron fuel and whilst, most countries only sell 98 Ron. As a result, their car is running more rich and able to achieve to timming 7-8 without pull back boost. This is how the fuel quality affect the performance of our car.

[Saturnine]

91 craptane is the crappiest gas ever[mad]

[Villains]

Originally posted by Avant Mat
Villains,

TT225 injectors should 380cc, right ?? If you are just looking for 250HP, why go for such big injectors ?? Believe 310cc should be fine as this is what Revo Mitch told me. Meanwhile, they should have the 310 cc fuel map readied for you as this is what he custom made for me while he was here.

My friend's K04 Revo + 310cc injectors can produce 260HP as per Revo Mitch so long as he can maintain the air intake temperature at 40C or else, pull out boost problem may occurred. 10C higher = 10% boost reduction.

The injectors for the TT have a different spray pattern that helps against detonation; plus they are the correct impedance (in other words they match our ECU). Also, Audi recommends them for anything above 225 HP; hence they are on the TT225. Also, since I will be running nitrous, having room to spare on the injectors is always a good idea.

[Misano]

I hope everthing works out
There was a guy is socal with a E05 kit for his 02 A4 with REVO software purchased from Eurocode and it did not run right and he had a -25% fuel trim adaptation. He was also told that ping was quite normal and he should expect check engine lights. He eventually gave up on the REVO and Dave at Eurocode and purchased the Neuspeed software that Eric from Supreme was running an the car run fine no more check engine light no more -25% fuel trim adaptation and no mor pining

[Villains]

Originally posted by Misano
I hope everthing works out
There was a guy is socal with a E05 kit for his 02 A4 with REVO software purchased from Eurocode and it did not run right and he had a -25% fuel trim adaptation. He was also told that ping was quite normal and he should expect check engine lights. He eventually gave up on the REVO and Dave at Eurocode and purchased the Neuspeed software that Eric from Supreme was running an the car run fine no more check engine light no more -25% fuel trim adaptation and no mor pining

That is not actually true. He went back to David and had his issues fixed. In fact, he promised to go back on the forums and set the story straight, but he hasn't done that yet. He really embellished the story and tried to make David look bad, but the problems were not David's fault.

[Misano]

This guy went back to Eurocode a few times to get it fixed and never bad mouth or mentioned his problems he just accepted that is the way it was because that was what he was told , then he talked to Eric at SPP and found out how well his car ran and that he had no problems , You are right he did get the problem fixed when he purchased the same Neuspeed software Eric from SPP was running on his car

[Villains]

Originally posted by Misano
This guy went back to Eurocode a few times to get it fixed and never bad mouth or mentioned his problems he just accepted that is the way it was because that was what he was told , then he talked to Eric at SPP and found out how well his car ran and that he had no problems , You are right he did get the problem fixed when he purchased the same Neuspeed software Eric from SPP was running on his car

That is not what I have heard. Anyway, David never told anyone that detonation is okay and that it is to be expected. Either way, I have seen a lot of successful installs of the E05 and I am not worried.

[DLSJ5]

Originally posted by Misano
This guy went back to Eurocode a few times to get it fixed and never bad mouth or mentioned his problems he just accepted that is the way it was because that was what he was told , then he talked to Eric at SPP and found out how well his car ran and that he had no problems , You are right he did get the problem fixed when he purchased the same Neuspeed software Eric from SPP was running on his car


Misano,

As you know, not every kit is problem free, but your story is from some guy, so if you don't know his name how do you know exactly what happened? Did you personally talk to him? Right off I can't buy the guy's story because David would never tell someone Pinging is normal. Now pinging happens alot on our cars, sometimes it's silent and you can't hear it, maybe the guy misunderstood? My NS software pinged, but it was fixable. Actually your story has a positive side, the E05 eventually ran right. I'd like to see the two files on a dyno. Either way It's good to hear the guy got it running right. How's your SK04 running?

[Silence]

Misano (Anthony),


Sorry, but your story seems to have BS written all over it. CEL lights and pinging are normal? You're kidding right? On top of that, I spoke with an '02 owner with the Eurocode e-05 kit at Dubwars. He loves his kit and mentioned no issues with it. I would think you would be a little more cautious posting about other tuner shops, especially second hand, being you own a shop and all.....

[Saturnine]

http://www.illlogic.net/images/owned.gif

[Villains]

Originally posted by Saturnine
http://www.illlogic.net/images/owned.gif

John, you are the man when it comes to the OWN3D posts! [:D] In fact, it is not official until you post!

[Saturnine]

Hhaha.. i dunno about that [:D]

[madrussian]

Originally posted by Saturnine
http://www.illlogic.net/images/owned.gif


Awwwww. that's cute mang... [:D]

[Misano]

I wish it was BS. I sell REVO and it just gives the product a bad name when people are told things like this.
This was not second hand information as far as hearing it from somebody other than the customer. It is what the customer told me and 2 other people, and if he made that up I would not have known.
When the car arrived I checked it with the vag com and it showed a -25% fuel trim adaptation and misfire faults. I installed the Neuspeed software per the customers request and it has been fine ever since. If they have updated or changed the software with in the past couple of months i would not know, this was about 2 months ago

As for the K04 Sport it runs great
An update 02 Ming Blue Quattro Avant with the K04 Sport it had a large intake manifold leak casuing the car to misfire and the perfomance not to be right

[Villains]

Originally posted by Misano
I wish it was BS. I sell REVO and it just gives the product a bad name when people are told things like this.
This was not second hand information as far as hearing it from somebody other than the customer. It is what the customer told me and 2 other people, and if he made that up I would not have known.
When the car arrived I checked it with the vag com and it showed a -25% fuel trim adaptation and misfire faults. I installed the Neuspeed software per the customers request and it has been fine ever since. If they have updated or changed the software with in the past couple of months i would not know, this was about 2 months ago

As for the K04 Sport it runs great
An update 02 Ming Blue Quattro Avant with the K04 Sport it had a large intake manifold leak casuing the car to misfire and the perfomance not to be right

Anthony,

Your SK04 is running great? That is good news. Have you had a chance to get it dyno'd? If so how much did it put out and what type of dyno was it on? I was so tempted to get an SK04 from you but, I have seen and heard nothing but bad things. I know two guys that both had custom tunes done by Nuespeed to correct their problems. One of them still only made 170 WHP and the other isn't done yet. Personally, if Nuespeed gave me back my car after custom tuning it and it still only made 170 WHP, I would make them give me my money back and pay for the install.

[Misano]

One of the cars is the Ming blue Avant had defective coil packs and leak in the intake manifold they did not due any custom tuning on the software , they we just trying to determine what the problem was and it not software related they replace the hose and now the car runs great.
As for the 170WHP I saw the dyno it was 190WHP, the car still had a good amount of timing retard and would really benefit from an intercooler upgrade

[Villains]

Originally posted by Misano
One of the cars is the Ming blue Avant had defective coil packs and leak in the intake manifold they did not due any custom tuning on the software , they we just trying to determine what the problem was and it not software related they replace the hose and now the car runs great.
As for the 170WHP I saw the dyno it was 190WHP, the car still had a good amount of timing retard and would really benefit from an intercooler upgrade

If they did a custom tune, then why did they leave so much timing retard? Their claims were 216 WHP with just a cat-back exhaust. They never said anything about an intercooler. Plus, the dyno is only 170, Dejan has it listed in his signature. Look in this thread, you will find it.

[neoprufrok]

Originally posted by Villains
If they did a custom tune, then why did they leave so much timing retard? Their claims were 216 WHP with just a cat-back exhaust. They never said anything about an intercooler. Plus, the dyno is only 170, Dejan has it listed in his signature. Look in this thread, you will find it.

I agree with you Derrick. If it is advertised at 270hp at the flywheel, then it better be delivering that without the need to add other stuff. If the 270hp was arrived at with the addition of intercoolers and other add-ons, then this needs to be known.

170whp would have pissed me off to no end.

It just seems wierd that Neuspeed would let this happen.

[Misano]

Neupeed has never claimed the kit was 270HP

here is what there sit says

"On the longitudinal engines, our most recent testing took place on a 2003 Audi A4 Quattro fitted with a NEUSPEED cat-back exhaust system, but otherwise stock. With the SuperK04 kit in place, this car had a peak HP of 216.1 at the wheels at 5200 rpm, and peak torque of 232.3 ft-lbs at 4400 rpm. As a comparison, a stock 2004 1.8T Quattro had a peak HP of 125.5 hp at the wheels at 6335 rpm. A Dynamic Test Systems all-wheel-drive chassis dyno was used for both these tests."


Allot of people made the assumption of the 270HP number based drive train losses

The car was not even dynoed by Neuspeed it was done independently . I

I have seen 1.8t 02-04 stock put out HP numbers from 110-149 WHP in stock form some car just put out more HP than other

I recently dynoed a 04 1.8t and it put out 125 WHP today we dynoed another 04 1.8t it dynoed out a 144 WHP
If your car stock had 145WHP and it was brought up to 216WHP this would be acceptable if your car had 125WHP and it was brought up to 190WHP this would not be acceptable even though the both received roughly the same 70HP gain

[Villains]

Originally posted by Misano
Neupeed has never claimed the kit was 270HP

You're right, they claimed 216 at the wheels like I first stated. Notice I never said that they claimed 270 HP to the crank although I did read some where, where they claimed the 216 at the wheels and then said that it translates to 270 CHP. Either way, 170 WHP is not acceptable. Not in any way shape or form, especially when you are getting beaten by cars with stock K03s and chips.

[Villains]

Anthony,

I've got a really good idea that I think will help a lot of people out with their decisions on which turbo to get. I am having the E05 installed tomorrow (Saturday). Why don't you and I go to AMS, strap both cars to the dyno, connect a VAG tool to them and see what each one does? This way, we will all know which kit makes what kind of power, plus we will know if there is any detonation in either one. I will pay for your dyno session, so all we need is your time. Then we will post the results here, no matter what. If my car detonates, I will post here without a doubt. I am not selling either kit, so it won't make any difference to me. I think a lot of your customers would love to see this kind of comparison.

With the MAHA dyno, we get both wheel and crank HP numbers so it won't matter that my car is Quattro and yours is FWD.

What do you say?

By the way, I cleared this with David (Euro Code) and he has no problem making this comparison, in fact he is the one who will pay for the dyno session.

[neoprufrok]

Originally posted by Misano
Neupeed has never claimed the kit was 270HP

here is what there sit says

"On the longitudinal engines, our most recent testing took place on a 2003 Audi A4 Quattro fitted with a NEUSPEED cat-back exhaust system, but otherwise stock. With the SuperK04 kit in place, this car had a peak HP of 216.1 at the wheels at 5200 rpm, and peak torque of 232.3 ft-lbs at 4400 rpm. As a comparison, a stock 2004 1.8T Quattro had a peak HP of 125.5 hp at the wheels at 6335 rpm. A Dynamic Test Systems all-wheel-drive chassis dyno was used for both these tests."


Allot of people made the assumption of the 270HP number based drive train losses

The car was not even dynoed by Neuspeed it was done independently . I

I have seen 1.8t 02-04 stock put out HP numbers from 110-149 WHP in stock form some car just put out more HP than other

I recently dynoed a 04 1.8t and it put out 125 WHP today we dynoed another 04 1.8t it dynoed out a 144 WHP
If your car stock had 145WHP and it was brought up to 216WHP this would be acceptable if your car had 125WHP and it was brought up to 190WHP this would not be acceptable even though the both received roughly the same 70HP gain

Agreed. They didn't advertise that, but I, as many others have, assumed a 25% drivetrain loss. It's a guesstimate, but its better than nothing.

But that's a technicality, and the whole point of Derrick's argument is that they don't even hit the whp they are advertising.

Until I see that, so far, I'm not inclined to purchase a kit.

I'd like to be proven wrong though.

[zemun2]

I'm hitting 170WHP on FWD with SK04, and that's aprox. what chip should give you

[zemun2]

This is what neuspeed claims.

Max horsepower at the wheels: 216.1 @ 5136rpm (approx. 255hp at the flywheel)
Max torque at the wheels: 232.3 @ 4400rpm. (Tested with a NEUSPEED cat-back exhaust.)

Source:
SUPER K04 TURBO KIT (http://www.neuspeed.com/products/product_details.asp?app=11|AF&type=11&ltype=ns_euro&p_id=1814)

[Vanimaniac]

Originally posted by Villains
Anthony,

I've got a really good idea that I think will help a lot of people out with their decisions on which turbo to get. I am having the E05 installed tomorrow (Saturday). Why don't you and I go to AMS, strap both cars to the dyno, connect a VAG tool to them and see what each one does? This way, we will all know which kit makes what kind of power, plus we will know if there is any detonation in either one. I will pay for your dyno session, so all we need is your time. Then we will post the results here, no matter what. If my car detonates, I will post here without a doubt. I am not selling either kit, so it won't make any difference to me. I think a lot of your customers would love to see this kind of comparison.

With the MAHA dyno, we get both wheel and crank HP numbers so it won't matter that my car is Quattro and yours is FWD.

What do you say?

By the way, I cleared this with David (Euro Code) and he has no problem making this comparison, in fact he is the one who will pay for the dyno session.

This is a great idea. We all would like to see this! I actually hope that both kits come out winners.

Van "I don't wish low horsepower on anyone except my autocrossing competitors" Townsend

[Villains]

Originally posted by zemun2
This is what neuspeed claims.

Max horsepower at the wheels: 216.1 @ 5136rpm (approx. 255hp at the flywheel)
Max torque at the wheels: 232.3 @ 4400rpm. (Tested with a NEUSPEED cat-back exhaust.)

Source:
SUPER K04 TURBO KIT (http://www.neuspeed.com/products/product_details.asp?app=11|AF&type=11&ltype=ns_euro&p_id=1814)

Hell, even Anthony's Website (http://www.greedspeed.com/products/prod_details.aspx?prod_id=2073&app=14&app_desc=2002-2004%20Audi%20A4%20Quattro%20B6%201.8t&cat=11) claims the same thing. That is with a Quattro as well; since Dejan's car is FWD, he is making even less then I thought at the crank.

[zemun2]

Originally posted by Misano
One of the cars is the Ming blue Avant had defective coil packs and leak in the intake manifold they did not due any custom tuning on the software , they we just trying to determine what the problem was and it not software related they replace the hose and now the car runs great.
As for the 170WHP I saw the dyno it was 190WHP, the car still had a good amount of timing retard and would really benefit from an intercooler upgrade
I dont know if intentionaly or not but you forgot to mention that 190 WHP was on 100 octane gas and 170 WHP on 91 octane.
I'm the owner of the car and beleive me the car only makes 170 WHP on pump gas.

[Silence]

What I want to know is why Anthony hides behind an alternate name, until he is discovered, then come out of the woodworks. ALso, earlier in his posts, he said SPP sold him the software, then mentions he installed and and was the one that daignosed it. What gives? Seems kind of shady to bash other tuners, all the while hiding behind a handle other than one that represents your company. That's just if you ask me..

[Villains]

Well, I'm off to EuroCode to get the E05 installed. Full reports when I get.

[neoprufrok]

Originally posted by Villains
Well, I off to EuroCode to get the E05 installed. Full reports when I get.

Good luck Derrick! Hope to hear good news.

[G_A4]

let us know how it turns out... good luck. [:D]

[Misano]

Originally posted by Silence
What I want to know is why Anthony hides behind an alternate name, until he is discovered, then come out of the woodworks. ALso, earlier in his posts, he said SPP sold him the software, then mentions he installed and and was the one that daignosed it. What gives? Seems kind of shady to bash other tuners, all the while hiding behind a handle other than one that represents your company. That's just if you ask me..

The earlier post reads " He eventually gave up on the REVO and Dave at Eurocode and purchased the Neuspeed software that Eric from Supreme was running an the car"

I am not hiding behind alias , I was told by Audizine that only paid advertisers are allowed to post using company names. MY IP is logged evertime I post

I apologize if this has caused any problems, I will gladly change my user name as long a the Audize moderators ok the change

[zemun2]

Hey Misano
How about my kit making 190 WHP?

[Misano]

I was there one day when your car was on the dyno i saw it put out 185, 187 and 190 WHP . I came up with a 2004 FWD to have it dynoed as a comparison it put out 119, 122 and 124 WHP

[zemun2]

Thats true but it was running 100 octane

[zemun2]

Even if I was doing 119 WHP the increase is only 50 WHP instead 85 advertised.
Don’t get me wrong NS customer service is second to none, especially Greg's, but they prematurely released kit for '04.

[Misano]

I have installed them on 2 2004 's and have not had any problems with them

[zemun2]

I dont know if you noticed but NS doesnt sell them to '04 any more.

[zemun2]

What kinda numbers are those two getting?

[Misano]

Neither have had them dynoed , they have been nothing but happy with the results

[A4 - Oh Snap]

Being happy with what you have is one thing and getting what you paid for is another. When I got my A4 a month ago, I had high hopes that I would be able to get a turbo upgrade kit to essentially boost power to somewhere near 250 at the crank. Neuspeed as going to be my choice. Money is not an issue.

Now, after seeing other members vent their disappointment, it is clear that we were misrepresented by NS advertising.

At this point in time, the butt dyno means nothing. Show us some dyno sheets of the NS kit installed on 2004.5 models running on California 91 octane gas. If these kits don't produce the power advertised because of "software issues," then you should tell your retailers to note that in their advertising before consumers drop $2500+ on something that they are going to end up unhappy with.


Originally posted by Misano
Neither have had them dynoed , they have been nothing but happy with the results

[A4 - Oh Snap]

I just saw this quote on Neuspeed's website. Was this recently added?

"Currently available for throttle-by-wire vehicles only through 2003. Please contact a NEUSPEED representative if you are unsure of your engine type."



Originally posted by zemun2
This is what neuspeed claims.

Max horsepower at the wheels: 216.1 @ 5136rpm (approx. 255hp at the flywheel)
Max torque at the wheels: 232.3 @ 4400rpm. (Tested with a NEUSPEED cat-back exhaust.)

Source:
SUPER K04 TURBO KIT (http://www.neuspeed.com/products/product_details.asp?app=11|AF&type=11&ltype=ns_euro&p_id=1814)

[zemun2]

Originally posted by A4 - Oh Snap
I just saw this quote on Neuspeed's website. Was this recently added?

"Currently available for throttle-by-wire vehicles only through 2003. Please contact a NEUSPEED representative if you are unsure of your engine type."
That was added after my problem surfaced, aprox. some 2 weeks ago.

[zemun2]

Originally posted by Villains
Well, I off to EuroCode to get the E05 installed. Full reports when I get.
I Hope everything turned out OK.
Let us know.

D,

[Villains]

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